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nessisonett

@Kidfried @Ralizah From what I played before deciding it just wasn’t for me, it was definitely apparent that a few of the ‘damning moments’ used against Catherine were in fact just things Vincent said. Now Vincent is absolutely not set up in any way to be a nice person, he’s a garbage human therefore I don’t see much point in picking apart all the terrible things he says. It’s like Ross from Friends, all these people on Buzzfeed and stuff going on about how he’s the worst character ever but that was the point, he’s supposed to be terrible. Without spoiling anything, there are some definite ‘oof’ moments later on but I still maintain that it’s a good game that just isn’t for me and definitely deals with certain things badly. That being said, it was Japan in 2011, attitudes have shifted massively worldwide.

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Ralizah

@nessisonett @Kidfried I like how the game uses subtle clues in the dialogue to tie the world together. I met some guy in the bar who remembered Vincent from kindergarten, and who I suspected was kind of hurt when Vincent didn't remember him (a relatable situation; if I had a nickel for every time I bumped into someone who knew my name, but I couldn't even recall where I had met them...). Later on in the dream world, I meet a sheep who seems like he's sulking about that exact situation, suggesting he's the guy from the bar.

The game itself very obviously adopts a notion of gender essentialism that I can't really relate to, but I'm sure other people can. I imagine a lot of people who aren't in the "buzzfeed crowd" and who get offended by re-runs of 90's sitcoms probably also find it relatable. And I think anyone can probably relate to finding themselves in a situation where they feel outmaneuvered and trapped by the people around them.

Vincent is an interesting character precisely because of how flawed and ordinary he is. He's the sort of person I wouldn't get along with IRL, and, from the outside, I'd find his situation infuriating (I still do, actually), so it's interesting stepping into his shoes and inhabiting that headspace.

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nessisonett

@Ralizah Vincent’s that one friend everyone has who makes terrible life choices but constantly bemoans their situation and asks you for advice (really just to moan) while totally disregarding what you’re saying. That’s part of why I stopped playing it, I really disliked Vincent as a person and as much as I’m OK with flawed characters, he really was terrible and I find it hard to get motivated to play when his choices just did my head in. I assume there’ll be a redemption arc at some point. I still think Catherine was a big step forward in telling mature stories about sex and relationships in games though, albeit with rather a few caveats. A lot of games treat relationships (and mostly with women) as plot devices, with your dead wife trope, your generic playful banter between the two leads etc. Catherine tells a story of human relationships, warts and all. Thinking about it, I can’t really name many games with great love stories to be honest. Mario and Peach? BroShep and Garrus, at least in my headcanon? The only game I can think of that made me actually feel something about a canonical pairing was Tidus and Yuna, which felt both natural and was integral to the overall plot. Contrast that with FFXV’s weird romantic subplot, where they spent about 5 seconds on screen together and had zero chemistry. Noctis has more chemistry with each of his yaoi stereotype ‘friends’, I mean look at them, there’s ‘dad’ boi who cooks, ‘abs’ boi who likes nature and dotes on his sister and your generic twink with a tragic backstory. We need more games with actual romance rather than me being left to fill the void with awful subtext 😂😂

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nessisonett

@Ralizah Oh man, that’s great news, the original is great but I have to dig out my 3DS to play it. Really, really cool for them to revisit it and I know you’ll be all over that physical copy!

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Ralizah

@nessisonett The Switch physical was surprising enough, but they're reprinting the GBC cartridge?!

That game costs hundreds of dollars to play on the original hardware.

Risky's Revenge is coming as well. The entire series will be availabe on Switch.

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nessisonett

@Ralizah Now I have no excuse not to catch up on the series, this is seriously cool of them to do.

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Kidfried

@Ralizah "I like how the game uses subtle clues in the dialogue to tie the world together."

This is done so brilliantly if you ask me. I think it really makes the world, but also the game's themes, come to life.

"And I think anyone can probably relate to finding themselves in a situation where they feel outmaneuvered and trapped by the people around them.."

Yea, I think that, even when you feel like your like you're unlike Vincent in every way, you might still be able to relate in so many ways. For example: how many milennials these days feel like their life is going nowhere, or how people can feel trapped in relationships, careers, etc.

What I'm trying to say, though not so eloquently and trying not to use too many words, is that there is a lot in this game to unpack, analyze, et cetera.

"Vincent is an interesting character precisely because of how flawed and ordinary he is. He's the sort of person I wouldn't get along with IRL, and, from the outside, I'd find his situation infuriating (I still do, actually), so it's interesting stepping into his shoes and inhabiting that headspace."

To be honest, and that's why it is strange to read comments like this one and by @nessisonett is that I can relate to Vincent in many ways actually. And yes, he's kind of a jerk, but what sets him apart from a one-dimensional character like Ross (I hate friends, haha) is that his actions are coming from his own insecurities, rather than him being a dork-end-of-story. The different endings definitely support that too.

I mean, he's clearly pretty unsure about the way his life is heading. I'd even go as far to say that he's clearly not happy about the path his life has taken, but he finds it hard to confront that. And his response is 'flight'. He goes to bars to forget about his life, his relation problems. He drinks a lot, also to escape from reality. And in a way Catherine also provides an escape from his life.

