However - don't give up on TLOU2 yet - play it through a few times before making an ultimate decision. Look past plot points that you may not wanted to happen... but did happen … it doesn't make the writing bad.
@thefirst
You can never ever get everyone happy. That is not the world we live in. Some even said TLOU1 was the ***** story ever.
if say 10% of a fanbase don't like it, then that's their opinion. My impression is that a large number like the game. Making sure everyone likes it is an impossible metric.
Although perhaps an alternate ending (choice based) or alternate story line as free DLC will be good... I will be up for that. But rewriting the story when it was amazing as it is... well it is disgraceful.
I completely disagree with those who say it was a disgrace to TLOU Ellie and Joel as both were very much in character and the execution was great. The flashback scenes were brilliant.
I came to enjoy playing as Abby - especially after my third playthrough. You can understand her... actually she is very much like Joel in some regards. Each and every conversation was a meaningful deep dive into the psyche of each and every character.
I can understand why some fans are disappointed and I get it favourite character gone and no more duo... But I didn't want a J and E game all over again … the magic of the first one cannot be trumped so a different approach had to be taken, a different story fuelled by the love that the in game characters and fans had for J and E.
I think people need to get over it now and accept the story for what it is.
As a side note I would love for some Left behind style DLC. -
Perhaps some more adventures with Joel pre Ellie... Joel and Tess or even Joel and Tommy would be amazing.
@LiamCroft Hi, I only now made an account in order to post on this in defence of moderated and mediated user scores. I have been following Push Square since 2012.
I think as a reviewer all views should be taken into account - I completely agree with the stupidity of review bombing, but there may be a genuine user who genuinely justifies a 2/10 score for example.
No hate here. Your comment does come across as defensive - but perhaps rightly so as you are part of Push square.
@Kafkaesque I understand your attitude and I am not offended in the slightest.
There does seem to be a developing trope and theme of entertainment taking on these themes in order to be viewed as diverse or suggest struggle... When really a character should be a character whether the character be gay, bisexual etc etc etc - and this can be fleshed out of course - but it shoudlnt be the selling point in sake of diversity. Yes diversity can be a great thing to aim for in entertainment, but it doesn't need to be explicitly spoken and briefed. At the end of the day Maggie who lives down a hypothetical street could be homosexual, bisexual heterosexual or whatever but she is still a Human and still likely makes a banging cup of tea with a smile on her face -
I think entertainment needs to stop perpetuating this. Although I do feel as though TLOU2 doesn't do this - as I never felt it was a plot driver - and the kiss was a kiss, I didn't think twice about - although I could be ignorant here.
@Scollurio Yes that was my hope for the franchise ideally. As I think the TLOU franchise has now become too controversial to continue it as a TLOU3 would just spark toxic attitudes in both departments.
I am hoping ND work on something slightly brighter in akin to the TLOU. I am slightly fed up of the "let us make a game that will tear out your heart every second" approach and would prefer a game with abit more light. If TLOU3 did launch and it was OTT dark then I think it will damage the game as it wouldn't be justified anymore.
@Kafkaesque I apologise if I offended you in any way with calling you a sheep but you did call me a lemming...
I understand your viewpoints but I too should not be a shill for agreeing that the game is very good. I also should not be reprimanded for wanting all user reviews to have some form of mediation and moderation to them - as in you should only be allowed to give a review if you have played the game as this is entirely fair. I do not want someone potentially ruining my view of the game simply because they don't like the look of it, but have not played it. This goes true for every single game out there.
@Scollurio Also yes the world is an odd place at the moment. - with lots of hatred and it can be hard to stomach - but for me this is what makes a story genuine.
I agree that the story is not as grand as the first game and hence in regards to story it does not surpass it as there was something special about TLOU ---- It could have been left as the only entry and that would be fine..
In my opinion, whilst I do like the last of us part 2 and I am glad in a sad way that they did it for closure... I think a complete standalone entry about a character elsewhere in the world or even in other states would have been a better option.
Gameplay, accessibility and visuals all surpass the TLOU1 and is a true evolution though - I enjoyed it. It is hard to truly say which is better overall.... as they have very different themes (artistically speaking too at times).
@Kafkaesque As a gamer I am happy sony stopped the leaks or tried to at least, as I was very disappointed when some fools youtube video game up on my recommendations with a blatant spoiler in the title. I would rather be disappointed myself rather than feeling disappointed because some fool has leaked it.
