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Sony must be worried looking at the sales numbers of Marathon on the PS5 compared to the Xbox version. Especially when Fairgames, Horizon: Hunter Gathering & 4 Loop are just for PS5 & PC.

@Juanalf well Playstation is still technically a 3rd party publisher as they haven't announced that they are stopping any PC ports. So I don't see a difference if it's PC users wanting games from Sony or PS5 users wanting from Square Enix.

@RoomWithaMoose I don't think so. Your correct they could co exist. But a lot of the success could be that it had little competition on those platforms.

@GirlVersusGame funny how Nintendo goes after people who copy Pokémon when it was a copy of Dragon Quest.

@HeeHo depends on what the courts demand I guess. If you have a bank card linked to your PSN account. They could deposit the cash into that account. They could message all UK users with a link to claim the cash. Or simply give the user an offer of cash, credit or PS plus to the value agreed by the courts.

@Strikke that's why I'd say it could well be more down to Nintendo. Than Microsoft. As we don't know what terms Nintendo agreed to for exclusivity. As a PC port could have been agreed to be released later. But with Square Enix wanting to be more multiplatform & supports Xbox play anywhere. Nintendo may have agreed as Xbox is no threat & it also keeps good relations with Square Enix.
I do suspect that it will hit PS5 at some point though.

@RoomWithaMoose very true. But when it was announced as a Switch 2 exclusive at launch. I remember a few here were disappointed.

@RoomWithaMoose as long as the hiccup doesn't take a few years to sort like the original Octopath Traveler did to hit the platform.

@DennisReynolds funny how everyone is pointing at Microsoft making the deal with Square Enix. When it could have been Nintendo who has allowed the game to be released on Xbox & PC.

@Gunbeld funny that. It was just over a year ago that PlayStation fans were port begging for Xbox's biggest franchises.

@Oram77 console piracy has always been a problem also. The original Playstation was notorious for being chipped. Sega Dreamcast was easily pirated. The Playstation 5 was recently jailbroken. But got patched.
You can also play Playstation games on the Xbox Series X/S through developer mode. Which your not meant to.

@darylb24 if you are a UK resident you get automatically enrolled if you have purchased at least 1 item from the Playstation store within a specific time period. But if Sony is found guilty here. There isn't anything stopping anyone outside of the UK filing a complaint to there local government regulator. As people moan online about unfair practices rather than complain to the services available that can do something about it.

Legislators will take all information into consideration. Obviously they'll ask why consoles are any different to IOS, Android & Windows in regard that they need an exclusive walled garden to function. How it helps promote competition & the benefits to consumers. Also Sony's investment into the brand. Running costs etc.
But Sony's argument is focused on online safety, fraud & years of investment. Which is similar to Apple & Google's previous arguments. Which were unsuccessful in the UK courts.

@HeeHo how not. Apple lost a similar case last year.

@LogicStrikesAgainwell not really. Cloud integration could bridge the gap. Like what happens in Microsoft's flight simulator. Its one way you could buy a cheaper console & get the same level of performance as a more premium one.

@belmont the EU's Digital Markets Act. Apple, Amazon, Google & Microsoft got investigated & found guilty of being a gatekeeper.

Apple & Google were forced to open up to 3rd party app stores. Forced to allow 3rd party payments through web browser & stop prioritising 1st party apps over competition.

Amazon has to prompt customers to grant consent for personalized experiences and to use their personal information from Amazon services to show personalized ads. Data Portability: Customers can share their data generated. Advertising Transparency & allow a better User Experience

Microsoft. The ability to uninstall the Windows store in Windows 10+11. All default apps to be fully deleted. Listing & choosing a default browser/search engine during instillation. Auto sign in scrapped.

@LogicStrikesAgain I don't think the cheaper console model will disappear. But for it to continue it will have to be like the current Xbox Series S or Switch 2. So attitudes to reduced powered hardware has to change. So will be interesting to see what Sony does with the PS6.

