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CountFunkula78

@Ralizah
Thanks for the reply! I've done chapter 2 now, and I have to say, the evidence for my theory is growing...
I'm guessing you're a big fan of the games (that's junko as your avatar, right?), and I've only played 2 chapters, but consider this...

SPOILERS AHEAD!

So they are constantly talking about attachments to the outside world causing despair, the first murder caused by attachment to people as an example.

The school being locked with no windows and doors is similar to a thought experiment that is supposed to reveal how you feel about death, in this case, the school represents a kind of state of Nirvana or perfection, separate from the world.

Makoto describes himself as 'nothing', nobody special, almost 'empty' as a personality or ego.

2nd murder being related to secrets/lies - again causing 'despair'

Up to here it's all a little tenuous until I realised - Monokuma is practically a yin- Yang symbol.(this was the big one for me, he's the main recurring character, and I otherwise his black/white colour has no real reason)

On a classroom blackboard on the 2nd floor 'reality isn't everything'

What do you think?

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CountFunkula78

Ralizah

@CountFunkula78 Yeah, it's one of my favorite franchises. None of the symbolism in this series is accidental, but I won't say much beyond this:

Monokuma's color scheme has two layers of meaning. One is "hope/despair," which... I won't say much about, because spoilers, but this duality is extensively explored throughout the series, and I do think your comment on the yin-yang aspect of Monokuma's design is spot on, based on my experience with the franchise. The second is "innocence/guilt." Throughout the first two games, the words "shiro" and "kuro" (white and black, respectively) are used when discussing a person's culpability in a crime. Which is why Monokuma refers to the murderer in any respective case as the "blackened."

As a fun aside, have you noticed how Monokuma shifts which side of his body is facing you depending on how he is acting?

Oh, three more things:
1) Be very careful what you read online. This game is INCREDIBLY easy to spoil for oneself.
2) If you end up liking the game and want to experience the rest of the series, do so in this order: Trigger Happy Havoc --> Goodbye Despair --> Ultra Despair Girls --> Danganronpa Zero light novel (optional) --> Danganronpa 3 (an anime that ends the story explored in the previous entries; the upcoming game is a separate story from the Hope's Peak Academy arc)
3) Even though I think you're probably reading too much into the game's symbolism (but what do I know? I'm not authority on the series and, even if I was, "death of the author" and all that: there probably is some repurposed Buddhist symbolism in here... there's definitely a hint of daoism in its exploration of duality), I like reading your thoughts on it. Please continue to post your impressions, if you don't mind.

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PSN: Ralizah

KratosMD

@Ralizah If you (or any other who's played the first game) can answer this, I would appreciate it a lot.

So what is the point of free time in this game? Because it does feel a lot like Persona 4 but I've looked up info about it and apparently you don't actually get to romance anyone in the game. So is the point to gather info about as many characters as possible in order to narrow down possible suspects for the upcoming murders? It really would feel like a waste of time if I spent my free time with characters who'll die or turn out to be the murderers.

Also, it really stinks that you get to meet all these lovely characters but you know that one of them will die and another turn out to be a murderer each chapter. But I guess that's the intention; to make you really care about the characters. It won't be as rough losing people in the beginning, but I can imagine that the more you play and the more you become attached to these characters, the more saddening it will feel when someone passes away. Brilliant game design.

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'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

Ralizah

@KratosMD You use free time to get to know the characters better. It's a lot like the confidant system in Persona 5: you'll even get equip-able skills when you get to know certain characters better that will help you out during the class trials.

This doesn't really help you figure out who is going to get murdered next. Instead, it fleshes out the characters and gives you the opportunity to obtain new skills. And yeah, it does suck when you're getting to know someone and they up and die or kill someone (and then get executed), but, as you said, it helps to immerse you in the hellish environment of Hope's Peak Academy.

I wrote some giant wall of text talking about the intersecting nature of this franchise (the intricate ways in which the video games, light novels, and TV anime series feed into one-another), but I decided not to bore you with some fanboy prattle.

Like I told the other person I was talking to, though, I advise you to not look up ANYTHING about these games online until you finish them. You'll spoil some amazing plot twists for yourself if you go digging around for information. Fair warning.

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Switch FC: SW-2726-5961-1794

PSN: Ralizah

JoeBlogs

Play the games with the original Japanese voice actors. They're so much better.

