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@Art_Vandelay I don't assume anything. I also believe that the reason Xbox is loosing ground to Playstation isn't due to PC & it's multiplatform strategy. But the lack of any form of advertising & it's lack of identity in the eyes of customers. Compared to both Nintendo & Playstation.

@Art_Vandelay people associate Microsoft with Windows PC gaming. So the jump is easier for Xbox users. As both are heavily integrated these days with play anywhere. Games pass, free cross saves etc. If Playstation does the same then I'd agree but ATM you'd have to start from scratch.

@Deadlyblack then you had the psn login saga. Which killed sales as it restricted regions that games could be sold in for later ports.

@Fiendish-Beaver Your correct. Until it comes directly from Sony it's all speculation. But if this gen has taught us anything. You can't take nothing for granted.

@UltimateOtaku91 definitely 100%. It's either like you said Monster Hunter. Or Destiny. In which you have the co op campaign. Plus separate online/PVP. But instead of flying to different planets. You get to pick which part of the world you play. So you get to experience different eco systems. Including characters, lore etc.

@Max_the_German it will be interesting to see what is being cooked for the PS5 Horizon online game. I don't think it's similar to Horizon Steel Frontier. As a full blown MMO. As they'd be better just releasing NCSOFT's game also on PS5. A co op game with full campaign. With a separate online, PvP & Battle Royale mode. Or it could end up looking like Destiny.

@Oram77 we still have the game awards coming this winter. But if not hopefully next year. But like you say it depends if it's ready to release within a 8 month period.

@Max_the_German I think it depends on what kind of game the PS5 one is. As it could be a co op Horizon. With a full blown campaign. That just plays like Zero Dawn & Forbidden West. But with the option to add a friend.

@Oram77 even just a teaser trailer for the online PS5 game. Would have worked better than nothing.

@Fiendish-Beaver this rumour means nothing to be fair. It comes days after the Horizon MMO gets announced for PC over the PS5. With confirmation it was Sony's decision!!! But we are lead to believe that PC ports are on the back burner. Plus they were looking at hiring a Senior Director of Multiplatform & Account Management back in July. To help go more multiplatform. They even praised Xbox users for recent success of ports of Helldivers 2 & MLB the Show.

They were advertising they wanted to expand further back in July.

Vice President, Commercial Management as Senior Director of Multiplatform & Account Management, you will play a critical leadership role in shaping and executing the global commercial strategy for PlayStation Studios software titles across all digital platforms beyond PlayStation hardware, including Steam, Epic Games Store, Xbox, Nintendo, and mobile. This role is accountable for optimizing title profitability, ensuring cross-functional alignment, and leading a high-performing team focused on multiplatform expansion, mid-range commercial planning, and platform partner management.

Would make for a fun Playstation Plus title.

I wonder if it's Asia first. Then if successful it will launch in the west on the rumoured PS launcher, Steam, PS5 & mobile. Then maybe future expansion on Switch 2 & Xbox if really successful.

@StitchJones I'm not shooting the messenger. But if the hybrid Xbox is a PC. Then technically console exclusives means nothing to them if more companies still bring games to PC day 1.

@GeeEssEff why wouldn't Sony want a PC launcher on the hybrid Xbox. They'd get 100% of the revenue from it. I could also see Sony doing a deal with Xbox not just to advertise it heavily. But even support it if it's a full blown Playstation store.

@StitchJones but if the next gen Xbox allows Steam. Then this game is available.

@UltimateOtaku91 that would include Concord though.

@11001100110zero I can't see hardware disappearing either as it will be the showroom. The place you can have all of PlayStation/ Xbox services on one purpose built device.
But like you said the numbers don't lie & PlayStation like Microsoft realize that cornering yourself into a small portion of a market doesn't continuously bring in more money. The amount of players they have ignored over the years is crazy. But that is slowly changing.

@Scottyy I don't blame ya to be fair.

@Scottyy I could see Sony invest more in support studios to help its current studios. To make sure quality is still to the highest. I can still see indie titles still having exclusivity deals.

@Scottyy why!!! Sony will still provide a console for you & I. But allow others who wouldn't entertain the thought of playing on a games console. The same opportunity to play great games.

