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booshy89

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If this weekend is any indication of the season we have ahead then this could well be one of the greatest seasons ever!

Listening to the radio this morning I've seen a lot of people saying Cahill probably shouldn't have been sent off but I can't see how you can argue against it really.

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Anchorsam_9

@booshy89 It really was a great weekend for football - speaking as a Liverpool fan who was pretty disappointed with the result against Watford, I can't deny that it was a great match objectively. This weekend had everything - giant-killings against Chelsea (and Liverpool to a lesser extent) as well as some high-scoring matches (Arsenal-Leicester especially) and a big win for Huddersfield.

Generally speaking, we could always get a fantasy league set up, but I know that they're time consuming, plus the season's already started.

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@Anchorsam_9 Don't forget you'll be losing your star man, potentially.

Good win for us though. Shelvey standing on Dele's ankle right in front of the ref was shocking. What made it even better was Dele scored our opener. Bring on the plastics over at Chelski next weekend.

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@Kyroki Coutinho might as well just leave to be honest. If he'd handed in a transfer request last month, we'd be in a much better situation and the fans would respect him more, but the fact that he handed in his request a day before the season started is stupid. I don't know if we'd be able to replace him in time, but I think getting rid of him would end a lot of the ongoing transfer drama that probably isn't good for team spirit.

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@Anchorsam_9 Yeah I get what you mean. Especially with the statement the owners made. Doesn't really help you timewise either, as you'll obviously want to find a suitable replacement.

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@Anchorsam_9 It's ok, Barca don't need him now they've bought Paulihno! Interesting move to say the least. What's the deal with Robertson? I assumed he'd been bought to play, as Moreno clearly wasn't a Klopp favourite last season.

@Kyroki Lord only knows what was going through Shelvey's mind when he did it? Such a stupid thing to do. I agree with a lot of people that Alli had been targeted as someone to annoy and see if they could get a reaction, thought he spoke about it well in interviews afterwards. Hopefully he's matured a little in that aspect from previous seasons.

On the subject of fantasy football, the SuperSix league has kept itself together if anyone is still playing that.

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@booshy89 That's a weird transfer by Barca to say the least. Out of everyone they could have they chose Paulinho? I also don't think we're out of the woods yet on Coutinho - Paulinho's more of a defensive midfielder, plus apparently Klopp's left him out of the squad in tomorrow's Champions League playoff against Hoffenheim. Whether that's due to his apparent injury or something else I don't know, but my money's on the latter.

About Robertson, I was quite confused too. I thought that Klopp would at least play Milner at LB, or even have Robertson on the bench to replace Moreno, but for some reason he left him out of the squad completely! Maybe Klopp had seen an improvement in Moreno's training - after all, he didn't make any big mistakes on Saturday, which is more than the central defenders can say - but I hope Robertson gets a chance on Tuesday. It'd be good to see a young left-back like him actually succeed in displacing Moreno seeing as we've gone through countless academy fullbacks already.

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as a man utd fan, as good as we played, got to recognise that west ham were pretty woeful. good of them to let us get a bit of the swagger back though and get OT buzzing for a change.

re: neymar.. allegedly the PSG match was broadcast in 183 countries.. how much interest was there in french domestic football, really, before that move?.

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@Bad-MuthaAdebisi Agreed. I was watching that game from a neutral point of view and they played really well. Definitely the best team they've fielded since Fergie's days.

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@leucocyte Neymar's signing has definitely helped Ligue 1 in terms of publicity. In all honesty, I could see it overtaking La Liga in terms of popularity and competitiveness in the next few years or so. The Spanish League is getting a bit stale, with only Barcelona and Real Madrid (and occassionally Atletico Madrid) challenging for the title, and while the situation is pretty much the same in France, with only PSG and Monaco really competing, there are a lot of signs that things are looking up there.

