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@Milktastrophe ah ok, would have to subscribe separately then as you say.

I'm sure I'll have way too many games anyway to make sense paying even more for a few more games which is why I was hoping for the freebie.

@sword_9mm it's a lot of fun - very underrated game imo.

Anyone think we'll get EA play as part of this revamp? Couple on there I wouldn't mind playing.

@Milktastrophe true, I'd imagine the bulk of the offering will be the same across all regions with a few differences.

But even with that in mind, we're only a few weeks behind them and I'd rather not get pissed off right at the start by buying up a few games now that end up on there in June!

The games on the new PS+ tiers HAVE to be revealed sometime in the next fortnight (Asia launch Monday May 23rd) so no chance I'm touching anything that goes on sale right now, even if they're on my wishlist!

I wasn't particularly excited by the new tiers - I would have stayed on Essential or considered Extra perhaps, but due to having Plus stacked until 2028 it was a no-brainer to grab enough Now to get an almost free Premium upgrade for six years.

So let's see...they launch in Asia in a little over 2 weeks now, so they'll have to give out that game list soon!

@Gelly so you'd like the game to exclude potential new players just because the game as standard is too hard for them?

Even when the new difficulty level doesn't impact in any way on your own experience or that of players who want to play at the original difficulty?

You represent gatekeeping at its worst.

I suppose, with the typical 15% discount on PSN credit that's widely available it makes this about £33 (better)

But then I look around and see that if I really wanted it I'd buy via one of the accounts I have linked to other regions, where you can get it for low twenties equivalent.

Will probably come to Plus anyway. And it looks meh.

Nice...might actually play it sometime now (well, if it comes to Premium anyway)

@JoyconGang I love Sony first party titles - good luck playing them on Gamepass.

Nice rant though.

@nomither6 Spiderman and miles Morales are going to be free with PS Extra and Premium next month anyway.

@Momoghal786 what kind of games do you expect?

Not like they're gonna give away GT7 or Ratchet is it?

Are they really trying to spin this as a crap month?

Wow.

@Omegathree Now users were converted to Premium so they weren't losing access to what they paid for ie library of downloadable and streaming games. Plus members never had access to this in the first place, and they are keeping what they paid for on Plus essential ie monthly games and online play.

I didn't think you had to be a genius to work that one out.

In fact, by extending the membership of people who had both of these to the longest, even when the longest was Plus, Sony are going further than than they needed to.

Call me a Sony defender, apologist, fanboy, whatever. I just don't care because those making the loudest noise about this (in fact, the ONLY noise) are the ones angry they couldn't stack and get Premium cheaper than the market rate. And they're probably even angrier because they see people owning loads of Plus from the past benefitting.

Well, welcome to life. Swings and roundabouts. Winners and losers.

@twitchtvpat A lot of people had years of cheap Plus stacked anyway because you need it for online, 'free' games and saves etc, so they're getting this upgrade for many years literally for the price of a few months of Now.

In such a scenario it doesn't really matter how much or little you use it.

@Milktastrophe yep, not allowed to like anything Sony does with PS+ or anything else now.

The site will have to delete itself soon or risk being a logical contradiction.

@TommyNL At Resetera you're not even allowed to post one positive thing about Sony related to this - they're banning for it, which is beyond ridiculous! I'm glad there are a few of us with more perspective and able to see the big picture.

I'm benefitting until 2028 which is great and all, but it's not like I've saved thousands or anything. The odds are I would only have upgraded to Extra rather than Premium because I'm not bothered about retro, and maybe even dropped that after a year or so too. So my real savings from this are a lot less than the on paper savings. And that's not even considering sales that Sony are likely to offer on the headline price on BF etc

Yes, the communication was poor, but people trying to railroad everyone on here into believing that Sony is the anti-Christ because they couldn't get the savings (when Sony could easily have not offered the Plus to Premium conversion at all in the first place) need to look at themselves, because imo they're a disgrace. I include the site itself in this.

@Grumblevolcano it's even longer than 10 years - people have posted proof of subs running well beyond even that. Longest I saw was active until 2037.

That's the year I get my state pension for God's sake 😀

@Titntin @Shepherd_Tallon very well said, both of you. Pushsquare will end up a small group of angry gamers in a bubble that the majority of gamers will either happily ignore or visit once and never return to.

@KishanHansil you will be able to stack again after the new service starts in June

Love how a lot of the criers are arguing that this will just upset the hardcore and enthusiasts, because they're apparently the ones who would have stacked.

Wrong, *****. We were already stacked because we're happy with Plus, and are tickety boo as a result.

Its the Johnny-come-lately's, trying to get a pound for a penny, who are wailing.

Please keep crying, that I may feed on your tears (until 2028) and grow in power. 🤣🤣🤣

@Enigk not stacking more 'because you might die before you use them' is not very sound logic though!

Do you put money in a pension? Do you save at all? Do you plan ahead for nothing because 'you might die'?

As well as that, there is the more reductive point that if you were to die early (heaven forbid), how long you did or didn't have left on a gaming sub is not going to be a concern.

@stassinari You're absolutely right, of course. Who on earth wouldn't have stacked till kingdom come if Sony gave an official notice period to this? 🤣

Hardcore players happy with PS will be the ones who were likely to be heavily stacked anyway, and it's therefore fair that they are the ones most likely to have benefitted from this.

Outside of bubbles like this, most won't care anyway. Sony sure as heck won't.

@themightyant "They didn't have to extend Premium tier to the length of the longest sub if you had both PS+ and Now but they have."

Yes. This seems to have been lost amongst the anger. Ironic that had Sony been LESS generous and only converted Now, as most expected, they'd probably have received a lot less flak!

@get2sammyb 'I personally think they should honour people who want to stack anyway because, while they will lose some money yes, it's likely to be the most hardcore, engaged fans looking to take advantage of that anyway.'

Not sure I agree with that point - the most hardcore, engaged fans are the ones who were already likely to have stacked PS+ for years (2028 here) precisely because we're happy to be in PSN for the long term regardless. Not people trying to stack because of an upcoming deal.

And we've been duly rewarded.

@Godot25 I was subbed on Plus until 2028 thanks to cheap deals and I grabbed a Now code when it was announced what was happening. I got lucky. Some missed out because they weren't subbed to both at that point with a long sub on one of them. Tough. That's life.

If you have a Plus code now you can use it after June, or if your current one expires before then. You've lost nothing compared to what you paid for.

And as for the 'fanboy' rant, I have this to say:

I've owned Playstations since 1994, and Sony TVs and hifi components since well before that and guess what? I've really enjoyed my investments. So yeah, I do happen to like and appreciate Sony the company for those reasons and I don't give a ***** what some internet random who has done nothing whatsoever for me thinks about that.