@UltimateOtaku91 I believe that the portal & streaming it's PS+ tiers is but the first stage. I can see Sony bringing its whole PlayStation store to cloud & offer just a cloud only PlayStation+ tier in the future.
I can understand your argument about trying to bring more to PlayStation hardware. But try tell teenagers who use their phone for everything to give it up to play games on a $500 PlayStation. It's not gonna happen!!! I think Sony has now realized that. So it plans to bring it's games to them.

@Scottyy I can see Sony doing what Xbox is doing later this year. Which is to put all its services on the cloud. So users that don't want to buy a console can use any online/Bluetooth enabled device of their choice. To stream games they either have rented/purchased.

@TrollOfWar I agree with all of it.

I still think that Sony see's the Xbox platform in the future on PC, cloud & mobile. There push to be on any online device makes them hard to ignore. But those who do support it could reap the rewards if successful.

@11001100110zero I think it's more Sony looks at its current data from it's own live service titles on Xbox. Maybe had discussions with Xbox over there current strategy of porting games to Playstation. But while on the subject we're told of Xbox's push into cloud & mobile gaming. Then realised that if successful all involved could make a lot of money.

@UltimateOtaku91 if Nintendo released another traditional console after the Wii U. They'd have failed also. The Switch was a success due to Nintendo doing what it does best. Handheld gaming. Microsoft is doing now what it's does best & it's being a software company.
You say Xbox exclusives on Playstation will tip the scale. But what happens if Helldivers 2 is the start of a similar plan? 3rd party exclusives are drying up due to higher costs. Plus players generally play the same 10 games on all platforms. I don't see the hybrid PC threatening Playstation 6. But I don't think that Microsoft had that in mind. What I do see that may threaten the dominance of hardware next gen. Is Xbox's cloud strategy of being on any online device the player chooses. As casuals will flock to this as well as the newer younger audience.

@get2sammyb people forget that their is already Destiny 2 & MLB the Show on Xbox for Sony to gather data from.
Plus I bet Sony is watching Xbox's push to get it's services on nearly every online device possible. & sees an opportunity to make money off it. As if successful that will be millions of players not interested in buying a console.

@UltimateOtaku91 Xbox is pretty much dead 😆😆😆. Look at the Wii U & what happened to Nintendo with the Switch when it became a hybrid. Like others have said. Sony wets the bed when it feels like it's invincible.
But I think Sony is playing nice with Microsoft. As now they are partners. They both see the future is expansion outside of just console hardware to cloud, mobile etc. So with that they will have new rivals. So by working together they will both succeed.

@11001100110zero why does Sony need access to data. When they already do from titles already on Xbox like Destiny 2 & MLB the Show.

@Balaam_ I did notice a lot of comments being flagged 😕.

What did I say that was trolling & baiting 😕

@ED_209 Xbox doesn't advertise any of its products anywhere. That's a big factor in its decline. As if consumers aren't aware of why they should buy a product. They won't. But both Sony & Nintendo have stalls in stores, advertise on TV, billboards etc. I'd say at best Sony will loose 2nd console owners & a few hardcore butt hurt players which may account for 10-20% of current PS5 owners. But could make it up in software sales from more users on all platforms.

@get2sammyb I think Sony is betting on Xbox to be more successful when it allows gamers to be able to play all purchased games from the Xbox store via its xcloud service later this year.

@Titntin yeah the YouTube podcasters unfortunately give PlayStation fandom a very bad name.
I thought it was gonna be everything as well until the CEO S Nadella during his last interview. Again said that he hated exclusives but said in some instances are needed. So confirmed that some exclusives will exist on Xbox. Looking at the sales figures of Pentinent & HiFi Rush I guess it could be niche AA titles. That's why I mentioned Avowed as it didn't sell well on Steam & potentially South of Midnight.
Indeed it is an exciting time to be a gamer.

@Titntin I agree the media is very biased. But the loyal hardcore PlayStation fanboys are more who I was referring to. You see them on YouTube like PRock77, Xvault etc. You occasionally see them on here & Pure Xbox also.
I agree it is a big deal the shift from both Xbox plus PlayStation to be a platform & 3rd party publisher. I did see the figures & wasn't really surprised that Sea of Thieves was the best sold. Newer titles will more likely sell better. So it will be interesting what Microsoft does with that data. So is it big titles like Gears of War, Fable, Forza, Halo with Bethesda & Activision Blizzard. Does that mean Avowed & South of Midnight get ported. Again many unknowns.

