unpopular opinion : i think if all games were M rated they would be a lot better because a “Mature” game allows more freedom, depth, and creativity - take that how u want , but i mean in a general sense & not just blatant exploiting for shock-value . Imagine a M rated Sly cooper , id love it .
and to back up my claim even more , look at games like Halo , Dead or Alive , & Arkham knight , neither games are “shocking” or “too far” for lack of better word , so it’s not like a M-rating automatically equates to an exaggerated connotation of what someone might think . Any lower ESRB rating just causes limitations and restraint
& besides , who actually knew any kids that said their parents only let them have E-rated games ?
@nomither6 I’m not sure I follow. I think you mean that you want more options in open worlds and choices that don’t needlessly tone down sex and violence when it would fit the setting — but I hardly see the point in a M-rated version of Minecraft or Tetris or Katamari, etc. I guess we could get an M-rated Gran Turismo if the driver just drops a bunch of F-bombs when he misses a turn and then when you crash you see blood splatter all over the dashboard… but I hardly see the point.
I do find it ironic that many E-rated games have substantial violence at their core. They still involve killing enemies, crashing violently, or falling fatefully to our deaths. If it’s all portrayed in a cutesy art-style it doesn’t bother parents so much, I guess.
It is true that sometimes I can tell that developers rein in their content due to wanting to hit at targeted rating. So they may withhold sex/nudity or violence in order to keep the T rating, when perhaps the game would benefit from the mature content. The opposite happens sometimes too, where a game has pointless gratuitous violence or sex just to get the M-rating. I think that developers should make the game they want and then whatever rating it ends up as, they just have to live with it. Unfortunately, that’s not the way that business works. If Hogwarts Legacy had a mission where you used the invisibility charm to spy on the girls shower, or if battles zoomed in to show graphical detail of the enemies heads getting exploded by a boulder you cast at them, then I seriously doubt it would be selling nearly as well. It would basically abandon its target audience. Likewise, if the next GTA doesn’t have sex and copious lewdness, violence, and profanity then it will no doubt be a commercial disappointment. There’s a place in gaming for all maturity ratings.
As for that M-rated Sly Copper game, maybe you’ll get that seeing as Sucker Punch has gradually ramped up the grittiness of their games.
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Not to pile on or anything but, for the record, chalk up another person who thinks that The Lost Legacy is the highlight of the entire Uncharted series.
If only they'd replaced Sam Drake with Sully. Then it would've been perfect.
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@Th3solution '' I think that developers should make the game they want and then whatever rating it ends up as, they just have to live with it.''
Basically, the gist of what im saying.
''Unfortunately, that’s not the way that business works. If Hogwarts Legacy had a mission where you used the invisibility charm to spy on the girls shower, or if battles zoomed in to show graphical detail of the enemies heads getting exploded by a boulder you cast at them, then I seriously doubt it would be selling nearly as well. ''
That is unfortunate; also, another thing that holds back creativity in gaming is the business side of thing$. But like I said earlier, a game doesn't have to be ''extreme'' to get an M rating, i listed examples. Devs are afraid of that M getting slapped on their game.
''As for that M-rated Sly Copper game, maybe you’ll get that seeing as Sucker Punch has gradually ramped up the grittiness of their games.''
I had forgotten what gritty means , so i had to look it up and got this - "Gritty is often used to describe things that are dark and edgy. If a movie is gritty, that probably means it is violent, depressing, or isn't for kids.''
ehh, i don't like the word edgy (like shadow the hedgehog), so if you leave that part out then, the rest seems like exactly what id imagine. a dark, violent, sly cooper that doesnt prioritize "for kids" ? im in. sly has a fair amount of depressing lore to it too but, as long as they retain the games vibrant comicbook-like look & humor, then it would be good & still strike a M rating.
@nomither6 Ok, I guess we’re on the same page. It was the “if all games were M-rated they would be a lot better” which threw me off. I follow you now. I understand it now as “if all games weren’t creatively restricted in order to avoid getting M-rated they would be a lot better”, or something like that. Or maybe, what you actually are campaigning for is just to do away with ESRB ratings altogether — a more laissez-faire system with no limits, no oversight, and therefore no restrictions on the content that developers can produce without being labeled by a rating. It’s a fair point, but the parents and law-makers of the world will never go for it.
The movie industry has similar issues, as you are probably aware. If a movie is R-rated it will automatically cut out a large chunk of potential audience, so big budget blockbusters are always shooting for the PG/PG-13 rating. Interestingly, the opposite holds true too — A movie to be rated G is a kiss of death at the box office (if it’s not a children’s show). In one famous example, Spielberg was concerned that E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial was going to be given a G-rating so he added the line where Eliot calls his brother “p*nis breath” so as to assure a PG rating to help with marketability. It’s a funny and famous line, but definitely feels out of place.
As far as gaming, I do think developers are more open to making their games M-rated than they used to be. Video games used to be considered “children’s games” and only in the last 10-15 years or so have they really been adopted as adult entertainment also. So you can see how developers have progressed with the times and now aren’t afraid of the M-rating as much. Sucker Punch is a great example. Sly Cooper (E) to Infamous (T, but importantly had the option to play as “evil”) to now Ghost of Tsushima (full M-rating with decapitations, blood spurting everywhere, and more bare buttocks than I’ve seen in a game in a long time. Oh wait… forgot about Death Stranding 😂). Naughty Dog is another classic example. From Jak & Daxster to Uncharted to The Last of Us, with Part II being one of the most visceral and violent games I’ve ever played, with no holds barred on full artistic expression with not only violence, but sex and all the possible socio-political themes imaginable.
