In case you've somehow missed it, Sony has announced a huge overhaul to PlayStation Plus. It's transitioning to a multi-tiered system, with three subscriptions offering extra value the more you choose to pay. At the top of the pile is PS Plus Premium which, among other things, adds games from legacy PlayStation platforms to the mix.
Yes, PS1, PS2, PS3, and PSP games will be finally coming to modern platforms for subscribers to PS Plus Premium. All but the PS3 games will be available to both download or stream, while titles for Sony's tricksy seventh-gen machine will be streamable only.
It's unclear whether these classic games will be available to purchase individually for those who do not subscribe to PS Plus Premium, but we imagine that they will be exclusive to the subscription model, similar to how Nintendo's online service grants access to legacy titles.
PS Plus Premium costs $119.99 / €119.99 / £99.99 for a 12-month subscription, and gives you access to this library of retro games. This is in addition to all the other benefits from the PS Plus Essential and PS Plus Extra tiers. You can read more about each tier and how they differ through here.
Are you excited about older PlayStation games making their way to modern consoles via PS Plus Premium? Will you be subscribing to this tier? Let us know in the comments section below.
This catalogue is going to make or break PS Plus Premium. How many games will it include? Are all of them downloadable? Do they have Trophy support? Sony needs to get this right if it's going to make the most expensive option worthwhile.
I can't see Vita.
Is the legacy content stuck behind the paywall or can we purchase the titles individually? What if we own the titles already thru the PS-Store? I have so many questions.
Hopefully they will have Trophy support too. And please Sony, I hope you regularly update these PS1, PS2, PSP games over time.
Yup, I'm quite excited to see what games we get!
I hope we can buy them as well and that are digital purchases carry over from PS3 and PSP.
Guys, I have a feeling they will simply include the PS1/2/PSP Games already available on PS4 and call it a day
Announcing the service without mentioning even ONE single game from those platforms is seriously dumb af. But oh well, we have to wait and see...
Also, Sony needs to hire some modders or something so they can make PS3 titles work on PS5, I mean it can't be that hard to run an emulator on such a powerful machine, no?
They needed to introduce backwards compatibility for discs. This is not what was needed.
@AFCC its not that easy, MS is the biggest Software Company in the World and it took them a few years to get the old Games running on Xbox One, even with the Xbox Consoles all being very similar. And Sony has no interest in investing in Features that dont bring them fat profits lol
If it's a streaming service, not a chance. I have good internet, and I can rarely stream PS3 games via PSNow.
@Texan_Survivor Most people have the suspision that they will simply include the Classic PS1/2/PSP Games already available on PS4 lol
If SOCOM is on there then I’m down. Literally all I could ask for.
@IonMagi You could be right actually. They said that they'll add up to 340 PS1, PS2, PS3 and PSP games and 300+ of those could just be the PS3 games from PS Now and the rest are the ones available on PS4.
@Uncharted2007 This was never going to happen.
Would be cool if we were able to buy those game seperatly instead of having to spent 120$ a year.
That's something that annoys me with Switch Online as well, I'd prefer the Virtual Console
@LtSarge Yep, for current Sony this makes the most sense sadly. They also cut a few hundred PS3 Games since PS Now has way more available atm
@get2sammyb I know and I'm sad because of it. Perhaps (doubtful) they'll make PS1, PS2, PS3 games available for individual purchase digitally to play on the PS5 at some point. Again... doubtful.
For now, I have my PS2 slim to play PS1 and PS2 games. Then I bought my favorite PS3 games for PS4. Then I play all the PS4 games on my PS5. I'm covered with the exception of a couple titles like Warhawk (PS3).
Cool ps2 games and psp is welcome and to play ps3 and ps1 games is cool also.word up son
I doubt they will, but it would be a Brucie Bonus if they add trophy support.
@IonMagi true that...they prefer live service games 🤦♂️
I really hope I can play the PS3 games on an actual PS3 instead of just streaming.
I don't have a PS4 or PS5 so I hope I can still play these games on a PS3 while I stream PS4 games on PC with PS Now.
No Vita hurts 😭
Awful, locked native back compat behind the most expensive tier. no support of previously purchased classics. A smack in the face of loyal fans who will be forced to emulate on PC (or pay an extortionate tax to play their paltry catalog) straight out of nintendos idiotic playbook. DOA
@Rural-Bandit I've always been an advocate for backwards compatibility and I applaud Microsoft for pushing that with their newer hardware. I honestly was hoping Sony would have followed suit but apparently they decided not to. BC with discs is a massive advantage that Xbox has over Playstation.
@Jacko11 Same here. I would love to play Persona 4 Golden on PS Now.
I would get it on Steam too.
@Uncharted2007 Exactly what I was hoping for, too.
Depending on what games are included, would love to play legend of dragoon again and the shadow hearts games/koudelka , grandia 1
Q : Are you excited about older PlayStation games making their way to modern consoles via PS Plus Premium?
Me : NO.
I'm sure 100% there will be NO Dance Dance Revolution games and other BEMANI games on PS2 from PS Plus Premium.
I already have PS2 Slim and Fat to play DDR games and other BEMANI games on my PS2 machines with their controller so PS Plus Premium just useless for me.
