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@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare How is it a "dog-pile" when the game was a flop, and there were far more people not interested than interested in it.

You're going to buy it, but you're very much the exception. It was an expensive AAA game with a license attached so of course the cancellation of its sequel is news.

@Bigmanfan Tbf most PC gamers have a PC that can't even match the PS5 Pro, but I think the point is the best console version is on PS5 Pro.

@RZ-Atom He's right, it came out in 2021 and should come with all DLC as standard. Will impact sales for sure.

@get2sammyb Don't think it will sell that much at full price, especially for a game this old.

@Marquez Agreed!

@HonestHick Yeah hopefully it's good. Also don't forget Ghost of Yotei and Marathon.

@HonestHick Death Stranding and Wolverine coming, plus all the XGS games too 😎

@Nexozi They will be day one.

@Korgon Next gen they will only have niche, expensive hardware available as a token gesture for people with big Xbox libraries.

@Toot1st It's awful, and sales are in free fall.

Overall console sales won't get near the 58m of Xbox One, and that's with Series S available.

@Godot25 You did make some lame joke about Xbox not issuing guidance about sales. All we need to know is that relative to the competition they're through the floor.

"I haven't bring up Xbox once time" - And I'm the dumb one 😁

@Godot25 That's because they stopped reporting Xbox sales in the 360 era...

Nobody said "what about Xbox?", it's a comparison point to PlayStation's competitor. Don't get salty over the fact that Xbox is dying brand.

@Godot25 Meanwhile Xbox will hit about 500k.

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Subscriptions are heavily reliant on consoles sales. Xbox sales have been awful which is why GamePass is stagnant and has been getting significant prices and been restructured.

@trev666 Sony beat up Nintendo so bad that they left the traditional console market. Now they make kiddie games with lesser production values for a portable which is generally owned as a secondary machine.

@Don_Corleone Get real, Fable will be ported too.

@Steel76 This is nothing to do with Playstation fanboys, this is straight from the horses mouth - Xbox is going multiplatform.

@AllStarGamer GamePass is practically free - at $17 a month? Great thing for Playstation owners is that they can own these games, and buy them on sale for a lot less than $70 while having access to the Playstation exclusives too.

@NEStalgia I agree that Sony will not want to eat the same losses as they did with the PS5. The Pro is for console enthusiasts. And scalpers have shown that a small proportion of gamers will pay a lot for a new console. But it's a very small number hence I don't think $700+ is workable.

@RicksReflection Yes exactly. I think some people are triggered because they can't afford a Pro. Some people are triggered because think devs will suddenly become lazier and do less optimisation on the OG PS5 lol.

Both reasons are nonsensical. I'm all for new hardware, especially when it will be four years since PS5 came out.

@NEStalgia Let's see, but there's a reason no mainstream console has ever been near that price. I'm betting $600, or maybe $550 without a disc drive.

@NEStalgia It's not going to be $750 lol.

All those paragraphs fretting about something that hasn't (and won't) happened.

Also quoting Phil Spencer isn't the smartest thing here given that the Xbox team built a console with a huge die that has proven to difficult in terms to reducing costs - a significant mistake by them.

@Intr1n5ic Agree, that was such a weird comment.

After years of hyping up MS, even Digital Foundry have been forced to admit that Sony produced a superior console given its smaller die allowing them to increase their margins on PS5, while matching and often beating Series X.

@NEStalgia And now somebody's predicting $800, $200 more expensive than any Playstation in history. Not to mention the PS4 Pro was released at the same price as the PS4.

@DennisReynolds Pulling PS5 Pro prices out of thin air, then complaining about being "conned" into buying a PS5 like you were forced into doing so.

If you're broke just say so.

@Friendly No numbers - what even though I've stated GamePass figures, estimated console sales, and debunked your "accountability margin'" numbers that you apparently didn't understand.

You're not so much fed up as triggered it seems.

@Friendly Nonsense. They need Playstation which is why they are porting games, and porting them so quickly. Four confirmed already, a fifth on the way (As Dusk Falls).

Nothing to do with me wishing anything. Xbox sales in Europe and Asia are in the toilet. An in America Sony is comfortably outselling them.

I'm bringing numbers, but you're getting in your feelings over the fact that Xbox needs Playstation and these other platforms to survive.

