Sony Game MLB The Show 21 Will Be Free with Game Pass on Xbox, Full-Price on PS5, PS4

Sony, pal, wat is u doin

That feels so reverse cowgirl.

I'm staying out of the comments for this one...

Game Pass on PlayStation when?

Well this is... odd. I don’t even know what to say. I love these games but paying full price for it now seems a bit weird. Ah well, without a PC version then I guess I’ll have to!

Wow, so ps5 owners have to pay $70 for this ex-exclusive games while xbox get it on gamepass day one? What the actual f..

Part of me wonders if they'll have a "surprise" PS Plus reveal but, factoring in the Play at Home lineup, it seems unlikely

Jim ryan is Microsoft agent paid by them
To destroy playstation from within

#FireJimRyan

Game Pass is on fire right now but I doubt anyone saw this coming. Huge get for MS.

I’m beginning to think that Jim Ryan is the Kier Starmer of gaming.

Unless they are debuting a rival service sometime soon this is a disastrous look for them. Honestly making me rethink some things..

This is such a colossal screw up by Sony for PlayStation owners and all but confirms to me that Jim Ryan and Hermen Hulst are so out of their depth compared to their predecessors and have been literally coasting on the success of PS4 into this generation.

I can hear Phil Spencer laughing from here. Absolutely insane

Only potential silver lining is that Sony cant stay quiet on this. They may have stuck their fingers in their ears on other matters, like the Playstation store debacle. But the noise around this will be deafening

@nessisonett It's time to reclaim PlayStation by abstaining from everything

@Classic_console He's the one responsible for ps3 success in europe, and he's on playstation team since psone era, that's why it's so weird to see sony like this now.

One thought is if Sony is seeing this as an opportunity to show off the quality of PlayStation Studios' quality to those who only play on XBox. More likely it is just MLB making a deal. Regardless, I think it's a plus for MS as opposed to a minus for Sony - people surely by PS for the likes of God of War and Spider-Man, and those with just the one console will still buy it if it appeals to them

@Terra We will beat Xbox by becoming more Xbox than even Xbox itself.

Blatant lie in the title

My mind still can't process the utter surrealism of this news.

@nessisonett Radical Consoleism

The way I see it is Xbox is really trying to get people to join game pass at an extreme loss for the company to then raise the price a couple years down the line and slowly lower the quality of games on the service. There’s no other way they can keep up what they are doing and make a profit.

@PapaGlitch yeh but for now long ? Ppl on these forums said MLB will NEVER b on Xbox how wrong they were ... Maybe spiderman next or god of war

Not free, renting for $15 a month.

Honestly just embarrassing at this point.

Wow feels like we're heading back into the early days of PS3. These bad decisions like this from Sony is the reason ill stay on my PS4PS3 or PC for years to come, until see a major change.

@get2sammyb They need a State of Play packed with pro-consumer megatons ASAP.

“Free with a paid subscription service”
Not free then, but cheap. Kind of. I think it’s around £120 if you are playing it for the year. Depending on how long you have to game and make use of the other games in the subscription it could be a great deal, or not so much. Good to have the option of course.

This would likely result in termination of the contract if we were seeing the Sony of the PS1 and PS2 era.

Even though the contract was made directly with MLB, it is a bad joke how amateurish Sony PR is. To the point of the entire industry already being sure who treats their consumers well, and who does not.

Sony showing contempt towards their own fanbase at this point.

Jim Ryan laugh
Jim Ryan holding a PS4 controller

lol

@Rob_230 it's not like Phil Spencer could've done it without Sony's consent so I wonder what the actual deal was. They have to know this doesn't look very good, people at Sony aren't exactly stupid.

They gonna get a huge and we'll deserved backlash for this. How In the world is Sony/PlayStation allowing this??? It's a first party game! They could put it on PS+ or Now also, but they're giving away the game to the competition user base and making their users pay full price. I've never seen a more disrespectful movement by a videogame company against their user base before (maybe the nintendo ones).

