@LightingThor Considering the PS4 user-base (that includes me!) is already populated with a-holes like myself, I'm not sure what you're getting at... π€
@David187 I read the financial report... And about a dozen others from previous years that YOU obviously haven't... and I'M supposedly the uninformed one π
@Sakisa I understand completely if people aren't interested in using cross-play and no one should be forced to. But being against having the option at all is just selfish
@themcnoisy "You're loyalties lie elsewhere" I have no loyalty to any circuitboard encased in plastic. Unlike you. If anything, PlayStation is my preferred brand, I'm just not complacent and expect better from them.
@Flaming_Kaiser Actually, Nintendo would have to have a hundred failures worse than the Wii U before they go bankrupt. Sony is more likely to go out of business BECAUSE they have so many unprofitable ventures outside of the PlayStation brand
@Fight_Sora_Fight Sony posted net losses every fiscal year for the entirety of the PS3's lifecycle and even a $1.1 Billion loss while cutting off approx. 5000 employees in 2014. What success are you referring to? Sony could easily go out of business if the PS5 isn't a smash hit.
@Fight_Sora_Fight "If Sony doesn't want it - fine" Yeah, except it won't be fine when the PS5 inevitably sells like poo due to bad PR just like the PS3 and Xbox One each did in their respective launches. And that less than 10% statistic is false, by the way. Largely because whatever survey you're referring to was not filled out by a all PS4 users.
@mrobinson91 You're right, I'm awful and name calling should never be resorted to. This is one of those topics that causes me to fly off the handle but I'm not making an excuse on my detestable behavior. But it's such a clear-cut, one-sided argument. The pros far outweigh any potential cons, to the point that the cons are barely even worth mentioning. I shouldn't be able to say "Nintendo is doing this online feature way better than Sony is" considering how much more of a selling point Online play is supposed to be for PS4 compared to the Switch. It's nothing short of pathetic that PlayStation is essentially the face of the industry yet is so behind on a feature that is becoming an industry-standard, like it or not. Just like it's pathetic that the Switch still doesn't have even the most basic communication features i.e. messaging, party chat. Just like it's pathetic that I can't play F2P games on Xbox One like Fortnite or Smite without Xbox Live Gold yet I can on Ps4, Switch, and PC without a subscription
@AdamNovice I'd say it's far more comparable to the flat-earth debate in that there's an uninformed/uneducated side that somehow thinks their opinions are equally valid.
@AdamNovice I've heard all the counter-arguments. They're invalid. Largely because they originate from mental gymnastics about potential cheaters and toxic communites. Neither of which have been issues since Rocket League launched on PS4 with PC crossplay (funny how Sony fanboys were singing praises when this launched but feel the opposite now). And if either of these things became a concern, I can go into the settings and simply choose to play on PS4-only servers. You know, instead of NOT HAVING THE OPTION AT ALL. Again, you are objectively a moron if you are against the OPTION of cross-play π
@Fight_Sora_Fight Odd. The sentence, "EA have literally just come out and confirmed that no one really demands [crossplay] for their games." is equivalent to the sentence, "The Chum Bucket has literally just come out and confirmed that no one really demands better seating." It isn't indicative whatsoever of the industry-wide demand for crossplay or the supposed lackthereof. Because the vast majority of EA's customers are casual-gamers who buy FIFA and Madden annually and have probably never heard of cross-play.
@jdv95 "pro cross play circle jerk" I think you mean people who aren't complacent yes-men who expect more than the bare-minimum. And there isn't an even SLIGHTLY valid argument for why there SHOULDN'T be cross-play even though many morons seem to think otherwise, so yeah, I'm past the point of being civil. Get intelligent.
The only people who don't want cross-play are objectively unintelligent. And people who think Shawn Layden is telling the truth here are the dumbest of the dumb; he's absolutely, undeniably lying even if he himself doesn't know it. But by all means, Sony can continue their streak of being the most anti-consumer platform-holders and morons will continue to eat it up. Such an ugly circle-jerk
I've had Tearaway for the PS Vita for some time and enjoyed it. I heard the PS4 port wasn't as good but I'll give it a shot. Disc Jam looks like a ton of fun. Best PS Plus month since... well... this current month.
@xX_RiscazZ_Xx "Already looks more promising than the Order ever did" I said what I meant and I meant what I said. From the outset, The Order didnt look like a game that was worth playing. I was right. I never got excited from the trailers because the game didnt look that fun and it didn't look like anything that I couldn't get on previous gen consoles, gameplay-wise (no real innovation). So, again, "Already looks more promising than the Order ever did"
If you can even call them mods. I'm not sure why Sony won't allow mods to the same extent as Xbox. All I know that the issue is definitely on Sony's end.
Yet another reason not to give a poop. Seriously, Modern Warfare wasn't that great to begin with. Good by COD standards, mediocre for "Great Game" standards.