And I've already debunked the richest company line. The Xbox division needs to stand on its own two feet, that's why Nadella and Stuart have been talking about taking Xbox games to other platforms. They're not interested in carrying it any longer.

Hardware sales relate to software sales and subscription numbers. Suggesting they are irrelevant is incredibly short-sighted. And Xbox One did really poorly compared to PS4 and Switch. Xbox Series is a disaster.

Nobody is saying Xbox is going out of business, but in the last years sales have dropped significantly. Also I have a PC so I have access to all these games regardless.

You sound very bitter towards Sony though. Fact is they have been putting out great games, same as Nintendo. Microsoft has been putting out a lot of mediocre AAA games like Redfall and Starfield. That's why Xbox NEEDS Playstation.

Even people who have posted those numbers don't understand what it means:

https://twitter.com/DeekeTweak/status/1704614819855294520?t=Di2XcSPX2xaTGO_hIjpX1g&s=19

And here's the same individual posting that Sony's gross margin and absolute profit is double Xbox's:

https://twitter.com/DeekeTweak/status/1704920405213843533?t=aYr8bGHI0uul6iGilxT5dQ&s=19

@Friendly You a solutelt didn't provide proof. You sent a link to some numbers relating to "Accountability Margin". Here's what people in the know say about that:

"Accountability margin is not any metric used in any kind of formal accounting and it is more suggests its an internal metric used my MS as a management metric. Not anything that would ever be used to truly realIze profitability In an externally facing way.

And frankly all of this analysis is comparing apples to oranges to the point that whilê its interesting MS uses this as a metric to measure success of an internal business unit. It does nothing for counting the money coming in and out. And no one should be drawing any hard conclusions from all of this."

Accountability is not profit, Xbox does provide profit numbers like Somy and Nintendo do.

@Friendly You're asking for proof, but also the one talking about Xbox being profitable with no numbers to back it up.

As for CoD, did you follow the Activision Blizzard acquisition and subsequent approval process? The regulators forced MS into signing a ten year deal. Initially when pressured they offered Sony three years 😭.

As far as hardware sales it's been widely reported that Series consoles are tracking below Xbox One.

I'm not being funny but I feel like some of this has gone over your head.

@BolkaRover I mean we've seen Tom Warren say they are internally debating whether to launch Indiana Jones on PS5.

I personally think they will keep something like a six month exclusivity window. For now anyway.

There is a poster on NeoGaf who works in the industry and has friends at Zenimax who says a whole host of games are currently being ported to PS5, and even unannounced games are being planned with PS5 in mind. He's been right on a number of things up to now too.

@Friendly Saying they make profit is meaningless. You have no numbers comparable to what Sony and Nintendo give at every earnings call because Xbox profit numbers are hidden out of embarassment.

And you've totally missed the point regarding CoD. They wanted to take it away from Playstation but regulators forced them to publish CoD on other consoles. Let me guess, you think they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts 😄.

Their userbase just isn't big enough to sustain their first-party games and it's because they're in third place getting handily beaten by their competitors. That's why Xbox's future is multiplatform. They simply can't continue as things stand and need the extra revenue. Microsoft's overall net worth is irrelevant.

@Friendly
From the article:
"According to our findings, Xbox gaming had a 12% accountability margin (AM) for 9 month period in FY22. However, in the aforementioned testimony, Spencer says that "the Xbox business today runs at a single-digit profit margin."

Comparing this number with the other Big 3 players isn't exactly straightforward. The accountability methods may be different and we're not entirely sure how Microsoft calculates its accountability margin, but it appears to be some sort of value target that the Xbox games division is trying to deliver on a specific profit basis."

That pretty much limits the usefulness of it, though according to Spencer they run at profit numbers, so could be 1%.

And I'm sure Booty was just talking possibilities, and blowing $68bn on Activision and trying to take CoD away from Playstation reflects that 😄.

Xbox sales have cratered, and GamePass subs are in decline. That is why Xbox needs Playstation and Switch and is going to be publishing all it's games on them (while Playstation and Switch will keep their exclusives) - it's a dying platform.

@Friendly Where are Xbox's profit figures for 2022?

Why wouldn't they do it? Because it weakens Xbox and strengthens Playstation and Switch. There's literally no need for an Xbox now because you know their games are coming to other consoles and PC.

As for cloud gaming, it's in its infancy and is years and years away from becoming mainstream. Even GeForce Now which is much better than xCloud.