Obviously these are all unhealthy ways to be dealing that kind of stuff, but in a way it's a natural response as well.

"That being said, it was Japan in 2011, attitudes have shifted massively worldwide."

Not only that, but even if it were released today, I think this game is forward thinking and progressive (I don't mean progressive in the political sense; I hate how the meaning of that word changed in the last two decades) in so many ways, that I am very forgiving with it. I guess you said something like that already, though, haha.

" I still think Catherine was a big step forward in telling mature stories about sex and relationships in games though, albeit with rather a few caveats. A lot of games treat relationships (and mostly with women) as plot devices, with your dead wife trope, your generic playful banter between the two leads etc. Catherine tells a story of human relationships, warts and all. Thinking about it, I can’t really name many games with great love stories to be honest."

Yea, this, a lot of this. Catherine ain't the best 'love story', but it's one of the best stories about love on the medium.

"We need more games with actual romance rather than me being left to fill the void with awful subtext 😂😂"

Definitely. It's strange how we've become so accepting of the boring way in which love is portrayed in video games. The only game that comes to mind that had some interesting plot points regarding love was Red Dead Redemption 2; but even that didn't come close to the stuff we see in Catherine of course.

Kidfried

nessisonett

@Kidfried You make a good point about Red Dead 2 actually, I forgot just how amazing that one mission was, where you take Abigail out around Blackwater. It’s strange how few and far between actual games that have a proper canonical romantic element are, it’s one of the main types of media after all. I wonder why so many games treat it as a ‘minigame’ of sorts, or it being left up to the player to decide on a partner. All this talk is actually making me want to try Catherine again, it’s been a while after all and perhaps I’ll take to it slightly better this time. I still find some of the Erica stuff extremely iffy but to be honest, I really like Gone with the Wind as a movie so it’s the same sorta deal for me.

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kyleforrester87

The best love story in a video game is BJ and Anya in Wolfenstein: The New Order.

And Zidane and Garnet in FF9, of course.

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nessisonett

The WayForward game is Bakugan. Literally a Beyblade knock-off toy from about 10 years ago. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

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Ralizah

That was the worst video game-related stream I've ever watched in my life. Both Paper Mario and... whatever that WF game was just looked really terrible. I hope The Origami King gets better later on, because that footage was... yikes.

@nessisonett The news that Shantae's GBC cart was being reprinted set the cosmic order out of balance. We needed something cripplingly disappointing to balance it back out.

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nessisonett

@Ralizah Yeah, Paper Mario does look rather rubbish, definitely not a full price purchase. I have no words for Pokemon-wannabe #9. I wonder if Nintendo actually have any real announcements in the works, if E3 was going ahead then they would have been screwed because the future looks absolutely barren.

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Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy

What was wrong with Origami King @Ralizah?

You sounded a little more optimistic with some of the recent news about it... I think? 😅

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crimsontadpoles

Seemed weird to tease Bakugan as a WayForward game before the reveal. People were going to expect the game to be a charming 2D game similar to Shantae/Mighty Switch Force, or a decent metroidvania like The Mummy Demastered. But instead, it ends up being a fairly generic 3D monster trainer game.

Ralizah

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy The people playing the game in the stream went through multiple battles, and I don't even remember seeing anything attack Mario until the boss battle.

And the boss battle itself was also disappointing. It's a pack of colored pencils. They make some bad stationary-related puns, you do some weird mini-game to attack the boss, and then repeat this same procedure over and over. The boss barely damages Mario itself.

The gameplay is running around finding toads hidden everywhere. Dozens and dozens of toads.

My nephew is excited for it, so I'm still getting it, but I'm going to tear this game a new one in my review if it stays this bad.

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Ralizah

@crimsontadpoles It literally looked like a Sword and Shield bootleg. Battles make no sense. Your monsters battle each-other, and you play a kid who runs around throwing what look like frisbees at the monster.

WF has made some of my favorite games. Words cannot express my disappointment.

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Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy

Ralizah wrote:

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy The people playing the game in the stream went through multiple battles, and I don't even remember seeing anything attack Mario until the boss battle.

And the boss battle itself was also disappointing. It's a pack of colored pencils. They make some bad stationary-related puns, you do some weird mini-game to attack the boss, and then repeat this same procedure over and over. The boss barely damages Mario itself.

The gameplay is running around finding toads hidden everywhere. Dozens and dozens of toads.

My nephew is excited for it, so I'm still getting it, but I'm going to tear this game a new one in my review if it stays this bad.

... Oooof.

I'll have to give it a look myself but that doesn't sound particularly great @Ralizah. I know people were rather displeased about Sticker Star and Colour Splash and hoping this paper Mario would be better.

I really do hope it's better for you all then what the stream seemed to show

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Ralizah

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy Paper Mario fans are a desperate lot. The series has gotten so bad that seeing a toad with a hat or a mustache with an actual name becomes an occasion for excitement.

@KratosMD lol

I have seen them, but I guess I expected... more mechanics? SOME challenge? SOMETHING?

I don't object to the lack of XP or the stationary bosses on principle. I think the bosses fit the theme, and I actually rather like that rubber band monster.

But that extended boss battle footage was NOT good.

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