@kcarnes9051 Yes, people who go to a a sequel to something want to see the characters from the first one. You got me. That had never happened before in human history and it clearly means that I don’t understand tribalism, and that I am incapable of grasping the concept of empathy. What a sick burn.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I am going to watch the new Star Wars. It is about people working in a bank!
Did I say tribalism had nothing to do with the themes of the game? No, I did not. I said that tribalism on my part has nothing to do with my reaction to the game. Since I don’t have a strong enough preference for Ellie for that to be the case. Because that would be silly.
Of course tribalism is a theme in the game. Duh.
Your reading comprehension needs a great deal of work if you intend to keep telling everyone else they don’t understand things.
I know I said I was done, but your last paragraph is ridiculous. This isn’t a team Ellie vs. team Abby thing. It is a narrative thing. And even if it was, tribalism is the wrong word to describe it. I’m not sitting here surrounded by TLOU merch while throwing at a dart board with a picture of Abby’s face on it. I truly don’t care that much.
If I have a slight preference for Ellie, it is probably because I want to see characters from TLOU in a sequel to TLOU. Which, I mean, duh. But if Abby’s story were first, would I have been happy replaying the same time period and encountering the same characters as Ellie over and over because Naughty Dog wasn’t sure that I realized that the characters on the other side were also people with their own perspective and worthy of empathy? No.
The reasons this landed for you are not complicated. The reasons it didn’t quite land the same for me: also not complicated. Tribalism, as you describe it, has zero to do with anything.
1.The first two paragraphs of this post are strange in the context of the rest of your argument. You argue that every second with Abby is vital. But then you argue that the rest of the stuff the developers put into the game is “minutiae” that can or should be skipped. Just because the parts with Abby are important to you and some of the rest of the exploration isn’t doesn’t mean it is irrelevant to players.
You said the game is relatively short. If people fully explore what Naughty Dog put there, that is not correct.
2. Your responses to my post skip right past what I am actually saying to what fits your view of the game. You say things like I want to make Abby’s story a “pittance”, which is not what I wrote. I think the game would have been just as powerful without going through all of the same scenes again from another perspective. You think they needed every one of those moments. I don’t. That is fine.
3. I can’t believe I am arguing this much over a game I really like, and I am going to stop doing it. You clearly feel strongly that this was the only way Naughty Dog could have told this story, and that all of the people who don’t feel that way are wrong. Which: More power to you. I am glad the story spoke to you. It is a really good game.
Sure, if you blaze through the main story. If you do side quests and exploration the game is closer to 40 hours than 25.
But more importantly: your novels about this all make the assumption that we can’t understand what the game was trying to do. We do. The intent and themes of this game were not hard to figure out. A lot of people, me included, don’t think it was executed as well as it could be. The fact that a lot of people feel that was doesn’t make us right, but you shouldn’t assume that it means we don’t get it.
What you call exhausting, I call redundant and repetitive when the themes were already hammered in. If you feel differently, great. Glad you enjoyed it. But what this game was trying to say was not a mysterious puzzle, and the fact that I didn’t need to hear it for the 4th or 5th time by the time they finally slogged through the final confrontation doesn’t mean I didn’t understand it. Quite the opposite, actually.
@kcarnes9051 Your position is very well articulated, and I agree that is exactly what TLOU 2 was doing. I will even agree that the idea itself is kind of genius for a game story and theme.
My problem is not TLOU 2’s theme or structure, but that it went on too long. What Naughty Dog was saying about the cycle of violence and the corrosive nature of revenge was obvious well before the game was over. They could have done half of the Abby section and still made their point. But they did not trust the player to get it, and as a result the game dragged as they pushed the same theme over and over.
Again, this is mainly nitpicking; TLOU 2 is a really good game. But it needed an editor in a way the first game did not. YMMV of course.
The Last of Us is perhaps my favorite video game story of all time. Every minute was riveting from the wrenching start to the perfect ending.
Part 2 has so many good things about it-but it also has a very real pacing problem. The game dragged way too long, and the message about the cycle of violence and the cost of revenge was not delivered with much nuance or subtlety.
