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@Meowmixes98 with who footing the bill?

@WhiteRabbit That's industry standard, vs no severance and immediate termination at Sony

There's a reason Sony isn't a desirable place to work

They also got 3 months of employment guarantee, severance pay and 6 months of heath insurance

On the otherside Sony gave their employees stale cookies and booted them out the next week

Also wonder if we're going to talk about the news today that Firesprite is laying off

I think Sony will end up shutting down Firewalk, Haven, Media Molecule and maybe Housemarque in the near future

It’s sad but these guys games aren’t big performers

On the other hand arguably Sony MVP studio this gen has been Nixxes

I hope so, Sony first party is mostly in development hell right now, they badly need a W

@PuppetMaster "So why Hellblade 2 which is an AAA game."

$50 digital only game is an AAA game? Did Epic give Alan Wake 2 mass marketing push? Sega give Like a Dragon Man who Erased his name a mass marketing?

Sony barely marketed Helldivers 2 and that game became popular because of viral marketing, that is until Sony torpedoed it into the ground, now Arrowhead no longer wants to work with Sony

"i gave you not just 3 but 7 games"

There's more than 7 games where The Coalition alone assisted and will be more in the future, also listing PSP games that came out a decade ago 💀

"Said who? Put your source in here and please don't say you heard it from Phil Spencer lmao."

Hi Fi Rush was a shadow drop 💀 why would it have a physical version? Also there's already a ton of data out there that the majority of Xbox players are digital only so why would MS invest in physical versions when no one in their audience wants them? You're not making any sense

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/gamesindustrybiz-presents-the-year-in-numbers-2022

I listed like 5-6 IP that Microsoft are massively investing in, not just giving you a lazy port like Sony is with Sly, where Sony isn't even giving you a Bloodborne patch or a PC version

"A new Doom game is very much guaranteed without MS involvement"

Spider-man, Stellar Blade, Bloodborne would have all happened without Sony, Koei Techmo would have found another publisher for Rise of Ronin, Housemarq would have taken their game to another publisher

There's a difference between a game "happening" and a game coming out as a much better product because of support from a larger company

Case in point Psychonauts 2 would have come out without Microsoft too...except it would have came out rushed, unoptimized, and without boss fights

https://www.thegamer.com/psychonauts-2-boss-fights-talk/

If you REALLY think about it, Epic likely would have made a new Gears game by now if they didn't sell the IP to Microsoft a decade ago....

Again games happening and games being good products are 2 different things...under EA Bioware had delivered Mass Effect 2, 3 and the Dragon Age games but Mass Effect Andromeda was a dud....why? Because EA management fumbled

"at all when Doom Eternal made $450 million revenue in the first year."

Except Zenimax also had multiple live service flops, had several games underperform but sure, Doom Eternal was somehow going to subsidize the entire company in addition to funding development for its sequel and also make massive investments into Id Tech 😂

https://wccftech.com/phil-spencer-teases-idtech-engine-usage-by-xbox-game-studios/

Gee I wonder why Zenimax sold to Microsoft in the first place 😂 you realize that if 5-6 games flop and 1 game does extremely well that the 1 game has to make up for the flops, this is common sense

Oh I'm sure a new Doom would have came out eventually....at a much later date or it would have been rushed out unoptimized....without as big a budget...without the big investments into the tech...without all of the technology resources MS offers ... but sure totally comparable 😂

hence why Doom DA is such a big deal because its a Microsoft Product made fully under Microsoft from start to finish, not something they caught half way through like Starfield and Redfall or even Psychonauts 2, its such a big deal for MS that it was their opener for their Game Showcase

"But Phil Spencer wants Doom Dark Ages as Xbox exclusives and i'm glad IdS said NO to Phil."

You know what Phil could have said?

Phil: "Haha that's cute...last I checked..I'm your boss, its going to be exclusive, deal with it or find a new job"

The game is multiplat (and all of MS games will follow suit) because of financial reasons ei sales not because Id Soft has any say in the matter

Imagine if a Sony studio told Jim Ryan they wanted their game multiplat, dude would have laughed and told them to get back to work, again you're not making any logical sense

"Blue Dragon, Crackdown, Phantom Dust, Crimson Skies, Project Gotham Racing, Viva Pinata, Conker, Killer Instinct, or Too Human?"

They did bring back Crackdown/KI, KI was successful and even got a recent anniversary update, KI got more relevance and support in the last decade than Socom, Resistance and Killzone combined

why would they bring back PG when they have already 2 racing games? like asking Sony to bring back Motorstorm, they did bring back Phantom Dust and no one cared, Rare also doesn't want to work on old IP's and and who's asking for Too Human? No one even remembers that game and Microsoft doesn't even own the IP for it...