@Grumblevolcano if the Last of Us double pack is announced for Switch 2 along with the PS5 & PC editions. The meltdown will be to epic proportions. Some fanboys haven't yet recovered from Playstation being at the last Switch Direct.

@naruball that's my point though. As a large portion of the Playstation community never had any intention to own an Xbox. So make excuses like the multiplatform release or had no games in the first place. Now it's a constant debate to which game is heading to Playstation on a daily basis.

It's funny how some are now using that Xbox going multiplatform as an excuse. Or Xbox had no games as a reason for never owning an Xbox. Then say id buy Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Forza 😆😆😆. Some of those games have been on Xbox for 20 years.

@Fiendish-Beaver to be fair look at the price of the PS5 Pro. Console aren't getting cheaper either. Plus the latest 2025 Steam hardware survey shows the bulk of gamers still use mid to low end hardware. So their is a market to be had if they can hit the sweet spot in price with a relatively descent spec.
Microsoft's new philosophy of putting the games where the gamer is. Will bring in more money in the long run even if the bulk is 70%. I'm pretty sure the hybrid Xbox will be all digital. Hence opening of the eco system to rivals to avoid similar problems Amazon, Apple, Google & even Microsoft themselves have had with the EU's Digital Markets Act. Microsoft is looking at releasing a mobile store. They will soon allow purchased games via the Xbox & Windows store to be playable from the cloud on any online & Bluetooth device. So they'd get high revenue streams from those users. Which could off set revenue loss from rival stores on Xbox hardware.
I also asked people I know. If Xbox put Steam on the platform would they use it? Most weren't interested if it was an optional download. These were mostly younger people. A handful of people my age in their 40's said they'd definitely use it. Others said it depends what's already on the box when purchased. So I got a mixed result from those who I asked.

@Fiendish-Beaver I agree. Playstation making the disc drive modular was pure genius. 3rd party disc drive could be a possibility for the next Xbox or OEM.

@Fiendish-Beaver there is more to it though. As if the next Xbox is an all digital system. They will be under the same scrutiny as Apple & Google have recently fallen fowl to under the Digital Markets Act in the EU. Even Sony has had a few lawsuits over pricing & not selling game cards outside of its Playstation store.

@Fiendish-Beaver why is it so hard to believe that the next Xbox could have Steam. Making the Xbox OS open & fully licensed to OEMs could do to gaming what Android did to mobile.

@get2sammyb but your not looking at the full picture. If Xbox opens its next gen console to allow Steam & Epic stores. Then the console has their exclusives & any deals Microsoft make for the Xbox store as they'd be competing for your money. Their is nothing stopping Sony making an app store either. More competition leads to better pricing. Plus id bet Xbox games would be available on all stores anyway. Add Games Pass, Play anywhere etc. So id suspect Microsoft would still make money off of software. Plus Microsoft talked about 3rd party consoles. So what's stopping Microsoft from partnering with Valve & others to keep costs down on hardware. They'd also be able to license it to other manufacturers.

@get2sammyb you mention toxic fanboy behavior!!! But then reply to someone saying that the Switch 2 that hasn't released yet will be a better place for Sony to port older games than Xbox Series consoles which is available today & has an install base to sell to. That is a typical fanboy response!!! It's also the attitude that has landed gaming in the trouble it's in. As I bet you wrote it as it's the general narrative surrounding Xbox. I could see Helldivers 2, Spiderman & others sell well on Xbox as much as it would on the Nintendo Switch 2. Just like I see that Xbox games will sell well on PlayStation.

Man that sucks. I was looking forward to hearing more about the Horizon MMO. As if done well it could have been to Sony what Final Fantasy 14 is to Square Enix. A good money maker.

@breakneck Sea of Thieves may be live service title but it had no content when it released other than exploring & didn't review well. if it wasn't for Games Pass it probably be lucky if it would have lasted more than a year.

@vyseofhr I liked the Sega Saturn's start up 👍. But the original Playstation one when I booted my PS5 to play Tower of Aghasba today brings back some good memories.

It's now coming to PS5, Android & IOS also

@Matroska Microsoft said they went after ABK for King. To get a foothold in the mobile market. If they get the Xbox app store running & it's successful on IOS & Android. Then it's money well spent as mobile is the bigger prize.