I assume they have something on the sleeve to counter this, I suppose Microsoft payed big to Sony to make this happen so I'm hopping to see more non-MLB first party games at San Diego soon.

Oh, btw - Outriders seems to be doing quite well on Steam despite being on Game Pass, just saying.

@viciousarcanum
$15 a Month > $70 for Ps5

The more time goes on, the more Xbox GamePass is going to reveal the stark value differential between the two next-gen platforms. Especially with Playstation's pricing antics as of late.

@Medic_Alert I thought it was still published by Sony. That makes more sense then.

@Martsmall it's not really comparable though as MLB was brought about by MLB, whereas other PS Studios exclusives, with the exception of Spider-Man, are Sony IPs developed by first party studios with no outside contractual obligation. I could forsee a similar situation with Spider-Man depending on what happens with rights with that character down the line, but otherwise it seems just as likely you would see Master Chief on PS as Kratos on XBox

Sony being made into a laughing stock.
Lost thsi to gamepass, lost all future Bethesda games, ps now way behind gamepass in terms of quality and value. Only saving grace is there "blockbuster" first party titles (living like Nintendo).

They need to make some acquisitions and make ps now better value otherwise in the long run they will lose out

@Medic_Alert
No, I said “depending how much time you have to play other games” it could be great or not. Meaning if you can only play an hour a night like many of us due to jobs, wives, kids etc, then on a pound per hour ratio it would likely be cheaper to buy games outright, definitely if you wait a couple of months and pick them up cheaper.
This isn’t a comment on Gamepass as such, just the nature of subscription services generally, and their value being based on being time rich.
For most of my life subscription services would have been great, and Gamepass unbelievable value, currently not so much. Especially as I never buy games day one and so rarely spend more than £10 per game.

@Medic_Alert remember that Sony never directly publish their games outside the PS ecosystem, so this doesn't mean Sony isn't getting paid, the deal with the MLB was only for the game to be available on more platforms, not on game pass. Either way we'll never know the details about this.

@PapaGlitch if Microsoft launch game pass on ps u prob will play halo ,I can see that happening, game pass is a money printing machine for Xbox

@thefourfoldroot You can decrease the price quite considerably by buying Gold first and then upgrading. Using that method you get 13 months for £51 if it's your first time subscribing to Game Pass or £61 if you've had Game Pass but let the subscription elapse.

As Gold can be stacked for up to 3 years, you can technically be subscribed to Game Pass for 3 years at £151 (first time)/£161 (had Game Pass but let subscription elapse).

Ouch!

Just as well I'm not into baseball games but if I were, well I'd be mighty cheesed off to say the least.

What next? Horizon Forbidden West to launch on Game Pass on PC? Not a great week for PlayStation fans.

@AdamNovice Agreed, I'm done with this site. I love how they state that it's "free". You're paying $15 a month to RENT games, it's not free. It's funny how everyone made a big deal about not being able to buy games anymore on a 14 year old system yet a rental system where you own nothing and everything 3rd party eventually leaves the subscription is some gods gift to gamers.

I'm here throwing a tantrum over paying $70 for Demon's souls and there's people out there paying $70 for a freaking yearly sports game that probably looks exactly the same as last years, holy ***** 😑

@Medic_Alert I don’t believe they make that much profit off of dlc and mtx’s. They don’t make profit off their consoles either so I just see it as Microsoft telling them to going on a spending spree to suck up a bigger portion of the market so they can start squeezing them for money by increasing prices and lowering the quality of games in the service. That should in turn make more people buy their games at full cost (which will have a smaller production budget due to losses in other areas and the previous generation)

@mucc buh bye

Not really sure what to say to this. After the PS Store debacle all you can really do is laugh. Logically I can see it being unveiled as a PS Plus title, but logic and PlayStation don't always go hand in hand.