Part II is a very good game. I am glad I played it. Part I is an all time great game (especially when paired with the fantastic Left Behind DLC).
Your Mileage may vary of course, but to me Part I is much better and it isn’t particularly close.
A game with a great combat system can make up for a lot of other flaws (Exhibit A: Kingdoms of Amalur). This sounds like it could be super fun to play.
This week I started Red Dead Redemption 2. It is wonderful. I don’t know what the heck I was waiting for. I will be spending as much of the weekend as I can living the outlaw (with a heart of gold) life.
Get well soon Mr. Tailby. Glad you are feeling better-Covid is no joke. Stay safe everyone.
I finished the story campaign for Avengers last night and I am done. Combat was kinda fun for a bit and the protagonist is delightful, but overall it is one of the more aggressively mediocre games I have played. No desire to keep at the grind of the other content.
Today I plan to start Death’s Door. Heard good things, really excited!
I still want to finish the rest of the Yakuza series before jumping in to Like a Dragon (and I am only on 4!). But eventually I will be ready. Great month!
@trev666 This is the correct answer. An ending to fit all the consequential choices made over three games was never a realistic possibility. I love that trilogy, and I feel bad for gamers who let the ending get in the way of the fantastic hundred hours that came before. Because twenty comprehensive endings were never in the cards, and the ones we got were fine space opera endings.
TLOU is one of the best games of all time. I have finished it and Left Behind multiple times. For me that is a big rarity, as usually I squeeze all I want out of a game and then drop it forever. I adore the game.
But I see no reason to play the remake when the remaster exists. And I would rather Naughty Dog focus on a new IP then continue to recycle this adventure every few years.
I was a little confused. You command your squad like in Guardians of the Galaxy? But "death is permanent" so-your squad can die. Does that mean there is also an Xcom like element of building your squad?
Like others, I would much prefer a horror game set in this universe rather than another shooter.......
I am not generally interested in these, but I can’t wait to watch TLOU with my wife. She is not a gamer, so this is a chance for her to experience the fantastic story.
I am a fan of the PlayStation brand because of the excellent single player experiences. I am simply not interested in live service games. If PS wants to go that way, it is just fine. I own other consoles, my backlog and games I want to get around to buying could fill a lifetime, and plenty of people enjoy them. But Sony won’t get nearly as much investment from me if this is the route they go.
Someday, when my grandchildren ask me what I was doing on May 12, 2022, I am going to tell them about this PS5 update. How it changed gaming. How it changed me.
I am not a trophy hunter by any means-I have 16 Plats., and I have been gaming extensively for much longer than trophies have been a thing. I play a game until I am done with it, and if I have a Platinum it means I either got it by accident just playing or there was only a trophy or two left when I finished the game.
That said, I do enjoy trophies a lot. They are a good diary for what you did in a game to look back on later. Sometimes they encourage me to try things in a game I did not think of. And sometimes they cause a funny moment-I am not going to spoil it, but I recently did something in the Ascent that I have done in every video game possible for years and an achievement finally popped for it. I could not stop laughing.
What I absolutely do not care about is my trophy ranking or anything like that. Perfectly fine if other folks do, but that is not why I game. So these easy Platinum trophies are fine with me if people enjoy them (I am certainly not deleting my Telltale game plats!), but they are not for me. I play games to have fun, and would still play them without trophies or achievements. Those are just a cool side benefit that adds a little extra to the game for me.
There is so much I like about Weird West-story, atmosphere etc. But I just hate the camera and controls. Aiming is ridiculous on console. I want to love this game, but I don’t.
I finished the Ascent last night, which was good mindless fun. It ends with a boss fight that is terribly designed, but overall it was a good time-and a great looking game as well.
I just want to say: I have fallen asleep during some pretty great games! I have a full time job and a family, and my gaming time is pretty much limited to when the family goes to sleep. I have fallen asleep with controller in hand so many times when I should have just given up and gone to bed instead of trying to play. Thank goodness for the automatic rest mode feature!
That said, I am very sure this game is terrible. I have heard of no one who enjoyed it. This game was on my wish list, and now no longer is.
I am playing Horizon, which is great so far. Thank you Guerrilla Games!