In regards to ND - im sure some of their practises such as crunching are very poor. But, All the poltical agenda pushing and harassment rumours i.e. being dubbed a homophobe for not agreeing are and have been proven completely false.... There was even a no-pay rumour going round yet they had paid every single employee whilst furloughing them.!...
@IronMike I completely agree. There is a scoring system, but I think that all user sites should give "verified purchase/playtime" certificate similar to amazon. I wouldn't link gamertags as that could be a security issue. But, perhaps you have to valid a digital receipt or a save file in order to get this certificate. As in a save file with at least 5 hours of gameplay. As you only want opinions (reviews) from people who have gotten a good sense of the game.
@Kafkaesque I don't think Ellie being a lesbian is a vehicle for criticism deflection at all. As, this is just her character. The themes that were leaked are seemingly untrue as in the game I never encountered any form of heavy political agenda pushing in the game. At least never any that mad me feel uncomfortable or that it was a plot driver as was leaked.
@Scollurio That is a fair point. Although I would disagree with it deconstructing the first game as the ending was justified. The theme I took from it was on the cycle of hatred.
Either way, I understand why fans would be disappointed as I too am disappointed in the sense that the events were indeed sad but not disappointed at the game. I found that characters were an evolution of what came before and it was justified also.
I'm glad you have made your mind up and I do feel gutpunched in the sense of it being sad. Not gut punched with the feeling of wasting my money on the special edition.
@Kafkaesque If you followed the leaks then it is pretty obvious you are a mindless sheep.
First off I make up my own mind, hence why I played it myself with some scepticism. Yes the story can be hard at times, but it is very well written and justified as such I cannot say it is a bad story just because I don't agree with some of the plot points. every action is in depth and every character has been constructed in a good way.
Gameplay is as good as the TLOU - if not better due to the expansion of it- although at times I find it forces some decisions upon you and can seem abit loose. But regardless the gameplay is solid and most importantly very fun.
@Scollurio Not really. I have already completed the story as been playing it since launch minute... don't judge.
The review bombs are partly a knee jerk to the success and hype around the franchise. The story is not disappointing in the sense that it is bad but rather just sad. Regardless gameplay is top notch and art design adds to it. Even if the story does not interest you the gameplay will most likely cover you. The game does not warrant a 0/10 purely because you think the story is bad. It is the story of the game after all and I thought it was well fleshed out, justified and the whole theme was to flip the protagonist and antagonist theme on its head. It is a game about consequences of actions and how these perpetuate the never ending cycle of human hatred. - For me this was brilliant. All be it dark and at times almost too dark to be enjoyable. Overall for me the game is a 96/100.
@IronMike All can get review bombed. I would look at the range of critic reviews and also take a look at user reviews as you can tell the review bombs apart from the sincere ones.
E.g. a few IGN outlets gave it a 7/10 - and they justified this well.
@Gary2503 Some people just simply want to ruin it for others because it is a successful franchise. Half of these people probably don't even own a PS4. Id imagine some backwards folk are annoyed that the main character is lesbian too - oh the world we live in. - Honestly I think backward thinkers need to be left in the dirt to rot.
Whoever are giving this game 0 purely to try and ruin it are literally pathetic.
One guy gave it: 10/10 for visuals 7/10 for gameplay - said it was too hard at times - turn the difficulty down then you silly lad/las 0/10 for story simply because they wanted something different to happen, then maybe you should be the writer for the story- but you are not are you? - silly sod this gave an overall rating of 0/10. I think someone needs to go back to school and learn how to take averages the silly sod
@Cornaboyzzz For some reason people take pride in wanting to ruin the game. I suppose the bigger the success the bigger the target from anti-fans.
I bet they were waiting with their "reviews" ready to copy and paste into the review section of Metacritic without playing the game probably. Stupid and pathetic if you ask me.
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Re: The Last of Us 2 Petition Demands Dramatic Story Alterations
@jdv95
completely agree with you here
Re: The Last of Us 2 Petition Demands Dramatic Story Alterations
@Constable_What
I like your way of thinking.
However - don't give up on TLOU2 yet - play it through a few times before making an ultimate decision. Look past plot points that you may not wanted to happen... but did happen … it doesn't make the writing bad.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Petition Demands Dramatic Story Alterations
@keihtg
I completely agree with you here.
Just because a fan favourite character goes---- doesn't mean the whole story is crap.
To me the narrative is as good as you would expect from a ND game.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Petition Demands Dramatic Story Alterations
@thefirst
You can never ever get everyone happy. That is not the world we live in. Some even said TLOU1 was the ***** story ever.
if say 10% of a fanbase don't like it, then that's their opinion. My impression is that a large number like the game. Making sure everyone likes it is an impossible metric.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Petition Demands Dramatic Story Alterations
So silly.