Xbox is doing this because it has to, not because it wants to. Remember it was regulators that forced them to publish CoD on the other consoles. Matt Booty's email said it all, they wanted to blow Sony out of the games industry. They wanted to buy Nintendo. Now neither is going to happen, and Xbox's dwindling marketshare is only going to reduce further.

@eduscxbox Revenue is not the same as profit...what you wrote doesn't make sense.

@Friendly You're deluding yourself. Microsofts overall financials as a company does not mean it's willing to keep losing money on Xbox.

Do you not get it? Spencer has been reined in. Almost certainly it's Nadella and Stuart who are forcing multiplatform status because Xbox can't survive on its tiny userbase.

Now Xbox needs Playstation and Switch because MS wants an ROI which Xbox on its own can't provide.

@Stickleman It's killing sales of MS's first-party games and makes up about 15% of Xbox's revenue. Financially it's a disaster, and part of the reason Xbox is going multiplatform.

@BolkaRover MS were targeting 100m subscribers by 2027 - they are miles away from achieving that, and it's been mentioned even by shills like TimDog that the service has the greatest churn of any subscription service in entertainment.

They converted Live members into 'GamePass Core' and still only have 34m subscribers which is why they haven't been giving updates since January 2022.

In terms of new subs coming that is debatable. Some people prefer to buy and own their games they want to play rather than renting from a curated list. GamePass just doesn't make sense for many people, especially if they don't have tons of time to play through lots of games, which I imagine is part of the reason why it's in decline. Not to mention games come down I'm price quite quickly anyway, and GamePass will almost certainly be seeing some price rises if the latest CoD is added day one.

And now we have the news that Xbox is porting games, and it's just a matter of time before Starfield is launched on PS5, and Indiana Jones, Hellblade, Avowed etc will come too. That only helps PlayStation and Switch, while the Series consoles are tracking below even Xbox One and going down last year which is terrible for the platform.

@BolkaRover Except GamePass is in decline, and if Xbox games comes to Playstation and Switch, what do you need an Xbox for? Series consoles are already tracking below Xbox One, and it's basically dead in Europe and Asia.

@Friendly Of course it needs Playstation otherwise this wouldn't be happening! Xbox has been a money sink, hence why it's profit figures have been hidden since midway through the 360 era. Now the higher-ups want an ROI, so they have no choice to publish on Playstation and Switch.

@Friendly You're kidding yourself if you think they'll only port smaller titles. The Xbox userbase isn't big enough to support big AAA titles, and they now want an ROI. They're merely breaking in Xbox owners with these four games.

@ThunderCracker Yeah we'll get Starfield before the end of the year, and Indiana Jones early 2025.

I'm hoping the next time Sony releases a sequel, the giant man-child (you) doesn't spit out his dummy and have a tantrum on Push Square, criticising anybody who has the gall to be happy with the games released this gen.

I don't hold out too much hope.

@Fishnpeas You really are a bitter little man. Going after anybody who doesn't agree with everything you say, crying about numerous available games because they don't meet your specific tastes (or because they are sequels).

If you're this easily triggered, what's the meltdown going to be like when Sony officially announces the next The Last of Us game?

Will a DualSense go flying out of the window in protest 😄😄😄

@Fishnpeas No I'm somebody who thinks that if you make an argument you need to have the evidence to back it up. Instead you come up with a number of spurious claims which have been disproven.

"Run along now..." - so basically you're triggered by anybody who plays and enjoys any sequels. You get sound more immature and pathetic by the post lol.

@Fishnpeas You come across as extremely bitter about the first-party Sony games released this generation. If sequels aren't your thing, I don't imagine you will get much enjoyment from any of the major platform-holders (God of War, Spiderman, Horizon, Halo, Gears, Forza, Mario, Zelda, Pokémon etc).

Where you are wrong is talking about how the gaming market for Sony is shrinking. Their profits are higher than they have ever been, as others have noted they are selling more software now than in the PS2 generation, and for some reason you would be shocked if the PS5 hits PS4 numbers - even though they are about to sell their highest ever number of consoles in a financial year (whether they hit 25m or not).

No need to lash out at others for pointing these things out.

@Max_the_German Any numbers behind your statement or just guesstimates?

@Juanalf Nearly as good as MS blocking Redfall from PS5 😄