I took Friday off to play, something I had not done since Arkham City released in 2015. I was so excited-booted it up-played 10 minutes-and then my wife told me that she and our youngest son tested positive for COVID. So, I didn’t get far, and it was a tough day. But I managed to play some last night in between bringing soup and juice to people, and the family is recovering very well-everyone has as many shots as they are eligible for, and symptoms are pretty mild-everyone is going to be fine, just feeling lousy.
So I don’t know how much more I will actually play this weekend, but can’t wait to get back to it. Game looks amazing and feels great to play. Looks like another home run.
@TheCollector316 It is Nightwar with more character/story development and a further refined combat system. It is in the LL universe, but you need to know nothing about it to play. You are in for a treat!
Doesn’t seem like a great sale, but I want to take this opportunity to say that Ruined King is fantastic. If you liked Battle Chasers: Nightwar (also awesome) or just like turn based combat, you should play this. It is Battle Chasers, but with everything refined and even better.
I am playing Spiritfarer. I have not been this charmed by a game in a long time.
Me and my youngest son played together for a few hours just this morning, building up our boat and helping our friends. The game can be sad, but it is also delightful.
@Sorteddan I really enjoyed Children of Morta, and I think more people should play it. Everyone praises Hades for adding narrative elements/story progression to rogue like (and it deserves it!), but Morta does the same thing very well and no one talks about it.
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Re: Video: Here's Why The Last of Us: Part 2 Is Better Than Part 1, But It's Nothing Without It
@kcarnes9051 Yes, people who go to a a sequel to something want to see the characters from the first one. You got me. That had never happened before in human history and it clearly means that I don’t understand tribalism, and that I am incapable of grasping the concept of empathy. What a sick burn.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I am going to watch the new Star Wars. It is about people working in a bank!
Re: Video: Here's Why The Last of Us: Part 2 Is Better Than Part 1, But It's Nothing Without It
@kcarnes9051
Did I say tribalism had nothing to do with the themes of the game? No, I did not. I said that tribalism on my part has nothing to do with my reaction to the game. Since I don’t have a strong enough preference for Ellie for that to be the case. Because that would be silly.
Of course tribalism is a theme in the game. Duh.
Your reading comprehension needs a great deal of work if you intend to keep telling everyone else they don’t understand things.
Re: Video: Here's Why The Last of Us: Part 2 Is Better Than Part 1, But It's Nothing Without It
I know I said I was done, but your last paragraph is ridiculous. This isn’t a team Ellie vs. team Abby thing. It is a narrative thing. And even if it was, tribalism is the wrong word to describe it. I’m not sitting here surrounded by TLOU merch while throwing at a dart board with a picture of Abby’s face on it. I truly don’t care that much.
If I have a slight preference for Ellie, it is probably because I want to see characters from TLOU in a sequel to TLOU. Which, I mean, duh. But if Abby’s story were first, would I have been happy replaying the same time period and encountering the same characters as Ellie over and over because Naughty Dog wasn’t sure that I realized that the characters on the other side were also people with their own perspective and worthy of empathy? No.
The reasons this landed for you are not complicated. The reasons it didn’t quite land the same for me: also not complicated. Tribalism, as you describe it, has zero to do with anything.
Re: Video: Here's Why The Last of Us: Part 2 Is Better Than Part 1, But It's Nothing Without It
@kcarnes9051
1.The first two paragraphs of this post are strange in the context of the rest of your argument. You argue that every second with Abby is vital. But then you argue that the rest of the stuff the developers put into the game is “minutiae” that can or should be skipped. Just because the parts with Abby are important to you and some of the rest of the exploration isn’t doesn’t mean it is irrelevant to players.
You said the game is relatively short. If people fully explore what Naughty Dog put there, that is not correct.
2. Your responses to my post skip right past what I am actually saying to what fits your view of the game. You say things like I want to make Abby’s story a “pittance”, which is not what I wrote. I think the game would have been just as powerful without going through all of the same scenes again from another perspective. You think they needed every one of those moments. I don’t. That is fine.
3. I can’t believe I am arguing this much over a game I really like, and I am going to stop doing it. You clearly feel strongly that this was the only way Naughty Dog could have told this story, and that all of the people who don’t feel that way are wrong. Which: More power to you. I am glad the story spoke to you. It is a really good game.