Although perhaps an alternate ending (choice based) or alternate story line as free DLC will be good... I will be up for that. But rewriting the story when it was amazing as it is... well it is disgraceful.
I completely disagree with those who say it was a disgrace to TLOU Ellie and Joel as both were very much in character and the execution was great. The flashback scenes were brilliant.
I came to enjoy playing as Abby - especially after my third playthrough. You can understand her... actually she is very much like Joel in some regards. Each and every conversation was a meaningful deep dive into the psyche of each and every character.
I can understand why some fans are disappointed and I get it favourite character gone and no more duo... But I didn't want a J and E game all over again … the magic of the first one cannot be trumped so a different approach had to be taken, a different story fuelled by the love that the in game characters and fans had for J and E.
I think people need to get over it now and accept the story for what it is.
As a side note I would love for some Left behind style DLC. -
Perhaps some more adventures with Joel pre Ellie... Joel and Tess or even Joel and Tommy would be amazing.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Scollurio
I suppose with a burger you could pick the cucumber out. Abit hard to do that to game code though haha.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@LiamCroft
Hi, I only now made an account in order to post on this in defence of moderated and mediated user scores. I have been following Push Square since 2012.
I think as a reviewer all views should be taken into account - I completely agree with the stupidity of review bombing, but there may be a genuine user who genuinely justifies a 2/10 score for example.
No hate here. Your comment does come across as defensive - but perhaps rightly so as you are part of Push square.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Kafkaesque
I understand your attitude and I am not offended in the slightest.
There does seem to be a developing trope and theme of entertainment taking on these themes in order to be viewed as diverse or suggest struggle... When really a character should be a character whether the character be gay, bisexual etc etc etc - and this can be fleshed out of course - but it shoudlnt be the selling point in sake of diversity. Yes diversity can be a great thing to aim for in entertainment, but it doesn't need to be explicitly spoken and briefed. At the end of the day Maggie who lives down a hypothetical street could be homosexual, bisexual heterosexual or whatever but she is still a Human and still likely makes a banging cup of tea with a smile on her face -
I think entertainment needs to stop perpetuating this. Although I do feel as though TLOU2 doesn't do this - as I never felt it was a plot driver - and the kiss was a kiss, I didn't think twice about - although I could be ignorant here.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@GenevieveD
I have to agree with you here. Reviewers should be level headed.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Scollurio
Yes that was my hope for the franchise ideally. As I think the TLOU franchise has now become too controversial to continue it as a TLOU3 would just spark toxic attitudes in both departments.
I am hoping ND work on something slightly brighter in akin to the TLOU. I am slightly fed up of the "let us make a game that will tear out your heart every second" approach and would prefer a game with abit more light. If TLOU3 did launch and it was OTT dark then I think it will damage the game as it wouldn't be justified anymore.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@KingPev
Im trying to minimise my use of bad language and sod sounds equally as sadistic as much worse words. te-he-he.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Kafkaesque
I apologise if I offended you in any way with calling you a sheep but you did call me a lemming...
I understand your viewpoints but I too should not be a shill for agreeing that the game is very good. I also should not be reprimanded for wanting all user reviews to have some form of mediation and moderation to them - as in you should only be allowed to give a review if you have played the game as this is entirely fair. I do not want someone potentially ruining my view of the game simply because they don't like the look of it, but have not played it. This goes true for every single game out there.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Gary2503
Yes that is a fair and very agreeable viewpoint.
User scores should be kept to those who have played the game.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Scollurio
Also yes the world is an odd place at the moment. - with lots of hatred and it can be hard to stomach - but for me this is what makes a story genuine.
I agree that the story is not as grand as the first game and hence in regards to story it does not surpass it as there was something special about TLOU ---- It could have been left as the only entry and that would be fine..
In my opinion, whilst I do like the last of us part 2 and I am glad in a sad way that they did it for closure... I think a complete standalone entry about a character elsewhere in the world or even in other states would have been a better option.
Gameplay, accessibility and visuals all surpass the TLOU1 and is a true evolution though - I enjoyed it. It is hard to truly say which is better overall.... as they have very different themes (artistically speaking too at times).
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Scollurio
Thank you for being genuine. No offense as this is a discussion after all.
I respect your views also.
I never thought that the lesbian rope was pushed for the sake of "look we have diversity" - although others can disagree.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Kafkaesque
Never have I associated Ellies suffering with her being lesbian....