These are some terrible examples

"God of War 2018 & Ragnarok, Ghost of Tsushima,."

God of War GT are the only games here from the PS1 PS2 era, the rest of these games came out PS3 and beyond, no one cares about Medi-evil this is like when MS tried bringing back Voodoo Vince, we're never getting a Demon Souls sequel because From Soft won't make one and Sony studios aren't capable of mkaing one,

Sony ported Sly 1, Daxter etc to PS5....yeah these 480P half assed ports

https://twitter.com/JohnSilvaGaming/status/1800826742632071636

Amazing Conker got a 1080p treatment but Sony put no effort into these ports, even the Phantom Dust and Voodoo Vince remasters got better treatment than these games did 💀 just proving my point that Sony doesn't invest in their IPs

"It's just a matter of time for a new Resistence, Sly, Killzone, or Socom."

They're never coming back bro, if Sony had any interest in them we'd be getting them instead of this Concord abomination

Toys for Bob is bringing back one of Microsoft's IP's likely Banjo, Crash or Spyro, just proves my point that MS invest in their IP's and Sony doesn't because they want to coast off whats popular

"In the end, "cultivated by Playstation" isn't a pile of crap like your claim. "

It really is....at least in the context that it's something secret Sony sauce that only Sony does that other studios don't....Sony doesn't cultivate anymore than EA or or any other company does....do they support developers and market? Sure...they're very good at marketing and branding but no better than Activision is with annual COD marketing

You don't have to change your mind, the evidence is pointing in my favor

@PuppetMaster

"Just compare how they marketing their recent released exclusive game(s):"

If you're trying to argue Sony being better at marketing than Microsoft, yes I agree there but Hellblade 2 and Hi Fi Rush are bad examples, Hi Fi Rush was a shadow drop and Hellblade 2 is a niche title....where a game like Stellar Blade had a lot of viral marketing because of the main character

When a big game like COD, Doom, Fallout, Gears come out MS will up the physical marketing compared to a game like Hellblade 2

"Can you name me at least 15 titles from 3rd party devs that mention The Coalition name in their end credits?"

Avowed, Halo Infinite, State of Decay 3

https://gamerant.com/avowed-developer-the-coalition-unreal-engine/

https://dailygamer.com/newspost/286/detail/Gears-of-War-5-Developer-The-Coalition-Worked-On-Halo-Infinite-Alongside-343-Industries

https://gamerant.com/state-of-decay-3-xbox-the-coalition-obsidian/#:~:text=Developer%20Undead%20Labs%20has%20enlisted,used%20in%20the%20latest%20trailer.

Also have an internal department to assist and develop tech related to Unreal

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cppblog/partnering-with-the-coalition/

You can argue the marketing part Sony does better but their studios don't really collaborate as much, we have Coalition and Obsidian both working with Undead Labs on SOD3 ....can you show me 3 Sony studios that actually develop games collaborating with each other?

While we're at it, Microsoft invest their IP's more than Sony

Under Microsoft we're getting a new Doom, revivals of Fable and Perfect Dark, Flight Sim, Age of Empires and Mythology

Under Sony, no new Bloodborne, not even a patch or a PC version, Resistance, Sly, Killzone, Socom, Sunset Overdrive, all in favor of churning out more Marvel slop

@PuppetMaster The idea that its something Sony exclusively does is a pile of crap, because what you described...everyone else does already

"Sony not just greenlit and funded the game but they also did the publishing, marketing, and helped with development process."

So does everyone else...do EA, Nintendo, Microosft, Sega not publish, market and help with the development process?

MS in particular had people help optimize Starfield and even delayed in 2 years (it was originally suppose to launch in 2021) and also are making investing into Id Tech per Phil back in 2021 when they first bought Bethesda

"But Sony has XDev and Sony Worldwide Studios who has job with helping development for 2nd and 3rd party games."

