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Ralizah

@RogerRoger Thanks! It seems like this newest entry is drawing new eyes to the series for some reason, so I'm encouraged to hear that more people are becoming aware of it.

Really, WF's next project should be making the GBC original playable on multiple systems. Right now, only 3DS owners are able to enjoy the first and one of the best games in the series, which is a shame.

Currently Playing: Resident Evil Village: Gold Edition

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Thrillho

@Ralizah

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the game!

The game is certainly a drop off from Y0 but is a fun game in it's own right. The sub stories really do feel lacking compared to Y0 and YK2 doesn't do that much better either (while Y3 has waaaay too many).

Majima is one of my favourite characters from any gaming series though. Y0 is great in seeing how his character develops but he is at his peak craziness in YK1. The Majima Everywhere mechanic is good fun but overstays its welcome and, like you say, takes up far too much of the game time. The Kiryu/Majima relationship is pretty central to the series (as far as I've got) and it's fun to see how it changes.

One of his forms is so weird and unexpected that it actually shocked me.

Would that be the hostess one per chance?

Like you say, the multiple combat styles is a carry over from Y0 and is dropped in YK2. The overwhelming upgrade wheel is also a bit of a mess and each game tinkers with this with varying levels of success. Brawler is obviously the staple fighting style but I do miss the Rush style for some fights.

The YK1 boss fights are some of the worst in the series with the health mechanic you mention. It seems stupid that they can be stopped with specific heat attacks which you only get late in the game. All the games in the series have an issue where standard fights can be too easy and then boss fights too far the other way.

The hostess "mini-game" is a pain and lots of the games have sub stories that you only unlock after fully romancing women. The whole series' attitude to women isn't great and I never liked the fact Kiryu spends all that time (and money!) to get these women in bed in order to get sub stories and loads of XP.

I hope you enjoy the rest of the series! YK2 has an excellent story as well and one of the best antagonists.

Thrillho

Thrillho

@Ralizah I also wanted to say I've never heard of the Shantae series but enjoyed your thoughts on the game/series too.

Thrillho

Ralizah

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nessisonett

@Ralizah Yeah, I played Kiwami straight after 0 and it was a bit of a step down. At the same time, it’s still classic Yakuza and everything great about the series is still there! Majima is just so good and I did love the Everywhere mechanic, they got increasingly elaborate as it went on.

@Thrillho Women aren’t exactly a big part of Yakuza! Lmao, Sayumi in Yakuza 3.
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Ralizah

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PSN: Ralizah

Ralizah

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy It could be the shorter length of the review itself, but I usually spend multiple days composing my reviews, whereas the HLD one took... an hour, maybe? I literally beat it this morning. So maybe. Although it's still not bad enough to real rip into, other than that godawful modern art masterpiece they call a map.

But yeah, the game sort of came and went, and... eh.

shrugs

Glad you enjoyed reading the Yakuza review. The series is sort of interesting, because you look at stuff online and think: "Gosh dang it, this sounds like the quirkiest Japanese thing ever." And, I mean, it's up there, but the games do a good job of sucking you into their world. The weirdness starts to feel like an organic aspect of the setting. Even the "lolsorandom" bits with Majima don't really stand out in the grand scheme of things because of the way his relationship with Kiryu is grounded.

But yeah, I'd recommend getting into these games. This is apparently one of the worst ones, and, some issues aside, I still pretty thoroughly enjoyed my time with it.

If you're only going to play one, I hear Yakuza Zero is the place to be, since it's one of the most polished games in the series and, being a prequel, doesn't really assume you know anything about the other games.

Or, if you're more of a turn-based person, Yakuza: Like a Dragon is apparently another good starting place and is releasing sometime near the end of the year. And that'll be a brand new release in the West!

Currently Playing: Resident Evil Village: Gold Edition

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Th3solution

@Ralizah Kudos for being such a prolific reviewer this last couple weeks! I always enjoy reading your opinions and your excellent writing style.

Shantae is the game that I’m most ambivalent toward that you reviewed recently, but it was an interesting read and discussion. I have to admit, it’s garnered enough attention and so many sequels that it has my attention now at least. Perhaps I’ll give one a try someday.

I was really taken with your informative Yakuza Kiwami review. Mostly because I currently sit in a very similar place as you did previously, as I’ve also played about 20-30 hours of Yakuza Zero and was enjoying it but couldn’t quite keep the momentum going so I never completed it. And now it’s been about 2 years since I played it and I’m not sure I’ll remember where I am and how to play. I think the “condensed Witcher 3” gameplay world is an apt description, because of the sheer volume of distractions and side content that seems to go on forever. (I also got bogged down with W3 and need to go back one day) Then couple the enormity of the game with the fact that there are, what ... 8 other main games in the series now if you include the new one coming and Judgement? My obsessive compulsive nature makes it hard for me to try and play them out of order also. Especially since there are narrative connections between the entries that I wouldn’t want to miss out on. So although I think it sounds best to jump from Zero to Kiwami 2 due to K1 being the weakest of the series, I don’t think I could bring myself to skip it. But reading your review has me interested to maybe put in Zero again at least and see if that get me excited enough about the series again.