Re: Video: Here's Why The Last of Us: Part 2 Is Better Than Part 1, But It's Nothing Without It
@kcarnes9051
Sure, if you blaze through the main story. If you do side quests and exploration the game is closer to 40 hours than 25.
But more importantly: your novels about this all make the assumption that we can’t understand what the game was trying to do. We do. The intent and themes of this game were not hard to figure out. A lot of people, me included, don’t think it was executed as well as it could be. The fact that a lot of people feel that was doesn’t make us right, but you shouldn’t assume that it means we don’t get it.
What you call exhausting, I call redundant and repetitive when the themes were already hammered in. If you feel differently, great. Glad you enjoyed it. But what this game was trying to say was not a mysterious puzzle, and the fact that I didn’t need to hear it for the 4th or 5th time by the time they finally slogged through the final confrontation doesn’t mean I didn’t understand it. Quite the opposite, actually.
Re: Video: Here's Why The Last of Us: Part 2 Is Better Than Part 1, But It's Nothing Without It
@kcarnes9051 Your position is very well articulated, and I agree that is exactly what TLOU 2 was doing. I will even agree that the idea itself is kind of genius for a game story and theme.
My problem is not TLOU 2’s theme or structure, but that it went on too long. What Naughty Dog was saying about the cycle of violence and the corrosive nature of revenge was obvious well before the game was over. They could have done half of the Abby section and still made their point. But they did not trust the player to get it, and as a result the game dragged as they pushed the same theme over and over.
Again, this is mainly nitpicking; TLOU 2 is a really good game. But it needed an editor in a way the first game did not. YMMV of course.
Re: Video: Here's Why The Last of Us: Part 2 Is Better Than Part 1, But It's Nothing Without It
The Last of Us is perhaps my favorite video game story of all time. Every minute was riveting from the wrenching start to the perfect ending.
Part 2 has so many good things about it-but it also has a very real pacing problem. The game dragged way too long, and the message about the cycle of violence and the cost of revenge was not delivered with much nuance or subtlety.
Part II is a very good game. I am glad I played it. Part I is an all time great game (especially when paired with the fantastic Left Behind DLC).
Your Mileage may vary of course, but to me Part I is much better and it isn’t particularly close.
Re: EA Announces Iron Man Game in Development at Motive Studio
I hope it is better than Iron Man PS3, which is one of the worst games I have played. Superman N64 level bad.
I am a big fan of Iron Man, will def. check it out when it releases.
Re: Round Up: Forspoken Previews Prove It's More Than a Meme
A game with a great combat system can make up for a lot of other flaws (Exhibit A: Kingdoms of Amalur). This sounds like it could be super fun to play.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 443
RDR2 forever. What a game. I put off playing it way too long.
Re: Big PS Store Indie Sale Live Now, Over 1,000 PS5, PS4 Games Included
@KaijuKaiser There is an object you can find that will glow when you are in an area where a seed is. That is how I found the ones I missed…….
Re: Americans Earn the Fewest Platinum Trophies for PS5, PS4
Me and my paltry number of Plats are not helping the situation. I have failed my country…….☹️
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 441
This week I started Red Dead Redemption 2. It is wonderful. I don’t know what the heck I was waiting for. I will be spending as much of the weekend as I can living the outlaw (with a heart of gold) life.
Re: Cult Horror Game The Chant Spooks PS5 This November
Is this Cult of the Lamb DLC?
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 439
I can’t seem to put down Death’s Door until I have uncovered every one of its secrets. What an awesome game.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 437
@Perturbator Griftlands has been on my wish list for quite some time. Glad to hear it is good! Thanks for the scouting report!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 437
Get well soon Mr. Tailby. Glad you are feeling better-Covid is no joke. Stay safe everyone.
I finished the story campaign for Avengers last night and I am done. Combat was kinda fun for a bit and the protagonist is delightful, but overall it is one of the more aggressively mediocre games I have played. No desire to keep at the grind of the other content.
Today I plan to start Death’s Door. Heard good things, really excited!