MS has their Advanced Technology Groups and other studios like The Coalition assisting other studios using Unreal Engine (which at this point is nearly all of their studios)

Again not something only Sony does

I'm not denying anything that you're saying in regards to Sony but its nothing Sony is doing that everyone else isn't....because everyone wants their game to be as pristine as possible, to market it as much as possible and to make sure its as good as possible so it actually sells well....there's no company who's saying

"gee golly we better not assist our studios because want to make sure the game doesn't succeed"

In regards to Doom Dark Ages, checks all the boxes, marketing the game (it was literally the show opener) publishing the game, investing in the studio, the technology etc and because its multiplatform the game will probably sell gangbusters which means the employees will likely get bonuses for meeting sales projections, I imagine this will happen when MS inevitably ports all of their games to Playstation (and even Switch 2)

@Mikey856 Because the Vita was trying to compete with the DS....the Steamdeck isn't a stand alone product and is basically an extension of your gaming PC

Also the Vita was a great product,

Xbox was the only one worth watching (and Astrobot)

Although Microsoft showed why they'll be the best publisher rather than a reason to buy an Xbox

Gears E Day on the PS5 Pro is going to look Godly

@The_Wailing_Doom Microsoft has owned Bethesda for 3.5 years now…question…who greenlit Doom Dark Ages? Who paid for the game to be made? Who’s making investments and pouring money into Id Tech?

I guess by your logic Sony isn’t making any Insomniac game either

Microsoft has owned Minecraft for nearly a decade now. Again who’s paying for the games continuous support? Who greenlit the Minecrsft Education Edition?

The whole “cultivated by PlayStation” talking point is a pile of crap…was Jim Ryan in the studios coding and QA testing? Was he graphics programming? No…all Sony did (and this goes for any company) is greenlit the game and fund development....when Insomniac was independent all Sony did was sign the paychecks, how long Insomniac has worked with Sony is irrelevant, Sony didn't own the studio until 2019, until then they didn't cultivate or grow sh*t

You can make this argument regarding Deathloop because that game was in development before the buyout but I’m sure you’d have no issue pinning Redfall on Microsoft 😂

Doom Dark Ages is the first Bethesda game made entirely under MS

@Mikey856 I don't know how many the Steamdeck has sold but Valve are clearly happy with it and they're not trying to compete with the Switch, more importantly that 3 million sales was from 2023

@OldGamer999 The most likely scenario is Microsoft Gaming becoming the top publisher but Xbox no longer being a competitor to Playstation and Nintendo

Microsoft Gaming has to be compared to other publishers like EA, Capcom, Ubisoft, Sega etc

The Xbox hardware itself should be compared to something like the Steamdeck....the Steamdeck sells well and is a very well liked product but Valve isn't losing sleep over not being able to sell as much as the Switch

This really is a W for everyone, Playstation gamers get virtually every game that's not a Nintendo game, Xbox gamers get their Game Pass, Microft makes bank, Sony makes money off the 30% cut,

@Mikey856 If MS sucked at making video games then why is an Xbox game at the top of the Playstation charts?

A better and more accurate statement would b e

"Xbox can make good video games but they're inconsistent and have management issues and poor messaging"

Doom Dark Ages is likely going to be one of the best games of 2025 so MS can indeed make good games, they just need to be more consistent which is why the showcase was so well received

The rest of this year we have Age of Mythology, Avowed and Indiana Jones, if all 3 are well received then what?

Minecraft is also top on PS4....you know at this point Satya is telling Phil and Co to start prepping PS5/Switch versions of ALL of their games

@naruball of angry more annoyed at this tossed still trying to cling to relevance

I’m by no means a Phil Spencer lover but at least the dude is employed and didn’t get booted and replaced like Layden did

Shawn Layden is a loser, dude was fired from Sony and replaced with Jim Ryan then ran off to go work for Tencent and the CCP 💀

As if Phil gave 2 ***** what Layden thinks

@MattBoothDev MS wouldn’t have gotten any more bad press than when Sony money hats, the difference these are now Microsoft franchises where Sony doesn’t own their third party exclusives

It’s simple …this was done because Xbox sales are tanking and Game Pass isn’t growing plus spending $70B for ABK

Every Ms game will go multiplat even Fable, Gears, PD etc

That being said I don’t really care, if Microsoft keeps dropping games like Doom then I’m glad they’re going multiplat because Xbox guys don’t buy games, Playststion gamers actually do buy games and MS wants to sell their games not just have people play them on Game Pass

@PloverNutter Starfield was never announcd for any platform and no, even games like Gears and Fable will go multiplat

If Microsoft cared about moving consoles, Doom would be exclusive

@Don_Corleone Literally nothing you said is true, there's zero evidence that Disney or Paramount said anything about Indiana Jones

Gears and Forza will 100% come to Playstation as well as Halo, Fable, Perfect Dark because Microsofot wants to actually SELL games and Xbox gamers don't buy games

Indiana Jones will come to Playstation because again, Microsoft wants to SELL games