And Hyper Light Drifter is a game I’ve kept a passing interest in and I’m kind of just waiting for it to drop onto PS Plus one day. And even if it does, after reading your experience with it I may not want to spend the time on it.

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nessisonett

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy I’d recommend Zero to start with too. I started with that one and while a few of the in-jokes went over my head, it provides the perfect opening to the series and re-introduces a lot of the characters. I reckon I’ll replay it once I make my way through the series just to experience some of those in-jokes as they were intended!

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mookysam

@Ralizah Stellar bundle of reviews and enjoyable, informative reads. The new Shantae sounds like it would be much more up my alley than its predecessor (which I think I'll skip). I've got the Wii U and DSi games languishing on various hard drives, so I think the release of Seven Sirens has given me a bit of a push to get into the series sooner rather than later.
Yakuza is another series I'd really like to get into. The number of games to play is a little intimidating at this point!

@RogerRoger It's a shame that you found Episode I Racer disappointing given your love of the film. I guess as with many, many other games of the era (and on that particular system) it's reputation has a bit (lot?) of that "had to be there at the time" nostalgia going on. That's not to say that there aren't great games on the system, but you know what I mean! I do remember it being highly praised when it was released, but detached from that period and viewed through a modern lens I don't blame you for finding it dated. It's funny you mention speed, because to hit 60fps and have quite fast vehicle movement in Nintendo's own F-Zero X they had to drastically reduce the complexity of the visuals. I wonder if that trade-off would have been worth it here? The sound is also perhaps a result of the system's tiny storage media.

Beast? How dare you.

Ralizah

@RogerRoger Sorry to hear you weren't a huge fan of the N64 remaster, although it does answer my question about whether I should pick it up or not. If a Star Wars otaku like yourself is having trouble enjoying yourself with it, I probably would get comparatively little from it. I think this remaster's primary audience was people who enjoyed the game back on the N64, honestly.

I appreciate you factoring in the possibility of nostalgia bias, but I don't find it hard at all to believe that a PS2 racing game stands the test of time better than one on the N64. It's not just graphics: technically demanding, mechanics-heavy games like racers would have benefited tremendously from the boost in hardware. RPGs still tend to hold up well on old hardware, but most other genres suffer in comparison.

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy I basically knew how I felt about HLD as soon as I was done with it, so it was simple enough to belt out a piece on it in one go. I'm sure there's probably some deep lore or symbolism or something I'm missing out on, but I'll just have to take that hit. I accurately reflected the game as well as my experience with the game, and that's all I ever set out to do.

Something like FFVII Remake sits at the other end of the spectrum for me. I have so much history with and adoration for the original that my emotions regarding the Remake are still a sort of undefined slurry that I'm having a difficult time working through. I'm still not really sure how to approach it while being as non-partisan as I strive to be.

@mookysam There are an obscene number of good games waiting to be played, and so little time to really get to them. Especially as an adult.

I thought the same about Yakuza. And, honestly, the sheer volume of content to engage with was one reason I kind of let the excellent Yakuza Zero go when I did. Kiwami, even with its padding issues, is still a much tighter experience, so it's not quite as intimidating.

But yeah, there's SO MUCH Yakuza. Seven games to date. Soon to be eight. That'll go up to nine if you include Judgment, which, as far as I understand it, is practically a Yakuza game. Ten if you include that Fist of the North Star game where the combat feels eerily similar to Yakuza.

Glad to hear you're thinking about getting into Shantae. There's a lot of charm and history to that series, so I think it's a worthwhile time investment for anyone who is into platformers as a genre.

@Th3solution Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to read my walls of text.

Kiwami might be a bit underwhelming coming off the back of Zero, but I think, on its own, it's still a fun enough experience. It's definitely not something I'd skip. If nothing else, the Majima Everywhere mechanic NEEDS to be experienced, and, as far as I'm aware, it's the foundational story for the rest of the series.

If nothing else, the similarities between Zero and Kiwami (primarily in terms of the battle system) would make it easier for you to transition from one to the other.

RE: HLD, I think waiting for PS+ might not be a bad idea. A lot of people seem to think it's some sort of masterfully crafted experience, anyway. It's a bit surreal to read posts from people online about how it "reduced them to tears." I feel like I must have played a radically different game than a lot of these people.