I usually tend to start games on the highest difficulty allowed due to trophies; I learned my lesson with The Last of Us to try and do as few playthroughs as possible. In doing so, I think it's made me a much more competent gamer and I gained a more intimate understanding of how game design and mechanics work in order to proceed. Altough, in retrospect, I'm glad I started on Normal with TLOU of all games.
@adf86 Actually, no. He was right. The ball is most definitely in Nintendo and Microsoft's court now. Sony just showed their hand for the next two years (unless they're foolish enough to release even more iterative hardware in that time) and relatively few people are impressed with what they've presented. Meanwhile, most gamers are too smart to be suckered in by these half-gen moves so a lot are saving their hype and money for hardware that will actually be worth the upgrade like NX or Scorpio. Sounds a lot like history repeating itself cough cough Sega 32x cough cough Atari Jaguar CD cough People seem to think these mid-gen upgrades are a new concept but the idea has been around for well over 20 years.
@JaxonH I agree on so many levels. Splatoon is the best designed/balanced competetive shooter I've ever played. I absolutely need to branch out because the PS4 just doesn't have very many quality titles compared to the Wii U. I also got a Vita recently to try out some of its exclusives.
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Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@PS_Nation Nope. You proved my point that only idiots are against cross-play
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@David187 Gotta fight childishness with childishnessπ€·ββοΈ
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@LightingThor Considering the PS4 user-base (that includes me!) is already populated with a-holes like myself, I'm not sure what you're getting at... π€
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@David187 I read the financial report... And about a dozen others from previous years that YOU obviously haven't... and I'M supposedly the uninformed one π
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@PS_Nation Bafflingly dumb comment on so many levels π
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@David187 One of their few net profits they've made in the last 15 years. They're FINALLY starting to become a competent business π
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@get2sammyb Really? That's sad. It really wasn't that hard to follow...
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@Sakisa I understand completely if people aren't interested in using cross-play and no one should be forced to. But being against having the option at all is just selfish
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@themcnoisy "You're loyalties lie elsewhere" I have no loyalty to any circuitboard encased in plastic. Unlike you. If anything, PlayStation is my preferred brand, I'm just not complacent and expect better from them.
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@Flaming_Kaiser Actually, Nintendo would have to have a hundred failures worse than the Wii U before they go bankrupt. Sony is more likely to go out of business BECAUSE they have so many unprofitable ventures outside of the PlayStation brand
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@Sakisa So why is "Xbox has no bloomin games" relevant to this discussion either?
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@get2sammyb What do exclusives have to do with any of this? "Xbox has no bloomin games"
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@Sakisa Read my comments. I've already acknowledged Nintendo sucks at Online anything.
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@themcnoisy "Nintendo is so far behind digitally" is that why their exclusives are vastly superior in design to PlayStations?
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@Fight_Sora_Fight Sony posted net losses every fiscal year for the entirety of the PS3's lifecycle and even a $1.1 Billion loss while cutting off approx. 5000 employees in 2014. What success are you referring to? Sony could easily go out of business if the PS5 isn't a smash hit.
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@Fight_Sora_Fight "If Sony doesn't want it - fine" Yeah, except it won't be fine when the PS5 inevitably sells like poo due to bad PR just like the PS3 and Xbox One each did in their respective launches. And that less than 10% statistic is false, by the way. Largely because whatever survey you're referring to was not filled out by a all PS4 users.
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@YungRupee We have a Flat-Earther π
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@mrobinson91 You're right, I'm awful and name calling should never be resorted to. This is one of those topics that causes me to fly off the handle but I'm not making an excuse on my detestable behavior. But it's such a clear-cut, one-sided argument. The pros far outweigh any potential cons, to the point that the cons are barely even worth mentioning. I shouldn't be able to say "Nintendo is doing this online feature way better than Sony is" considering how much more of a selling point Online play is supposed to be for PS4 compared to the Switch. It's nothing short of pathetic that PlayStation is essentially the face of the industry yet is so behind on a feature that is becoming an industry-standard, like it or not. Just like it's pathetic that the Switch still doesn't have even the most basic communication features i.e. messaging, party chat. Just like it's pathetic that I can't play F2P games on Xbox One like Fortnite or Smite without Xbox Live Gold yet I can on Ps4, Switch, and PC without a subscription
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@AdamNovice I'd say it's far more comparable to the flat-earth debate in that there's an uninformed/uneducated side that somehow thinks their opinions are equally valid.