This is never made apparent in the game.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Kafkaesque
As a gamer I am happy sony stopped the leaks or tried to at least, as I was very disappointed when some fools youtube video game up on my recommendations with a blatant spoiler in the title. I would rather be disappointed myself rather than feeling disappointed because some fool has leaked it.
In regards to ND - im sure some of their practises such as crunching are very poor. But, All the poltical agenda pushing and harassment rumours i.e. being dubbed a homophobe for not agreeing are and have been proven completely false.... There was even a no-pay rumour going round yet they had paid every single employee whilst furloughing them.!...
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@IronMike
I completely agree. There is a scoring system, but I think that all user sites should give "verified purchase/playtime" certificate similar to amazon. I wouldn't link gamertags as that could be a security issue. But, perhaps you have to valid a digital receipt or a save file in order to get this certificate. As in a save file with at least 5 hours of gameplay. As you only want opinions (reviews) from people who have gotten a good sense of the game.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Kafkaesque
I don't think Ellie being a lesbian is a vehicle for criticism deflection at all. As, this is just her character. The themes that were leaked are seemingly untrue as in the game I never encountered any form of heavy political agenda pushing in the game. At least never any that mad me feel uncomfortable or that it was a plot driver as was leaked.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Scollurio
That is a fair point. Although I would disagree with it deconstructing the first game as the ending was justified. The theme I took from it was on the cycle of hatred.
Either way, I understand why fans would be disappointed as I too am disappointed in the sense that the events were indeed sad but not disappointed at the game. I found that characters were an evolution of what came before and it was justified also.
I'm glad you have made your mind up and I do feel gutpunched in the sense of it being sad. Not gut punched with the feeling of wasting my money on the special edition.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@JapaneseSonic
I wouldn't say that.. slightly too defensive... whilst they do seem to be following sheep, they shouldn't be branded that way.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Kafkaesque
If you followed the leaks then it is pretty obvious you are a mindless sheep.
First off I make up my own mind, hence why I played it myself with some scepticism. Yes the story can be hard at times, but it is very well written and justified as such I cannot say it is a bad story just because I don't agree with some of the plot points. every action is in depth and every character has been constructed in a good way.
Gameplay is as good as the TLOU - if not better due to the expansion of it- although at times I find it forces some decisions upon you and can seem abit loose. But regardless the gameplay is solid and most importantly very fun.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Scollurio
Not really. I have already completed the story as been playing it since launch minute... don't judge.
The review bombs are partly a knee jerk to the success and hype around the franchise. The story is not disappointing in the sense that it is bad but rather just sad. Regardless gameplay is top notch and art design adds to it. Even if the story does not interest you the gameplay will most likely cover you. The game does not warrant a 0/10 purely because you think the story is bad. It is the story of the game after all and I thought it was well fleshed out, justified and the whole theme was to flip the protagonist and antagonist theme on its head. It is a game about consequences of actions and how these perpetuate the never ending cycle of human hatred. - For me this was brilliant. All be it dark and at times almost too dark to be enjoyable. Overall for me the game is a 96/100.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@IronMike
All can get review bombed. I would look at the range of critic reviews and also take a look at user reviews as you can tell the review bombs apart from the sincere ones.
E.g. a few IGN outlets gave it a 7/10 - and they justified this well.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Kafkaesque
And here is one of those it seems....
we all know who gave this game a 0/10 on Metacritic. backwards thinker it seems.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Gary2503
Some people just simply want to ruin it for others because it is a successful franchise. Half of these people probably don't even own a PS4. Id imagine some backwards folk are annoyed that the main character is lesbian too - oh the world we live in. - Honestly I think backward thinkers need to be left in the dirt to rot.
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
Whoever are giving this game 0 purely to try and ruin it are literally pathetic.
One guy gave it:
10/10 for visuals
7/10 for gameplay - said it was too hard at times - turn the difficulty down then you silly lad/las
0/10 for story simply because they wanted something different to happen, then maybe you should be the writer for the story- but you are not are you? - silly sod
this gave an overall rating of 0/10. I think someone needs to go back to school and learn how to take averages the silly sod
Re: Of Course The Last of Us 2 Is Being Review Bombed
@Cornaboyzzz
For some reason people take pride in wanting to ruin the game. I suppose the bigger the success the bigger the target from anti-fans.
I bet they were waiting with their "reviews" ready to copy and paste into the review section of Metacritic without playing the game probably. Stupid and pathetic if you ask me.