@nessisonett It was alarming when that saucy picture of Jim draped in the flag emerged a few weeks ago.

@Medic_Alert as I said we'll never know, but due the fact that PlayStation never directly publish games outside their platforms this doesn't rule out that the deal could also happen between Sony and MS.

@AdamNovice it's perfectly fine, the more criticism the more awareness they'll have of these stupid moves they're doing or letting do to they competitors.

How long do games typically stay on Game Pass?

@Voltan 4 months for major titles, longer for indie crap. First party stuff stays, everything else doesnt.

@Grumblevolcano
That workaround is being shut out soon. MS tried to do it by doubling the price of Gold, but it was too much terrible PR for them. They’ll find another way. Good tip for anyone reading this now though, presuming it still works.
Anyway, barring these sneaky and temporary workarounds that the general public don’t know, my point holds true. Under general Gamepass pricing many will pay much less for their gaming fix, others would be better off just buying the games they want later down the line. Depends on the gamer and how much time they have to play (and what their older game wishlist is like, which is also directly related to play-time)

I think people have to take a stand and boycott this game on PS. I'll do my bit.

😉

@mucc @Medic_Alert Thanks. I guess it matters for a game like this. If you're playing a sports game, you'll probably want to play it the entire season. Game Pass will be great for people who just want to check it out but long time franchise fans will still have to buy it?

Articles need to stop saying free on GamePass. You're paying for GamePass so it's not free. It's like saying a movie on Netflix is free.

@AdamNovice it's a PlayStation news site, what are they meant to do? If you just want to hear Sony approved press releases just go to the blog

I wonder if they (San Diego) can stop developing the game after this one. Unless there's a deal in place where they must continue to develop the game on all platforms. If that's the case, where's the benefit for Sony?!

Ditching further development after this game would be beneficial. Create your own baseball game using the same exact engine and make them PlayStation iconic characters...or something!

@AdamNovice are you honestly surprised? It’s been one misstep after another by Sony. Their biggest selling point for decades has been its exclusive software. In the last 2/3 years alone it’s biggest competitor has doubled its first party studios, including buying one of the industries most popular publishers, and their giving a way big percent of the industry for a fairly low monthly subscription cost. All while Sony has raised the price for games, closed studios, including Japan Studio,Sony can’t rely on 3 or 4 AAA studios and shelling out cash for meaningless 3rd party deals.

I won't be buying The Show for PS5 until it's 40 or 50 bucks (and physical). I get why everybody is upset but Gamepass isn't that great to be honest. I had a 14 day trial recently and had performance issues on my gigabit internet, and twice the whole thing was down and I could not stream games. It was a bad experience and I will not be going back.

@uptownsoul It's an open secret that Sony San Diego is working on another big game. Some signs point to the next Uncharted, but who knows at this point.

@Roel03 people need to let of the "it's not free" argument. It may be true, but I think the headline was referring to the optics of the situation, and for Joe Bloggs it looks like the game is £70 on PS and as good as free, if you have Game Pass (which most do) on Xbox

@nessisonett i love you ness for that kier stamer joke are you a lotus eater.

@ILikeStake Huh? I think you’re talking about xCloud. You download GamePass games. You don’t stream them.

@BamBamBaklava89 in fairness Microsoft's model isn't sustainable.

They're basically doing an Uber and burning through money till the competition ceases to exist then they'll jack the price up and or the quality diminishes.

I actually half expect Microsoft to go the Netflix way in that they'll publish smaller games.. guage interest and continue developing or kill without finishing the product.

@PapaGlitch So paying $15 a month every month is somehow nothing and $70 is?

@solocapers That's it and its going to ruin the industry. Everything is going to be long term live service ***** now with seasons and battle passes to keep people subscribed. Sony said they had big news for PSNow a few months back and they're most likely going to do the same thing.

@Roel03 Well is completely free for the 18+ mill current subscribers and if I wanted to play it I could just fork out $14.99 instead of the beyond ridiculous $70. This is bad optics no matter which way you look at it.