@LogicStrikesAgain with the rising cost of hardware it was coming to an end anyway. Nintendo stopped after the WiiU. Playstation & Xbox started this gen.
So say the PS6 is $800 but it's tech is worth $1,200 but we have Playstation store pricing. But the Xbox Magnus is $1,500 but you get competitive pricing that could allow Steam level pricing due to higher competition. Over the consoles lifecycle you paying upfront to save later.

@AverageGamer I mentioned this case the other day & how the ramifications could change how UK PlayStation gamers play in the future. But I got ignored.

@UltimateOtaku91 if Playstation was forced. Then Xbox, Epic, Tencent & others could create stores using already released Playstation software & then add future titles. They then would have the freedom to set prices, create partnerships with developers & publishers by offering better rates than the current Playstation stores 30%. They'd also get to keep all the revenue. Xbox would be able to freely get Games Pass on Playstation without it being blocked by Sony. Xbox, Steam, Nvidia, Tencent & others would be able to offer their own cloud gaming services also to compete with Playstations.

@UltimateOtaku91 yes Playstation can be forced!!!. If this case rules that PlayStation breaches UK anti competitive rules. Then they could rule that the CMA gets involved to do a full investigation. They could force PlayStation to open to rival stores if found guilty.

@RoomWithaMoose your correct. The next Xbox is gonna be digital only as it's essentially a PC. So new anti competitive rules like the EU's Digital Markets Act has forced Microsoft to open up to rivals. But with this lawsuit & the potential fallout of dynamic pricing. Playstation might have to follow if there not careful.

@RoomWithaMoose but that's my point . Palworld is everywhere that Pokémon isn't Available!!!!! 😆. As there is a gap in the market on those platforms for a Pokémon lite style game. Even though it's a survival game at heart which makes it a different experience.

@Drago201 I just re looked it up again. the sales chart was based on the end of year US sales. which had Ghost of Yotei at 3rd spot to Forza Horizons 10th spot. It was rumoured that GoY had hit 4 million in sales by December. After it's 3.3 million launch. So after looking at other factors in other regions like Europe where Forza was 5th to GoY 11th . Forza was speculated to have only shifted 3-4 million units not the initial 5 million reported earlier. But until both Sony & Microsoft release numbers it's all speculation.

@RoomWithaMoose Nintendo won't allow it & the developer is probably aware of that so its using it to get essentially free marketing for the game. We have seen it with other knock offs.
Plus why was Palworld such a success on PC & Xbox at launch. As it's the closest users would get to a Pokémon like experience in a survival sandbox world on there platform. Would it have been successful if Pokémon was a multiplatform game? Probably not. But due to the lack of availability on platforms outside Nintendo there is a market for them. So yes in a way is a blatant rip off & leeching. But you can't say it's not about availability.

@Drago201 Forza didn't sell 5 million. It sold less than Ghost of Yotei from what an end of year sales chart said. So it got revised to being 3 million

@ButterySmooth30FPS only COD has produced big numbers though. Sea of Thieves produced supposedly 2 million & Forza Horizon 5 is meant to have sold 3 million. That's the same as Horizon: Zero Dawn did at 2.2 million & God of War 2018 at 3.3 million did on Steam but that isn't enough for Playstation fanboys.
Pentinent, HiFi Rush, Doom the Dark Ages, The Outer Worlds 2 all failed miserably.
So it's funny how it works for Xbox being on PS5 but it doesn't for Playstation on PC when sales are flat.

@JPEGMakima unfortunately games like this exist on PS5, Xbox & PC due to both Pokémon & Zelda being exclusive to Nintendo hardware. Plus developers see a market for it on rivals hardware.

@JPEGMakima only Nintendo & yourself have a problem with the imitations I guess 😆. But then say how dare console exclusives be a problem lol.

@JPEGMakima well if Nintendo won't share with everyone. Then someone else will fill the void I guess.

