@velio84 I think one of them is just kinda rare. My last one was the same as the one on Mark Cerny's trophy screenshot and I definitely saw others posting the same one too.
I didn't really do any "tricks" though.
This is interesting as I had a similar experience with B6.
Apparently a lot of players go through this pain, with the 'missing' (aka final) cipher being in a particular room in B6 but spawning quite rarely.
The location, if I recall correctly, is this...
So after you reach the 'shop' in B6, you drop down a huge jump into a massive room with a many fallen pillars and a ton of enemies. I remember the cipher is on one of the fallen pillars...
The problem I had is that for me I was still needing to level up and grind through B4 (and sometimes a bit of B5) to be powerful enough to survive up until the aforementioned part of B6!
If I didnt level up traits/health enough, I was constantly getting wiped out before I even got the opportunity to search this room.
The worst part of your predicament is this though - You have now come so far, and been through so much with this game, that there is no way you will ever give up until you get this LOL!
(I know at this point I was pretty burnt out, but no way was I going to quit)
@velio84 - Best of luck mate, just imagine how great it will feel when (not 'if'!) you grab that last cipher
I am currently working on the platinum for Ghost of Tsushima... and honestly think this game has the right idea when it comes to trophy-related collectibles. In GoT you only need to recover a certain proportion/majority of a specific collectible to pop the trophy...
I think Returnal should definitely have done something similar, eg. only 75% of ciphers needed etc. Especially considering the unforgiving RNG!
Good luck man, and let us know when you prevail... only a matter of time
@velio84 Haha yes mate! Welcome to Club Plat for Returnal.... LOL
On a seriousness note though, despite all my b*tching and moaning whilst chasing this trophy - I would buy any forthcoming DLC on Day #1 without question!
Well done man, finally you can play something different now!
@velio84 It's great that it worked for you in the end but a weird workaround to try and force the cipher spawn. I'd love to see the code behind it to know why you needed to do that. There must be something being online / offline at specific moments does to the randomiser for the level but why that would need to be the case I don't know.
I'm still holding out for some kind of DLC or something but there's not been a great deal of info coming out of Housemarque for a while. Be amazing if they just drop some content later in the year
@velio84 It's a good assumption and sounds very plausible. At least there is a workaround but it does feel like they should address the rare rooms thing as I think a lot more people would have liked to go for the platinum but haven't got the persistence to do it. There's also the other issue with the databank and having to come across items or kill hostiles way too much to unlock the entries. I'd have been up for trying to complete that as a little something extra to keep me playing but there was just far too much effort involved.
@velio84 Congrats, buddy. I’ve been crossing my fingers for you as I know it’s been a slog getting that last cipher. Interesting turn of events with the online/offline spawn rate and that’s a good theory about why it might happen.
Kudos, nonetheless, because I didn’t have the intestinal fortitude to go for the platinum myself (I think I only completed 2/6 of the Biome surveys through just my normal playthrough to the end of Act 3) but reading about your journey has planted a seed in my head to maybe go back for an attempt. If I didn’t have such a big backlog I’d happily lose myself on Atropos again.
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@Th3solution@velio84 Yeah, I had none of the surveys complete upon completing Act 3 either but it "only" took me another 20-30h to get them all
The thing I spent most time on was the infamous Scout Log 9 - seemed to take forever until I switched to a "speedrun" tactic for it, at which point I got it (and the platinum) in 40 minutes
@Voltan@velio84 Out of curiosity I double checked my trophy list and I did remember correctly — got survey trophies for B1 and B4 in the natural course of playing the game (it looks like my B4 Survey trophy popped about an hour or so before the Act 3 trophy popped) so that leaves me with the 4 other survey trophies, as well as the “Obtain Proficiency level 30” trophy which I apparently didn’t get naturally.
So, “just 5 trophies left” seems fairly simple, but I don’t know if my skills are tuned very well since it’s been a good 6 months since I played it.
After Act 3 completed I felt like I concluded the game on a high note and walked away from it before it became a chore or fatiguing to grind out anything. It got dangerously close to an RNG drudgery when I had to labor through repeated runs of B6 to get that last sun fragment. For some reason that took me a while and I could feel the frustration of what it must be like to do that grind over and over for the ciphers and logs and so I just jumped ship while everything was still enjoyable and pleasant. But I can’t lie — there’s part of me that feels drawn back 😅
@Th3solution I also couldn't obtain the proficiency trophy "organically" but it's a very easy one to "cheese". In the Abyssal Scar, you'll encounter these shielded tentacle creatures that keep spawning the little suicidal squids. If you see one of those, just stay at a distance and keep shooting the little ones for 10 minutes or so
@velio84 Yeah, I’m not sure how many of the collectibles I have left. I haven’t booted the game up since I completed it. I forgot that it shows you a checklist of the stuff your missing.
I would guesstimate that I have just a couple
Scout logs and probably 2-3 ciphers per biome maybe. That would leave me about 8-10 ciphers maybe. I should probably check. If it much less, then I might feel inclined to give it a go, just for kicks. I haven’t even booted up the game since they added the save function.
Is there a particular strategy (besides the offline boot, which is a brilliant trick btw) to doing these cipher runs? Like, is there a quick way that you know when you enter a biome whether they cipher spawned (or will spawn) in it?
For instance, I do remember when I was doing runs for the sun fragments you could look at the map when you enter a room and if there wasn’t a little triangle icon on the map then you could quickly move on and keep searching and not waste further time in that room. And another example — I gathered from the internet that the B6 sun fragment would never spawn after the ‘point of no return’ drop down spot halfway through, so if I got to that point without finding it then I’d just reload and start a new run.
So it would be great if the ciphers have some basic rules or tricks to know that I’m optimizing a run’s potential and not just spinning my wheels combing a biome for 2 hours when it isn’t going to spawn.
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@Voltan Yeah, that’s a great shout. I did that to grind unlocks for weapon traits. If I’d have realized that there was a trophy for the proficiency level 30 then I could have stuck a little longer with that when I was playing. If memory serves I was probably at least to level 28 or 29 a time of two.
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@velio84 CONGRATULATIONS M8! WELL DONE.
THanks for the confirmation of the B6 cipher glitch.Might try the same thing in 2 and 3 to try and hoover up the last few there.worth a try
@Voltan - That’s fine, even knowing they’re in specific rooms is a great help, so thanks for that 🙂
@Th3solution - If it helps, you could always use the platinum hunt as an opportunity to play around with the game’s sandbox a bit more. It’s what I’m currently doing, as someone who’s just started the plat hunt, and if nothing else, it’s given me something to do while I’m combing through the biomes.
That, and they’re apparently in specific rooms, so finding a list of all the rooms you’ve got left to do might also work.
Finally, if you’ve still got some scout logs left, apparently some are tied to the reconstructor (the machine that brings you back if you die) so that might be something to look out for, possibly.
On a related note, thanks everyone for inadvertently pointing out that there’s still some problems with one of the sixth biome glyphs. Should save me some time otherwise spent wandering around aimlessly (presuming I don’t forget by the time I get there).
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