Re: Rumour: PS Plus Essential PS5, PS4 Games for August 2022 Have Leaked
I still want to finish the rest of the Yakuza series before jumping in to Like a Dragon (and I am only on 4!). But eventually I will be ready. Great month!
Re: Steampunk RPG Circus Electrique Is Coming to PS5, PS4 on 6th September
1. I am looking forward to this.
2.Darkest Dungeon was already scary without clowns!
Re: Former BioWare Writer Discusses Alternate Ending for the Mass Effect Trilogy
@trev666 This is the correct answer. An ending to fit all the consequential choices made over three games was never a realistic possibility. I love that trilogy, and I feel bad for gamers who let the ending get in the way of the fantastic hundred hours that came before. Because twenty comprehensive endings were never in the cards, and the ones we got were fine space opera endings.
Re: Test Your PlayStation General Knowledge - Issue 13
After the high achievement of my 10/15 last week, I am back down to 7. Where I belong.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 433
I am playing Tails of Iron. Really good game, with challenging, fun combat.
Re: Atari 50th: The Anniversary Celebration Brings 90 Classics to PS5, PS4 Later This Year
My first at home video game was Pong. My first home console was an Atari 2600. You better believe I am getting this!
Re: Test Your PlayStation General Knowledge - Issue 12
10/15. Better than usual!
Re: Circus Electrique Is Darkest Dungeon with Clowns and Firebreathers for PS5, PS4
Darkest Dungeon was scary enough before adding clowns………
Re: Poll: Will You Buy The Last of Us: Part I?
TLOU is one of the best games of all time. I have finished it and Left Behind multiple times. For me that is a big rarity, as usually I squeeze all I want out of a game and then drop it forever. I adore the game.
But I see no reason to play the remake when the remaster exists. And I would rather Naughty Dog focus on a new IP then continue to recycle this adventure every few years.
Re: Command Your Squad in Aliens: Dark Descent, a Tactical Action Game Coming to PS5, PS4
I was a little confused. You command your squad like in Guardians of the Galaxy? But "death is permanent" so-your squad can die. Does that mean there is also an Xcom like element of building your squad?
Like others, I would much prefer a horror game set in this universe rather than another shooter.......
Re: Thor Voice Actor Finishes 'Last Bit of Work' on God of War Ragnarok
I refuse to play games that are not “a rich tapestry of stuff.”
Seriously, looking forward to this one. I am beginning to believe we will actually see it this year.
Re: Twisted Metal TV Show to Star Will Arnett as the Voice of Sweet Tooth
Arnett's six seasons of playing Bojack Horseman were just full of outstanding voice work (the whole cast was great). This is an excellent choice.
Re: Poll: Do You Care About PlayStation TV Shows?
I am not generally interested in these, but I can’t wait to watch TLOU with my wife. She is not a gamer, so this is a chance for her to experience the fantastic story.
Re: More Than Half of PlayStation's Investment Could Be in Live Service Games by 2025
I am a fan of the PlayStation brand because of the excellent single player experiences. I am simply not interested in live service games. If PS wants to go that way, it is just fine. I own other consoles, my backlog and games I want to get around to buying could fill a lifetime, and plenty of people enjoy them. But Sony won’t get nearly as much investment from me if this is the route they go.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 426
Even though I thought the ending of Far Cry 5 was a rancid insult to gamers everywhere, I decided to start Far Cry 6.
It is certainly more Far Cry!
Re: Latest PS5 Firmware Update Available Now, Here Are the Patch Notes
Someday, when my grandchildren ask me what I was doing on May 12, 2022, I am going to tell them about this PS5 update. How it changed gaming. How it changed me.
Re: Pay for PS5, PS4 Platinum Trophies Is Rampant on PS Store Right Now
I am not a trophy hunter by any means-I have 16 Plats., and I have been gaming extensively for much longer than trophies have been a thing. I play a game until I am done with it, and if I have a Platinum it means I either got it by accident just playing or there was only a trophy or two left when I finished the game.
That said, I do enjoy trophies a lot. They are a good diary for what you did in a game to look back on later. Sometimes they encourage me to try things in a game I did not think of. And sometimes they cause a funny moment-I am not going to spoil it, but I recently did something in the Ascent that I have done in every video game possible for years and an achievement finally popped for it. I could not stop laughing.