@get2sammyb Microsofts whole next gen strategy got the thumbs up by the EU. When they were investigated under the Digital Markets Act. When they got named a gatekeeper like Apple, Amazon, & Google. Xbox passed due to the disc drive allowing competitive sales of software.
Both Playstation & Nintendo will face similar scrutiny as regulation gets stricter. As Playstation is facing a £2 billion lawsuit against store pricing & a monopoly in digital games & dlc content. Apple lost a similar case last year. Nintendo's digital key cards could land them in hot water at some point also if it becomes the default way to play Switch 2. games

@Dog_Biscuits true 1.5% doesn't sound a lot to be fair. But Playstation wasn't fully committed either. Just like their not on other platforms. But they launched a handful of titles. Which still resulted in 33% of all revenue for Playstation 1st party studios. Why will they give that up!!!

What brand damage. A small minority of fanboys crying isn't gonna do much. As we have had 4 years of PC releases & a few titles on the Switch & Xbox. The PS5 is still about to hit 100 million units. Even Jim Ryan's disastrous live service push hasn't slowed them. Playstation is carried by casual gamers. So they won't care if games are on PC as long as COD, GTA, Fortnite, Roblox & sports games are available.

People look at Microsoft as an example. But most users associate Microsoft with PC due to Windows. People don't with Playstation. Xbox doesn't advertise there products. Playstation does. I see adverts everywhere. Xbox was a small division within Microsoft till lately. Playstation is Sony's money maker.

Playstation could release day & date on PC. I'd still think it wouldn't hurt them. As Playstation is a strong brand & is associated with console gaming.

Why it doesn't make sense. Sony's financial report in late 2025 said that non PlayStation software including PC resulted in 33% of all revenue for Playstation 1st party studios between 2022- March 2025. At $656 million. It's now $1.2 billion from the latest round of financial figures.
Playstation isn't gonna give up 33% of its first party revenue!!!!

@Dog_Biscuits but it doesn't make sense. If early financial reports state that Sony makes 33% of all 1st party studio revenue from non PlayStation platforms including PC ports. The shareholders would be up in arms if they stopped 😆. Specially when there is no evidence that it has hurt the brand when it comes to sales.

An analysis of Sony's financials from the last few years indicates that selling in-house games on Steam, GOG, and the Epic Games Store is becoming increasingly beneficial. Between fiscal years 2022 and 2024, sales of PC titles might have grown from less than a fifth to almost a third of total first-party PlayStation game revenue.

Sony revealed that sales of non-PlayStation software exceeded 96 billion yen, or approximately $656 million, for the fiscal year ending March 2025.

@themightyant I personally don't see anything to combat other than the Switch 2. Playstation hasn't lost anything by bringing titles to other platforms. Whatever benefits Xbox may get from having Playstation games on the next Xbox. Is offset by the fact that Xbox games will be on the PS6 & the console could be half the price. Plus the Steam machine is limited due to it Linux system. As the bulk of favourite shooters aren't compatible due to anti cheat software & then add valves limited capability to manufacture it's hardware.

I never bought the argument that Lego had full control. As they'd probably have put it on Xbox as well like every other past Lego game. Plus why would Sony allow a deal that locks them out of any decision making of where one of its most popular franchises gets played?

@themightyant even valve said the Steam machine won't be a threat to current consoles. I'd suspect Sony would look at the Steam Deck as reference to the competition including the switch. As for the next Xbox. I think it depends on the new management. If it does bring back some form of exclusivity & starts expanding it's marketing department. Then maybe Playstation may see them as a threat. But if nothing changes then the next Xbox will be a niche product.
I never bought the whole PC players will buy a PS5 for sequels. I don't think the Sony excecs did either. Specially when they mention PC with cloud & mobile as areas of growth. They are aware that by abandoning PC ports they will loose those that would never shift.
Unfortunately Piracy will always be a problem. as you'll get PS5 emulators to play Ghost of Yotei & Saros due to the lack of PC ports. I could play Playstation games on my Xbox in dev mode if I wanted. Look at the hassle Nintendo has with emulation.They'd make a fortune if they had an online service on PC to play old games.