JoeBlogs

KratosMD

@Ralizah Okay, so basically I should just talk to anyone that I want so I can get more skills? Do I get more skills from the same person that I've already talked to or does only the bond increase when doing that? And most importantly, do I keep the skills even if they die?

'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

Ralizah

KratosMD wrote:

Okay, so basically I should just talk to anyone that I want so I can get more skills?

Yeah. Try to focus on a certain group of people, though, as it can take time to get to know them. The cast is massive.

You can reduce the time to win their favor if you buy stuff from the vending machine and give them an item they'll like.

KratosMD wrote:

Do I get more skills from the same person that I've already talked to or does only the bond increase when doing that?

You can only get one skill from Sayaka Maizono and Kyoko Kirigiri, I believe (don't worry, that's not really a spoiler, I'm just covering my bases here ). Everybody else gives you at least two skills.

KratosMD wrote:

And most importantly, do I keep the skills even if they die?

Yep. Once you've unlocked a skill, it's yours. Think of it as improving your ability to talk to people in your social environment by interacting with the person who gave you the skill, and it makes a lot more sense.

Also worth noting: after you complete the game, you unlock "school mode," which is a game mode where none of the characters die, kill, or have class trials. The main draw of this mode is that it gives you a TON of free time to talk to various characters, allowing you to fully interact with a character and update their report card. So, even if someone dies in the game before you get a chance to know them, you can use this post-game mode to hear the rest of their dialogue and get their character trophies. (Again, not a real spoiler, but I am discussing a mode that appears after you beat the game, so I thought I would be safe)

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PSN: Ralizah

mamp

Anybody else find it kinda weird that they decided to end the Hope's Peak Academy story with an anime instead of a third game. Just kinda found it to be a weird choice but the anime was good. Felt like the Danganronpa 3 did a WAY better job at portraying Junko as a bad ass villain compared to the game. It made me love her and hate her SO MUCH!!!

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KratosMD

@mamp Gotta love how you spoiled the entire series for me. Thanks a lot, bud.

'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

KratosMD

Ralizah wrote:

Like I told the other person I was talking to, though, I advise you to not look up ANYTHING about these games online until you finish them. You'll spoil some amazing plot twists for yourself if you go digging around for information. Fair warning.

@Ralizah You were not kidding, even on the home turf you're going to be bombarded with spoilers. You know what, I think I'm just never going to bring up a story-heavy game ever again on the internet. I've now been spoiled by knowing who the murderer is in P4G, who the main villain in Trails of Cold Steel is and now with Danganronpa. It's like someone out there doesn't want me to be surprised by the plot twists.

I'm literally ticked off right now and I think I'm going to take a break with Danganronpa and hope that I can somehow repress my memory of the spoiler so I can actually play the game without having it ruined for me.

'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

Ralizah

@mamp Use spoiler tags. [ spoiler ] [ / spoiler ] Like that, but without the spaces.

Junko was definitely terrifying in DR3. I'm guessing they went with the anime format because of the way the Future and Despair arcs fed into one another. Harder to do that with a game. Although I do wish we could have seen a more elaborate Despair arc in VN form.

@KratosMD That's actually why I changed my beloved Junko avatar a few weeks back. I was looking at it and thought: geez, that is a MASSIVE DR spoiler if you know what to look for.

I've tried that 'repressing the memory of a spoiler' thing. Doesn't work very well. It sucks you got spoiled, but there are actually a lot of big twists in the series, so it's definitely not completely ruined or anything.

Whatever you do, though, do NOT look up anything about DR2. It has the best twists in the series, and learning those really will spoil your first experience of that game.

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Switch FC: SW-2726-5961-1794

PSN: Ralizah

KratosMD

@Ralizah Yeah I can see that. I actually had a hunch that Junko was a villain because she is wearing hair clips of a completely white and black Monokuma respectively, which seems odd if she just got to the school at the same time as the other students. Still sucks that it was confirmed for me..

'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

Ralizah

@KratosMD Actually, she isn't. At the beginning of the game, Junko is presented as having a white rabbit hair pin and a bow in her hair. The hair clips only change when the truth about her is revealed.

Reading your post, I'm even more glad I changed my avatar.

How far are you in the game? Before the first trial?