Starfield will come to Playstation

Xbox and exclusivity are done

This is important, keeping your developers happy. I'm sure Coalition and Playground will be thrilled for Playstation players to play Gears and Fable when they inevitably come

@AhmadSumadi The comparison is stupid now, Microsoft is transitioning into a full third party publisher ala Sega

In a few years it'll just be Nintendo and Playstation while Microsoft acts as a arms dealer between them,

@UltimateOtaku91 There are Playstation fans excited because all of these are going to end up on Playstation which is why I said earlier that this only benefits you

You're flipping over nothing you 🤡

@UltimateOtaku91 Sea of Thieves has like a 69 on Metacritic and is topping the charts on Playstation, no one cares lol

Doom Dark Ages looks better than anything Sony has to offer, so does Monster Hunter, Microsoft and Capcom are doing more for your platform than Sony is lol Concord...give me a fking break

@UltimateOtaku91 The only good games there are Astro, Returnal and Helldivers 2

Concord looks bad lol and is going to get killed by the actual F2P hero shooters

@UltimateOtaku91 You need to stop looking at Microsoft as a competitor to Sony anymore, ALL of those games including Gears, Fable, Indiana Jones, Perfect Dark, Avowed etc will all end up on Playstation down the line

You SHOULD look at the Xbox hardware like the Steamdeck and you SHOULD look at Microsoft as a publisher like EA or Capcom now

You have no reason to be upset because if you're a Playstation gamer you're pretty much going to get nearly every game that isn't a Nintendo product or a PC centric game

In other words STOP CRYING, this show case being incredible is only good for you

With Doom, COD, World of Warcraft etc. Microsoft has become the most powerful publisher in the world....

All at the cost of making their console worthless...because yes...Gears and Fable, Indy and Avowed, Perfect Dark will all eventually go multiplat....Why?

Because the Series consoles are flops and Game Pass is stagnant, Microsoft conditioned its players to not buy games and instead play them on GP

Microsoft WANTS to sell games...they saw how well Grounded and Sea of Thieves sold on Playstation and you can bet that Gears and company will follow suit

This has now become a war between Sony and Nintendo with Microsoft being the arms dealer between them

Microsoft now becomes the most powerful publisher in the world...and it came at the cost of destroying its own console

@RoomWithaMoose Um no...Microsoft owns Doom lol no amount of your mental gymnastics will change that

@__jamiie No that's not what was said...this comment refers to existing games like ESO and Fallout 76....it was even confirmed ES6 would have been exclusive

Doom would be exclusive if Xbox consoles weren't a disaster right now....MS spent $80B on 2 publishers and want to make that money back

Expect ALL future MS games to go multiplat including Gears and Halo, the days of Xbox exclusivity are done

@Luigia Then people should buy an Xbox or a PC to play it, but MS threw it in the towel so it doesn't matter, ALL MS games will go multiplat

@R-Soub Microsoft is pretty much going full third party, by the start of next gen expect all MS games to be on PS5 day and date

Basically...Microsoft becomes the most powerful publisher on Earth....at the cost of killing its own platform and giving a middle finger to its own userbase

@DiggleDog Yeah get out of dodge only for them to crawl back to Microsoft and beg them to use their IP and to fund their next game

Its hilarious how people advocate for developers to go independent but when it comes time to pay bills expect big corporations to step in

@slayernz

"I always thought it was more of a knee-jerk reaction as PS was pumping out top quality exclusives while Xbox's hits were few and far between."

Nothing you say makes any logical sense....yes Microsoft knee jerked an $8 billion purchase of Zenimax and a $70B purchase of ABK because of....consoles.....sure nevermind that they've said numerous times that this was for growth in the mobile and PC market but yeah this was a knee jerk reaction to PS outselling Xbox even though they were outselling Xbox since like 2013

But sure, no long term planning or strategy, just Satya and Phil woke up one day and decided to buy ABK /sarcasm

Oh well, Microsoft becomes the worlds largest game publisher, and all it cost was giving a middle finger to Xbox players and throwing their console in the trash

Moral of the story: Never buy hardware from Microsoft

PC gaming here we come

@Bionic-Spencer To be fair most Sony games are low quality too, I mean Rise of the Ronin is a disaster and games like Returnal, Gran Turismo 7, Forspoken, Death Stranding are all terrible games or average at best, and most people hated TLOU2. Helldivers 2 is good at least

The rest of Sony games are just generic open world games, might as well play Assassins Creed Odyssey

@ThaBEN Limited Run Games is making the physical copies