@get2sammyb seems to me MLB forced Sony to develop the game for other platforms while (maybe) becoming the publisher along the way and stuck these deal behind their backs.
If it is anything similar is easy for Sony, strike a deal with the MLBPA (players association) and tell MLB to stick their license where the sun doesn’t shine, becoming a baseball equivalent of PES

@viciousarcanum I have GPU, and I’ve never paid full price. Typically around $90-$120 a year ($7.50-$10.00 a month) if you get it on sale. $180 a year is for chumps.

@Shepherd_Tallon I could get behind that. If that were the case though, Sony could save themselves all this hate they're receiving by making that public.

@Juanalf If you're paying $15 a month for something then the service it provides you isn't free. Also people have to remember here you don't keep these games, they leave after a certain amount of time and if you want to keep playing you need to buy it for more money.

I love both my PS5 and Xbox Series X but just wanted to point out that anyone who plays the full $15 price for GamePass isn’t doing it right. There have been many ways to get it cheaper.

And certainly were in the past. I have until 10/23 and probably paid $100 for 3 years due to the generous conversion rates they had (Though obviously can’t do that good now).

Can't wait for the inevitable twist of the knife if comparisons show the Xbox Series X version performing better than the PS5 version.

What an absolute blunder for your home platform and playerbase if this happens.

@awp69 Well that's just the thing. There were a lot of loopholes people were using to get dirt cheap subscriptions. It seems like they've closed most of them. I have an old XBL account from the 360 days so I plan on seeing if I can get it for $1 or something, but I'll never pay a full $15 a month to rent games. I'd rather wait for Steam sales for something not worth full price.

@Voltan they could if MLB, and not Sony cut the deal with Microsoft. I bet Sony are as angry as everyone else about it

First of all, why does anyone care if GamePass is profitable/sustainable? Do you have stock in the company or something? It seriously doesn't matter - take advantage of it as a consumer while you can.

Second, lots of developers have told the public that GP actually increased game sales. Increased - as in, more sales than if/when the game was/is not on GP. Just because that feels counterintuitive to you doesn't mean that you're right.

Third, MS has stated multiple times that GP is actually very profitable. Just because you don't think it is, or it doesn't seem like it would be, doesn't mean that it isn't.

Just to be clear, I own and play all of the major consoles and love them all.

People pointing out the $15 is making me laugh. Most people I know don't even pay the full MS price. There's all kinds of deals for it online. Plus, you get a hell of lot more for Gamepass than just MLB The Show so yeah.

@awp69 Its all wrapped in the same thing. The app is called Game Pass and there are Cloud/PC/Console options within the Gamepass app. Yeah you can download it, but I don't have a dedicated Xbox and the point for me was to stream the games that were included in Gamepass. Which sucks compared the Nvidia and Sonys versions.

@get2sammyb to be honest this makes me want to cancel my subscription to MLB TV more than it makes me want to get an XBox. However, as someone that was 95% sure I was getting the Jackie Robison edition... now... well... even if Sony is not to blame for this, they were unable to protect their business and consumer, so they are still to blame

@get2sammyb The Show on Gamepass story really should have come out yesterday on April Fool's Day, could have been right up there w/ Lebron and his BHD injury on twitter.

Good job listening to the feedback and fixing the title. 👍

@Voltan Outriders is only free on console with Gamepass and not on PC, but it is still a great deal for Xbox owners.

@solocapers I 100% agree with you and that’s what I’m worried about I actually think Microsoft is devaluing the entire industry. But I don’t think people quite understand how much Microsoft is actually taking away from the PlayStation ecosystem and how different these conversations will be in a few years.

Its surreal to see the Gamepass Logo then the PS Studios Logo when you watch the announcement.