Some of the best selling games are M-rated, so I don’t think you need to worry. Elden Ring, GoW, CoD, and GTAV have solidified the viability of developers not having to shy away from getting an M. That said, there’s almost zero chance Spider-Man 2 or Jedi Survior would be M-rated. (Reportedly Wolverine is going to be M though)
yes we exactly are. M rating to me doesnt mean the usual stigmas ppl associate with it , but more so a game with more creative freedom and depth on all fronts with no restrictions or cut-out content. Other ratings just causes limitations.
Is Lost Legacy being the best Uncharted game a majority opinion on here then? It's my favorite as well. And the reason for it is simple too. It's not about the protagonists or the story or the graphics or even the open world sections. It's simply the developer's ambition to not care about the game's length, just only put in scenes that make sense for story and character development, AND are fun to play. As a result every moment of that game is good, no padding.
@nomither6 Jedi Fallen Order is a perfect example of a game clearly being held back by its rating. As a result the game is very weird about the audience it's trying to attract. It's clear the writing was simplified to make it more accessible to people of all ages. On the other hand the game does want to deal with a lot of adult themes like torture (shown from first person by the way!) and guilt over death. If the game just tries to be an action flick then that T-rating wouldn't hold back the game at all. But it tries to be more and darker as well, which is when it hits those age rating boundaries. The result, to me as a player at least, is a game that isn't really clear on whether it wants to attract full grown adults or kids... a game with an identity crisis in my opinion.
So yea, I agree these ratings - but maybe more importantly the wish of the developer to be appealing to kids as well as adults - can hold back games artistically in a big way.
On the other hand the game does want to deal with a lot of adult themes like torture (shown from first person by the way!) and guilt over death. If the game just tries to be an action flick then that T-rating wouldn't hold back the game at all. But it tries to be more and darker as well, which is when it hits those age rating boundaries. The result, to me as a player at least, is a game that isn't really clear on whether it wants to attract full grown adults or kids... a game with an identity crisis in my opinion.
I mean, that's Star Wars all over, though. Ness said it best, when they summarised that the franchise is "first and foremost a fun space opera for kids that's set in an incredibly dark universe". It's definitely a tightrope that's tough to walk, but that's what makes great Star Wars great.
Also, I totally agree with your thoughts on why The Lost Legacy is so brilliant. Very well said.
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@NeonPizza Interesting thoughts. Speaking of, and approximately on the eve of the RE4 Remake release, I was underwhelmed with RE4, which I know is a massively unpopular take. I won’t repeat a lot of my issues with it that I’ve talked about prior, but when you mention the drab colors and environments, that sounds a lot like my feelings on RE4. I know that was the whole intended aesthetic, but it didn’t help endear me to the game which I was already struggling with from a gameplay standpoint. I still need to go back and try to finish it but can’t seem to find the motivation.
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I hate adult entertainment.
They are all evil.
Showing the extreme inappropriate things is a sin / crime.
I have zero respect with any rated M stuffs.
They must be destroyed.
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@NeonPizza 5, 6 and Revelations 1 are atrocious for me!
The lore in 5 was ok but the environments were dull and boring! I do not think I could replay it ever.
6 was all over the place. The only part I liked was the first 2 chapters of Leon (the city and the Cemetery, church, catacombs areas). Everything else was pure garbage!
Revelations 1 was just ok. The only way I could see myself replaying it is ONLY to experience the 3DS version.
RE3 Remake had too much cut content to be enjoyable for me. Time constraints, I guess.
RE1 and Remake, RE2 and REMAKE, RE3, RE4, RE7 and RE8 I can see myself replaying multiple times!
I love the support from games publisher such as Outright Games, Microids and Team 17 for their contributions of kids games on multi consoles especially on PS4 & PS5.
PS5 needs more kids games by those publishers.
@NeonPizza I am jelly of that PSVR2 experience you are having. I've never even dabbled in the first PSVR. I hope they make it somehow revolutionary and the experience is worth it.
@NeonPizza Yeah, as far as RE4, I experienced it for the first time on the PS4. My first ever playthrough started last October as part of Halloween themed Game Club, but i fizzled and have never finished. I went back to it a few times over the last couple months but still struggled. I’m roughly 7-8 hours in maybe. I have reached Ashley and I’ve beaten the first couple bosses (that lake monster and the giant troll guy). What did me in was a sequence in a cabin where you reunite with the Spanish Don Quixote character (😅 sorry I don’t remember the names) and it’s like a constant barrage of enemies from all angles for 30 minutes with no end, until it finally stops. I found the entire sequence miserable and not fun at all since I was fighting the controls the whole time. Feeling like I was finally through one of the hardest parts, I kept on and soon had another mob attack sequence.
The awkward tank controls and figgity aiming and weapon swapping fits for the first 3 games when it’s usually just a couple enemies at a time. But when dozens are rushing you and you are also protecting a weak helpless companion, it makes the dated controls really feel out of place (to me).
Having just read the REm4ke review, it seems like I’d enjoy it a lot better. So I just need to decide if I want to push myself to complete the original first, on principle. I’m probably only 1/3 complete…?
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