Last season's title race was quite good compared to the season before: Monaco snatched it from PSG in the end (as well as making it to the Champions League semis, which is more than PSG can say) while Lyon made the Europa League semi-finals and Nice managed to get top of the table by Christmas. Marseille have managed to buy big players like Rami, Payet, Evra, and Luiz Gustavo, Nantes now have Claudio Ranieri as manager, and Lille have a new investor and Marcelo Bielsa as manager.

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@get2sammyb That's the major thing - how well PSG and other French teams do in Europe. Even though Monaco and Lyon made the semis of the CL and EL respectively, a French team winning either competition would really help the league grow.

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@Anchorsam_9 I think the potential for that will come from when Messi/Ronaldo retire - I think La Liga could see pretty hefty drops in popularity at that point as they're both such big draws.
Neymar would have been the next one, so I agree that French football is about to get a whole lot more popular, but I still think it's a long way off leapfrogging La Liga.

I'm also reading speculation that Coutinho is prepared to go on strike? I've taken that with a huge mound of salt, but you never know?

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@booshy89 Yeah, Messi and Ronaldo are both getting on a bit and if they can't find any younger talent that are as good as either of them, La Liga might suffer for it. Ligue 1 has quite a few promising talents, Kylian Mbappe especially.

I don't reckon Coutinho will go on strike, that seems a bit too much as I'm sure the number 1 thing he wants to do is keep playing football, but the main thing I'm wondering is why has his attitude towards Liverpool changed so dramatically in so short a time? In January he signed a new contract, said that he wanted to play for the club for a very long time, and is now getting paid more than Suarez did, so money can't be an issue. We qualified for the Champions League play-offs, so Europe can't be an issue. I just don't understand why he's all of a sudden so desperate to get out of the club after seeming so happy there this year.

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@Anchorsam_9 I think it's just the name, Barcelona. It's the team any kid growing up would wish to play for so when they come in for you it would be like a dream come true. Coutinho is probably thinking he wouldn't get another chance like this so it's now or never. The thing is, they don't look as good a team as in previous years, Real Madrid easily battered them in both legs of the Spanish Super Cup and I honestly think we would beat them easily nowadays, too.

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@Anchorsam_9 Completely agree, a strike seems pretty unlikely. He seems like a bigger man than that, unlike a certain Mr. D. Costa who's proving to be pretty toxic.

Again, you're totally right about it being baffling about such an attitude change. I'll never understand people who sign these lengthy contracts in football and then ask for moves. I don't know how long his is but like VvD is less than 18 months into a 6 year contract! Why sign a 6 year contract?

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@ApostateMage That's true, but then again Barca have consistently shown interest in Coutinho and he's stayed committed to Liverpool, yet now we've finally (almost) reached Champions League level and he wants to leave? It's a bit confusing. Maybe, with Neymar out of the picture, Coutinho reckons he could be a consistent player there rather than run the risk of being on the bench.

@booshy89 Contracts in football are a weird one - they never seem to be used to extend a player's stay and commitment to the club, but rather hike up the player's transfer value. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in other sports (Baseball is the main one) contracts are binding, as in the player who signs it has to spend the duration of the contract at their club. I wonder if a system like that would work in football? It'd certainly make the transfer market less murky

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I can see it from a Players perspective too. You can sign a 5yr contract, happy to play for a manager that signed you, happy to play with the team and hoping that the clubs owners are showing the 'ambition' and looking to move the club forward. A year later, the manager that made promises, reassurances etc, has gone, the clubs 'ambition' differs from the 'promise' they made etc. That player may feel that the 'club' is very different from the one they signed up to just a year before. This may well be the case with VVD but Coutinho is 'different' in that the club as a whole hasn't changed from the one he signed an extension to just a few months prior. Same manager for example and little change in the staffing. It looks like the club has 'ambition', wanting the big European nights, wanting to make 'big' signings, wanting to build a squad around players like Coutinho and keep hold of its stars and compete at the top.

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