@themightyant the Forza Horizon 5 selling 5 million got debunked in January as Ghost of Yotei was higher on a yearly sales chart. So they recon it's more likely 3 million. But selling on PC hasn't weakened the Playstation brand 😆. That's fanboy hysteria!!!!. Playstation still heavily backs the PS5. Sales of the console are also nearly identical to the PS4's. As for sales of Steam games. They tanked after the whole PSN requirement locked out over 170 countries. Even after the restrictions were sorta lifted. It was still required for online play. Effecting Ghost of Tsushima in 2024. If you want a better indication of sales check out Stellar Blade which didn't require PSN. It was meant to be Playstations best selling PC port. Selling 1 million in 3 days.

@Nei but are Xbox games successful on PS5. You all say that Playstation PC ports don't make a great deal to Playstation financials. But Sea of Thieves was meant to have sold 2 million on PS5. That was the same as Horizon: Zero Dawn did on Steam with 2.2 million. Forza Horizon 5 reportedly sold 3 million. Like God of War 2018 did on Steam. With 3.3 million. Spiderman 2 700,000 on Steam is reportedly more than the Outer Worlds 2 recently sold on PS5.

@Flaming_Kaiser maybe only time will tell.

@Grumblevolcano Astro games would be hard to port due to the use of haptic controls. So it would either need to be fully reworked which kills the whole point of the game. Make it a VR title on PC which again limits it's appeal or just don't bother.

@headmold obviously the live service titles would be a constant revenue stream if they are successful. But big franchises like Spiderman & Wolverine would sell well if released a year on Steam. Plus the PC ports of big Playstation IPs did well before PSN was forced . As blocking access to 100+ countries is a great business idea. Hardly surprising after backlash it was made optional. But Its funny how Playstation PC push is a waste of time bringing in 2%. But Xbox games on Playstation is for survival. But successful older titles like Sea of Thieves which was meant to have sold 2 million units & Forza Horizon 5 has been mentioned to have sold 3.3 million is the same as Horizon Zero Dawn & God of War 2018 did on Steam.

@RedRiot193 if any one or all of Marathon, 4Loop & Fairgames. Which are live service titles do decently like Helldivers 2 on PC. That would add growth to the 2%. Hopefully PlayStation won't sabotage themselves this time around with demands like mandatory PSN requirement which previously cost them a huge amount of sales. But I agree with the day & date with single player titles NOT!!! Happening anytime soon

@LowDefAl you may be correct. It may not come out or it could be reworked. Either way it won't make a dent in PlayStation sales to be seen as a threat from Sony.

@headmold but the Steam machine & Xbox Magnus won't hinder Playstation. As they'll be niche products. If anything they'll help growth of Playstation PC titles. It's only fanboys that hate the idea.

@Juanalf maybe for Playstation 1st party studios. Which I still think specific titles will have a specific timed exclusivity. But I don't see 3rd party limiting themselves to just PS5 exclusivity. When they were allowed PC sales previously. As people complain that 2% is nothing. Try explaining to the Sony board why they will ditch an extra 2% of sales when it hasn't effected PlayStation console sales.

The Steam machine won't be a rival. Look at the Steam Deck to Nintendo Switch sales. Valve only sells on its website. As for the Xbox Magnus. If it's double the price of the PS6 it not gonna compete well. Even with Steam, Epic, Gog etc. If anything they would help sales of PC titles making it a bigger revenue of growth. Which is what Sony wants.

@Avalanchee the % of sales would have been more on Steam if PlayStation hadn't made a lot of the single player games tied to a PSN account. Which for many countries don't have access to. Or you require a Playstation console to make one like Ukraine. Seriously limiting sales. Even Helldivers 2 had to be massively refunded when certain regions were locked out of play. They did change it with later ports but the damage was done.

So far 80% of titles to be published by Playstation in 2026 are heading to PC. But yet we are lead to believe there scalling back 😆.
Even though Playstation themselves said porting to PC is like printing money. But then the same insiders said that God of War Sons of Sparta was to be a multiplatform title before the last State of Play. Which didn't happen 😆.