Beside, I hate streaming games.
Trophy support and selection of PSOne games will make or break.
If I could earn trophies while playing MGS1 and also play a selection of games that didn’t come to the UK like Final Fantasy Tactics and Parasite Eve that would amazing.
Having psp titles are cool but where's the vita? I want to play uncharted ga on ps5 😃
@Rural-Bandit actually that's what I have been doing play ps4 games at 60 frames . I don't have many ps5 games. The first couple years of every new console has always slow. I have less than 5 ps5 games
Include Socom 2 online and I will be your slave.
Very interested but depends on what the games library is.
Also where’s the Vita?
I can actually understand where you're coming from and I hugely dislike hypocrisy. Personally speaking these services, both Sony's new one and GamePass do nothing for me because when it comes to new/current machines I prefer to buy games outright and for old games, I still have my PS1/2/3 working perfectly.
@johnny30 Same. I've basically bought three PS5 games and it's been a year and a half. Some upgrades to PS4 games and PS Plus offerings... sure... but those don't really count in my book.
P3 FES, here I come!!!
Would love to see Vagrant Story and Alundra added to this.
At launch the pool will probably start quite small, but you would have to imagine it will grow over time.
I'm pretty happy with the potential here.
@wiiware …..that game didn’t even work on PS TV. Lol Uncharted Golden Abyss would be unplayable without a touch screen
I’m going to take a wait and see approach in this. I’m guessing the library will be middling at best.
Every legacy game on the PS3 store should at least be available.
If I had a request, Tenchu 3 pleassssssse!
I hope they allow individual purchases of the legacy games, and trophy support too!! It's a great extra incentive!!
Pretty cool to see PSP in there. Vita missing is a shame but they could also bring that in down the road. I don't see myself subscribing to this personally as long as my PS3 is still functional. I'd be willing to buy a few games seperate from the subscription though if that happens.
@IonMagi what PS1 and PSP games are available on PS4? I've only ever seen those available on PS3 or Vita.
I want to see what games will be included. As for trophy support, I’m saying Sony won’t do it. I love to be wrong on this.
No Vita which can only mean Vita 2
This would make it the first time PS1 and PSP games would have trophy support, which would be pretty slick. Trophies for PS2 games have made them worth revisiting imo so it would be cool to see the feature implemented on these classics too because it's something emulators can't...well...emulate.
@Milktastrophe Parappa the Rapper 1/2, Loco Roco 1/2, Patapon 1/2...
@ATaco Nah, Patapon 1/2 and all those other PSP Games available on PS4 already had Tropys
If they add PS2 and PSP titles with online support (Resident Evil Outbreak and Monster Hunter for example), I would sub to premium no question.
I’d like to play PS1 games on my PS4, especially if they have trophy support. My main concern is that the selection will be awful, just like the PlayStation Classic.
@artemisthemp That's the spirit!
I hope PS2 games can be purchased without a subscription. I'd be happy to buy Maximo if it were available.
But no way am I subscribing to PS+ ever again.
It would be fantastic if Sony have pulled their finger out for music licencing and brought WipEout 2097/Wip3out/Rollcage Stage 2 back from the grave
@Rural-Bandit "Now people want to play games as far back as 1995 and pay good money for it."
You're confusing what Sony is offering with what people actually want.
Were I to venture a guess, it'd bet that the vast majority of people stick with their current PS+ sub tier. The folks who want to play those older titles want them a la carte so they can simply buy they ones they want, not to pay $120 a year to access the half dozen they're interested in and another few hundred they'll never touch
@IonMagi wait, there were PSP games available on PS4? Did I miss something?
Any games that I'd want to play for PS1, PS2, or PS3 I already own, and I'll just play them on my PC... I'd just be paying a premium for an inferior service for games I already bought.
@ShogunRok especially these days where there are so many great emulation options, some of which even improve the look and performance. The lineup could also be an issue given how many of the best games from back then were third party/licensed games
The only piece of information that matters is the one we don't have: what is the library of games? If you get two games, and it's just the same old games like Final Fantasy VII and GTA Vice City that we've had rereleases of before then this thing is a total wash. But if they dig up some gems - Kurushi, Vib Ribbon, Silent Hill, the original Metal Gear Solid - and they throw trophy support in there then I'll get it just for the legacy games.
Need to see what games will be offered first but, disappointment of no Vita games aside, I'm already far more interested in this than I ever was Nintendo's poorly planned NSO Expansion Pass.
@Uncharted2007 Yeah, proper BC support was my number 1 wish, and it's clear that Sony is going the lazy and profit driven route and it shouldn't be celebrated.
@ATaco You did, yeah. Patapon 1/2, Loco Roco 1/2 for example are PSP Games
@IonMagi those aren't the PSP versions. Those are PS4 remasters.
@Milktastrophe No lol, they run on PSP Emulators just like the PS2 Games on PS4 do. Complete with input lag but upscaled to 1080p. The Castlevania SotN/RoB Bundle runs on the official Sony PSP Emulator too btw
€120 is too expensive. Again I would prefer to be able to buy Retro games rather than rent them.