Switch FC: SW-2726-5961-1794

PSN: Ralizah

KratosMD

@Ralizah I haven't even done the second free time session yet in chapter 1 because I wanted to know for sure how to spend my free time. But seeing as how I should just spend my time with as many people as possible to get more skills, I'll just spend it with those I find interesting (and right now it's Junko because I love her personality). I don't know, none of the guys are interesting to me so I'll just have to keep playing and see if they become interesting later on.

'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

Ralizah

@KratosMD Junko is an AMAZING character (possibly my favorite video game character of all time), but otherwise I'm not a huge fan of the cast of the first game. Actually, the first game is my least favorite of the series. Once I completed it the first time, I kind of put it away and forgot about it without bothering to get all the trophies. Danganronpa 2 is another story, though: it has an awesome cast of characters and plot, and I loved it so much that not only did I play it until I got the platinum (which requires a good deal of grinding), but I went back and platinumed the first game as well. I loved it so much it actually improved my general opinion of the original game.

And with that said, you should probably not visit this thread again until you finish the first two games. Spoilers are EVERYWHERE. Once Danganronpa V3 releases in the West, I'm basically abandoning several websites I visit daily to avoid unmarked spoilers until I beat the game.

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Switch FC: SW-2726-5961-1794

PSN: Ralizah

KratosMD

@Ralizah Well I thought that people on these forums would have, I don't know, common decency and not spoil things like that without adding any tags? Maybe that's only true to regulars and not random lurkers who haven't written a post here in years and finally decides to write a major spoiler as their first post in a long time, lol.

'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

Th3solution

@KratosMD @Ralizah
Dude, the game is totally worth it. Even if you may have been exposed to some spoilers, the plot has a very interesting mix of mysteries interwoven and each murder and trial is its own mystery to solve as well as the overarching things like the motivation for the whole game and why the characters do what they do and how things are done and accomplished is still likely to take you by surprise. There is so much plot in there. But yeah, avoid this forum I guess til you're done. But come back and let us know what you think

I finished and platinumed the first game last month (actually a pretty easy platinum - just a fair amount of grinding at the end), but burned myself out on Monokuma after all those hours and decided to take a break from Danganronpa, but I'm planning to start D2 soon and then Ultra Despair Girls in time for V3 I hope. Gotta finish The Nonary Games first though.

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If the other guy is getting better, then you'd better be getting better faster than he's getting better, or you're getting worse.

Ralizah

@Th3solution You do the same with Danganronpa 2. The game is FANTASTIC. One of my top 3 on the Vita, for sure.

Switch FC: SW-2726-5961-1794

PSN: Ralizah

KratosMD

So I just finished the first chapter and holy crap, this game is really intense for a visual novel. For the record, I absolutely love visual novels and the Ace Attorney series is my favourite one of all time. But what those games lack is an engaging trial system, as it doesn't feel exciting to press every single statement of the multiple ones available for each cross-examination. But in Danganronpa, it really feels like you're proceeding in a fluid way and that you actually are getting pressured by a time limit so it becomes more intense in deciding which option is the correct one. Not to mention that there are so many different sections during a trial which really spices things up. So if there is one thing this game definitely nails, it's the trials. And not to mention the "boss" fights and their deaths. So good!

I think I'll be sticking to this series for a while, haha.

'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

KratosMD

@Ralizah I just finished the second chapter and yeah, the game plainly laid it out for me that Junko wasn't really dead, so I may have overreacted a bit and thought that this was something you'd find out at the end of this saga or something, as a major plot twist. But you could easily figure it out during a cut scene at the end of chapter 2 as Monokuma said stuff like "I made you a part of the group" and "You were supposed to make the first move" and Junko's death is the only odd one out. So at least this was revealed fairly early, I'm not too bummed up about it now.

But yeah, this game really makes you feel "despair" in real life. It really feels like you're powerless and losing one friend after the other really hurts you as a player, especially if you've bonded with the friends long enough. Never really experienced a game that did this to you consecutively and that fact alone makes it very unique. I LOVE it! This has the potential to become one of the best games I've ever played, alongside other titles such as P4G and Trails of Cold Steel 1 and 2, which are WAY up there for me.

'To judge others by your own standard is the height of folly'
'They fail to live because they are always preparing to live' - Alan Watts

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