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nessisonett

@Ralizah I wouldn’t worry too much about HLD, I personally liked it and would say it was about a low 8 but I completely understood where you were coming from. Games are like everything else, entirely subjective and even when you look at us lot, we all have different tastes. I mean, Foxy didn’t even like Nier:Automata, god forbid😉 There’s people out there who don’t like Ocarina of Time for lacking Dark Souls-esque combat (don’t ask, that review haunts me) and there’s people who love even the trashiest of trashy fan-service games. That’s why this thread is so important, sometimes our opinions can change about games just by hearing about other people’s experiences and we can give them another go and appreciate them more/find some flaws. I’m sure I’ll be convinced to give Bloodborne another go at some point despite my feelings 😂😂

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mookysam

@Ralizah So many games, so little time. I think I'd need a year or two to get up to date with Yakuza given how long they are, but that's okay. And by then they'll be on Yakuza 12. I'm wondering if Judgement can be played independently of the overachieving Yakuza story. Mostly because it's the only game I actually own at this point. Fist of the North Star can sit in the "maybe" pile for now. L

@RogerRoger Sound is definitely one of those areas where the N64 was at a disadvantage. Partly because of the storage medium and also because developers often offloaded sound to the CPU (which lacked direct memory access) in order to squeeze more out of the visuals. It's a bizarre system. Anyhoo, I'd recommend F-Zero GX over the N64 one as it's considerably better, has a proper story mode and is a real technical showcase for the GameCube.

Beast? How dare you.

Thrillho

@Ralizah Going back to Yakuza (I wanted to wait until I was on my laptop to address each point).

I haven't played the entire series yet (I just finished Y4 and need to put some thought down at some point) but Zero is still the most fun game so far and is certainly the most impressive in scope. It's done well though in that it's a great introduction to the series for newcomers but has loads of nods to the rest of the series that you'd only really get after playing the others. It was also fun to play so much as Majima and have all the combat styles that he then uses against you in YK1.

I have no issue with the fact the Kiwami games and the 3-5 remakes are lifted from the originals (Kiwami 1 has some scenes that link it to Zero though) but you do have to consider it when going from Zero to what were PS2 games. But seriously, how impressive must they have been at the time??

Majima isn't such a focus in the other games so far but he's still a central character and it's a real love/hate relationship between him and Kiryu.

The combat changes in later games pretty much mean that brawler is the only style but with plenty of upgrades. I forget how the system worked in YK2 as they tinker with it so much game to game. Y3 goes so far the other way with a really rudimentary system but all the games give you a lot of the same moves to play with as Kiryu; Tiger Drop will always be there for you!

As for hostesses, Zero and YK2 have the cabaret club mini-game which is rather infamous for being addictive and good fun to work through. Being able to visit hostess clubs is in every game though and Y4 is the first one I remember that doesn't have sub stories tied to fully romancing hostesses. A lot of the others can only be 100 percented by doing so (and every game has a special fight that is only unlocked after completing every sub story).

Again, good luck with the series if and when you go back to it! I'm looking forward to getting around to the final two games at some point but need a good break between each of them.

Thrillho

Thrillho

Oh and I forgot to say @nessisonett that gif is perfect for the character you mention (even if you spelt the name wrong )

Thrillho

nessisonett

@Thrillho Oh lord, so I did. Bloody autocorrect 😂😂

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Ralizah

@nessisonett Oh, definitely. I'm just very sensitive to detecting and isolating perceived bias in my own judgments. When my experience conflicts with the popular opinion on something, I do like to interrogate that and find out why.

In the case of HLD, one bit of bias sticks out to me: I'm not huge on games with a cryptic approach to storytelling. Granted, there are exceptions (I loved Hollow Knight and Shadow of the Colossus and liked The Witness well enough), but I feel like, while it can be done well, it's just as often a sort of cheat smaller developers can use to escape from the need to tell a proper story.

Sort of like the abstract, free verse poetry I'd submit in school when I didn't want to bother with tracking metre in an established form. I did put in some effort, but, if I'm being brutally honest, it was more often the case that I was the right combination of lazy and pretentious to pull it off and still get good marks.

But that experience is baggage I bring with me when playing and talking about something. And, when possible, I do want to adjust for that. It's impossible and undesirable to take the subjectivity out of opinion pieces and reviews, but I do think there is something to be said for writing with an audience (real or perceived) in mind, and doing your best to remain as critical and open-minded as possible in order not to betray a link of trust that is forged with the reader.

nessisonett wrote:

I’m sure I’ll be convinced to give Bloodborne another go at some point despite my feelings 😂😂

You're a Souls fan, right? I'm genuinely wasn't aware you weren't big on Bloodborne.

@RogerRoger You don't owe me an apology for anything. I'm just happy to see you contributing. I really like the very conversational voice you bring to your pieces. I lean so heavily on one side of the "reviews and user impressions thread" that I feel like your funny and less rigidly structured pieces help to correct the balance somewhat.

And thanks! I surprised myself with how quickly I blew through Yakuza Kiwami, actually. I expected to be occupied with it for weeks, but it ended up being one of those games that I couldn't really tear myself away from. Looking at it dispassionately, it has issues, but I think the level of enthusiasm even the worst games in this series seem to engender in the people playing them says more about their ultimate worth as a form of entertainment than anything else.

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nessisonett

@Ralizah I definitely agree with your thoughts on cryptic storytelling. Sometimes it can work well like the aforementioned examples of Hollow Knight and SotC but ones like the Souls games just never sat right with me. If a game requires you to go on the wiki for hours and look up ‘lore’ to understand the plot then it’s failed as a storytelling medium imo.

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