What I absolutely do not care about is my trophy ranking or anything like that. Perfectly fine if other folks do, but that is not why I game. So these easy Platinum trophies are fine with me if people enjoy them (I am certainly not deleting my Telltale game plats!), but they are not for me. I play games to have fun, and would still play them without trophies or achievements. Those are just a cool side benefit that adds a little extra to the game for me.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 423
I am loving Nobody Saves the world! Great game by Drinkbox!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 423
@PenguinL Hang in there! The Horizon FW prologue/tutorial is super boring, but the rest of the game is great.
Re: Uncharted Creator Amy Hennig Working On a New Star Wars Game
Star Wars 1414 incoming! 😃
Re: Mini Review: Lake (PS5) - Mail Sim Stuck Between First and Second Class
“Lake too shallow…” heh heh. Love it.
Re: Mini Review: Nobody Saves the World (PS5) - Fun, Unique Premise Shines Through the Cracks
I started this last night on GP and am really enjoying it. It is pretty delightful so far.
Re: Weird West Gets Free Content Updates, Community Events
There is so much I like about Weird West-story, atmosphere etc. But I just hate the camera and controls. Aiming is ridiculous on console. I want to love this game, but I don’t.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 421
I finished the Ascent last night, which was good mindless fun. It ends with a boss fight that is terribly designed, but overall it was a good time-and a great looking game as well.
On to Weird West!
Re: Babylon's Fall (PS5) - This Limp, Confusing 'Service Game' Has Nothing Going for It
I just want to say: I have fallen asleep during some pretty great games! I have a full time job and a family, and my gaming time is pretty much limited to when the family goes to sleep. I have fallen asleep with controller in hand so many times when I should have just given up and gone to bed instead of trying to play. Thank goodness for the automatic rest mode feature!
That said, I am very sure this game is terrible. I have heard of no one who enjoyed it. This game was on my wish list, and now no longer is.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 414
@nofriendo Thanks a lot I appreciate the kindness. Everyone is recovering well. This was the worst result for one of my plans in a while! 😂
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 414
I am playing Horizon, which is great so far. Thank you Guerrilla Games!
I took Friday off to play, something I had not done since Arkham City released in 2015. I was so excited-booted it up-played 10 minutes-and then my wife told me that she and our youngest son tested positive for COVID. So, I didn’t get far, and it was a tough day. But I managed to play some last night in between bringing soup and juice to people, and the family is recovering very well-everyone has as many shots as they are eligible for, and symptoms are pretty mild-everyone is going to be fine, just feeling lousy.
So I don’t know how much more I will actually play this weekend, but can’t wait to get back to it. Game looks amazing and feels great to play. Looks like another home run.
Re: New PS Store Planet of the Discounts Sale Live Now, 900+ PS5, PS4 Deals
@TheCollector316 It is Nightwar with more character/story development and a further refined combat system. It is in the LL universe, but you need to know nothing about it to play. You are in for a treat!
Re: New PS Store Planet of the Discounts Sale Live Now, 900+ PS5, PS4 Deals
Doesn’t seem like a great sale, but I want to take this opportunity to say that Ruined King is fantastic. If you liked Battle Chasers: Nightwar (also awesome) or just like turn based combat, you should play this. It is Battle Chasers, but with everything refined and even better.
Re: Horizon Forbidden West (PS5) - Excellent Sequel Is a PS5 Essential
Hyped for Friday. HYPED.
Re: Dying Light 2 (PS5) - Good Sequel Hurt by Expectation
The first game was really good, so more of the same sounds great-in about six months when Horizon and the other February games are done.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 411
I am playing Spiritfarer. I have not been this charmed by a game in a long time.
Me and my youngest son played together for a few hours just this morning, building up our boat and helping our friends. The game can be sad, but it is also delightful.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 411
@Sorteddan I really enjoyed Children of Morta, and I think more people should play it. Everyone praises Hades for adding narrative elements/story progression to rogue like (and it deserves it!), but Morta does the same thing very well and no one talks about it.
Have fun!