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@AdamNovice I've heard all the counter-arguments. They're invalid. Largely because they originate from mental gymnastics about potential cheaters and toxic communites. Neither of which have been issues since Rocket League launched on PS4 with PC crossplay (funny how Sony fanboys were singing praises when this launched but feel the opposite now). And if either of these things became a concern, I can go into the settings and simply choose to play on PS4-only servers. You know, instead of NOT HAVING THE OPTION AT ALL. Again, you are objectively a moron if you are against the OPTION of cross-play π
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@AdamNovice No, I mean people who use critical thinking and who aren't morons. Nice try π
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@Fight_Sora_Fight Odd. The sentence, "EA have literally just come out and confirmed that no one really demands [crossplay] for their games." is equivalent to the sentence, "The Chum Bucket has literally just come out and confirmed that no one really demands better seating." It isn't indicative whatsoever of the industry-wide demand for crossplay or the supposed lackthereof. Because the vast majority of EA's customers are casual-gamers who buy FIFA and Madden annually and have probably never heard of cross-play.
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@OmegaYato Exactly. It's refreshing to find some rational video game fans in a sea of fanboys.
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
@jdv95 "pro cross play circle jerk" I think you mean people who aren't complacent yes-men who expect more than the bare-minimum. And there isn't an even SLIGHTLY valid argument for why there SHOULDN'T be cross-play even though many morons seem to think otherwise, so yeah, I'm past the point of being civil. Get intelligent.
Re: Sony Says Devs Only Have to Ask for Console Cross-Play, Studios Say It's Lying
The only people who don't want cross-play are objectively unintelligent. And people who think Shawn Layden is telling the truth here are the dumbest of the dumb; he's absolutely, undeniably lying even if he himself doesn't know it. But by all means, Sony can continue their streak of being the most anti-consumer platform-holders and morons will continue to eat it up. Such an ugly circle-jerk
Re: Rumour: March PlayStation Plus Games Leaked Ahead of Announcement
I've had Tearaway for the PS Vita for some time and enjoyed it. I heard the PS4 port wasn't as good but I'll give it a shot. Disc Jam looks like a ton of fun. Best PS Plus month since... well... this current month.
Re: Rumour: March PlayStation Plus Games Leaked Ahead of Announcement
@adf86 Drawn to Death doesn't come out 'til April
Re: Just What Is The Order: 1886 Dev's Deformers All About?
@xX_RiscazZ_Xx "Already looks more promising than the Order ever did" I said what I meant and I meant what I said. From the outset, The Order didnt look like a game that was worth playing. I was right. I never got excited from the trailers because the game didnt look that fun and it didn't look like anything that I couldn't get on previous gen consoles, gameplay-wise (no real innovation). So, again, "Already looks more promising than the Order ever did"
Re: Just What Is The Order: 1886 Dev's Deformers All About?
Already looks more promising than the Order ever did
Re: Bethesda Gives 'Big Thanks' to Sony for Allowing Fallout 4, Skyrim Mods on PS4
If you can even call them mods. I'm not sure why Sony won't allow mods to the same extent as Xbox. All I know that the issue is definitely on Sony's end.
Re: Yes, You'll Need the Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Disc to Play Modern Warfare on PS4
Yet another reason not to give a poop. Seriously, Modern Warfare wasn't that great to begin with. Good by COD standards, mediocre for "Great Game" standards.
@DaweezMauiWowee Watch the language please.
Re: Soapbox: Uncharted 4's Higher Difficulties Kill the Joy of Combat
I usually tend to start games on the highest difficulty allowed due to trophies; I learned my lesson with The Last of Us to try and do as few playthroughs as possible. In doing so, I think it's made me a much more competent gamer and I gained a more intimate understanding of how game design and mechanics work in order to proceed. Altough, in retrospect, I'm glad I started on Normal with TLOU of all games.
Re: Soapbox: Uncharted 4's Higher Difficulties Kill the Joy of Combat
@Napples I couldn't agree more about cheap deaths in Dying Light due to mechanics not functioning
Re: Feature: Has Fallout 4's Season Pass Been Worth It?
It was worth it about as much as the PS4 was worth it
Re: Bethesda Speaks Out: Sony Will Not Allow Fallout 4 or Skyrim Mods on PS4
@adf86 Actually, no. He was right. The ball is most definitely in Nintendo and Microsoft's court now. Sony just showed their hand for the next two years (unless they're foolish enough to release even more iterative hardware in that time) and relatively few people are impressed with what they've presented. Meanwhile, most gamers are too smart to be suckered in by these half-gen moves so a lot are saving their hype and money for hardware that will actually be worth the upgrade like NX or Scorpio. Sounds a lot like history repeating itself cough cough Sega 32x cough cough Atari Jaguar CD cough People seem to think these mid-gen upgrades are a new concept but the idea has been around for well over 20 years.
Re: Brawlout May Be a Solid Alternative to Super Smash Bros on PS4
@JaxonH I agree on so many levels. Splatoon is the best designed/balanced competetive shooter I've ever played. I absolutely need to branch out because the PS4 just doesn't have very many quality titles compared to the Wii U. I also got a Vita recently to try out some of its exclusives.
Re: Feature: Eight of the Best PS4 Easter Eggs So Far
The Alien Blaster returning in Fallout 4 was pretty cool.