I hope Nintendo is taking notes and add more retro consoles to their Expansion Pak.
@IonMagi hmm but did Sony market those as "PSP classics" like they did with the PS2 releases? Either way, I guess it sets a precedent for trophies on PSP titles...
@ATaco Its more setting a predecent that those "Classic" Games added to the highest Tier of PS+ will simply be all those PS1/2/PSP Games will simply be those already available on PS4 lol. Plus 300 random PS3 Games
I dont really like Nintendo's subscription based retro access, so not too enthusiastic about this. Also, the old 50/60Hz issue will be there again, and after Sony messed that up on the Playstation Classic and the PS2 games on PS4, I'm not confident they will resolve the PAL issue this time either.
@IonMagi they literally have "remaster" in the title. Some even mention brand new features in the descriptions.
@Milktastrophe You know that Sony loves deceptive marketing and PR nowadays so its always better to assume the worst. Like how they wont add new Games in Tier 2 and 3 monthly and we get 1 less PS+ Ganme too which is pretty scammy
The selection of classic games and whether they have trophies will be my determining factor.
@IonMagi except they did say the library for tier 2 would be updated regularly.
What the hell? £100? Are they off their rocket? 😱😱😱 No way would I pay that much, I have PS2 psp and PS3 consoles with 100s of games I don't need their slimy extortion to play them 🙄🙄
@Uncharted2007 i can already tell you that disc based b/c for those consoles will never happen.
Apple has Rosetta2, Steam has proton, PC has PS1 to PS3 emulators running and Sony still streaming PS3 games. The price seems a little steep just for select library of games. When they could have just made a proper emulator and ask people for paying for that.
This is so true and now sony is going down the game rental route. It will be the best thing ever got to love it lol lol
@IonMagi Well this is all complete speculation at this point, so I'll just wait and see. Doesn't look like the wait will be very long either.
For it too work they are going to have the same library across each region if they can due to licenses because it was one thing that was bad about PSN Store US vs UK the US had far more PS2 classics than Uk and thats because of licenses.
Which in this day and age for older content that is PS1/2 licenses should be stripped back, allow that content to thrive and let gamers of today play some classics
Have all the legacy hardware, so not interested in this service. Guaranteed the selection will be rubbish.
@twitchtvpat You're welcome to believe that, but you saying so doesn't make your statement factual.
@Milktastrophe Regularly doesnt mean monthly or they would have said "monthly" like for Tier 1 lol. This could mean every 2 months...every 3 months...
Where's the list of games? It should be all of them for 100 quid
They can kiss goodbye to any subscribers then..
@Steve30000 Well Nintendo does it too but their Sub at least is dirt cheap lol
Brave Fencer Musashi and Soul Reaver are all I care about!
Cloud games, that is a bummer
Currently eyeing a fully back-compat PS3 and thinking about that pile of PS3 and other games I have upstairs. Feels a better deal for me than this.
Would've bought quite a few of the classic games if they were available for purchase but I'm not paying to rent them oh well I'll just save myself money & continue to emulate them 👍🏻
@PlayStationGamer3919 can already play ps1 , PS2 & psp games on a jailbroken PS4 Sony just can't be arsed to support it officially
Hopefully the PS1 games are upscaled in resolution (like you can do on Retroarch) for sharper appearance
@Uncharted2007..... Difference is SONY knows they have an incredible Library from 94 till today.
Compared to Microsoft Xbox who's decent library was on the 360 only then XBOX BC is kind of useless since its native BC for a lucklustre Library.....
If Xbox had a library matching Playstations' long rich quality library then even Sony would be concerned.
So BC works if you have quality content, its useless if you don't, hence why Xbox then made GamePass and gobling up big publishers and studios.
@danzoEX I hope sony patch it so the touch screen can be replaced with dualsense touchpad. Or maybe delete all the touch feature from the game lol.
As it stands right now, I can't justify upgrading yet. Once we know more than I will make a decision.
It's good that the older games are made available again, but that seems rather expensive.
Christ you think Sony has a massive team to add trophies to old PS1 and PS2 games and patch them? No they don't! Dumb thinking to expect that. Noone is ever happy with anything nowadays. Just quit being a gamer you moaning bitches!
@Rural-Bandit completely agree. I am one of those that simply dont care. Ive never bought a new console with the thought it would play all my earlier machines titles, thats never been something we should expect as far as im concerned. I dont remember the snes playing my nes carts?
Im convinced that the vast majority of people who buy a new console don't do so in the expectation of playing old games, but if you thought views expressed here are representitive of the game buying public, you'd be forgiven for thinking its the most important thing in the world!
I have every single ps game up to ps4 backed up for emulators, but other than research or nostalgia I have no real desire to play them. There are too many current gen games to try for me to want to play older games.
Appreciate for those that love their collections, such functionality would be useful, but to derride the company and be so angry they dont deliver this seems way over reactionary to me. Sony never promised anything....
I have a ps2, 3 and 5 under the telly so no need for me to upgrade. Might be just me, but I hate the feeling of any time pressure to play games i.e. One month left on a sub, games leaving the service.. Etc. I just prefer to own the games.
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