@mucc of course not, but I'm saying most people don't think like that with subscriptions, which is why they're so effective. If I want to watch Stranger Things I could buy the DVD, but obviously I'll watch it on Netflix because to my mind it is as good as free because I already have it for every other piece of content. Once a subscription because part of your regular outgoings, anything on it just gets seen as free. I always refer to the PS Plus games as free, bc I'm unlikely to let my sub lapse as it's just a part of my regular outgoings now, and I suspect it is the grant with GP for a lot of Xbox owners

@BamBamBaklava89 They're fine tanking an industry if that means they can eventually control it.

@Gilvin but if you want the game, why not buy it. You're not losing anything from this news if you were going to buy it anyway, and not buying it because it is going on Xbox is just spiting yourself

@Medic_Alert by you also have to subtract everything they are spends which is A LOT right now. 7+ Billion for Zenimax, the cost of the consoles at a loss (I’m not even gonna try to guess what that is lol), and all of these other deals behind the scenes. With them being a big company they aren’t going to be content with what they are making now. It just doesn’t work that way. Prices will almost always go up.

@PapaGlitch agree in principle but seems like I’ll be better off getting game pass on PC than the game on PlayStation

@AdamNovice
Do i sense a little salt there ? Hows PlayStation Now doing? Yes PlayStation 5 is in the "lead" but i have yet to see one in the wild enless you pay 3times the amount for it or get lucky and beat the bots. And whats pushsquares moderations has to do with any of this. You sound like a "pony" sick of taking Ls

@Shepherd_Tallon

No worries. Your dream is my dream.

@solocapers - Unless you're writing the cheques you have zero idea how sustainable GP is. It's been going for almost 4 years now and it continues to go from strength to strength.

@Waffles12415 but ms makes money in other places. Just scored a $21b contract with the us military. So they just made their zenimax money back, and then some.

In theory if MLB want this franchise to be multi platform from now on then sony could say "go find another developer" next year, it would still be on sony systems as MLB said they want it multiplat.
That would free up sonys San Diego studio to make brand new games and ips instead.

I honestly see no benefit for Sony to keep developing this series from now on and those sony fanboys whining about it should also see the bigger picture

@everynowandben great points!

How many games have you thought you might try, but you're not sure about? I can see gamepass creating more game sales, since it lets you have a 4 month preview of anything you wanted to try but weren't sure you wanted to spend on. Basically, I look at it as the best demo service in existance.

@TrueAssassin86x Playstation is only on the lead on first-party exclusive games but their subscription service is inferior to Xbox. I think any gamer can clearly see this.

To quote something I just said literally two days ago:

"Good Lord, it's as if every other morning now I'm waking up to a new headline as to how Jim Ryan continues ruining PlayStation. When, oh when will this downward spiral end?"

Just woke up. Here we are again.

The only way out of this mess is to make it a plus game within 4 months and even then, you've burned your early adopters. The value proposition of gamepass is staggering. I get you dont own the games, but now given how many games are unplayable without patches, transient nature of digital store fronts and many games requiring server connections, what does it even mean to own a game anymore? £70 quid for an aa studio rogue-like in returnal couldn't look more like a fubar decision if sony tried.

@BrainHacker sony is leading the console sales market and physical games market whilst xbox has the better streaming/subscription service due to having first party titles day one and getting some third party titles day one, if sony were to follow suite then they would be leading in every way possible.

But having one company leading in every department is boring. I'm glad xbox is killing it with gamepass, it freshens things up and exciting to see what they will add next, I love having the option to play gamepass on the go on Xcloud whilst the PlayStation is my main home console. But playstations brand name and image and its third party titles are why it will never leave the lead in terms of physical sales

@BrainHacker That's kinda my point, if it can still do fine on PC, it won't necessarily bomb on PS. Surely Xbox is more of a direct competition to PS than PC is but still.

@LordSteev in those 4 months you surely would of competed the game lol I don't see gamepass as a demo service, it's a massive savings service to me

@get2sammyb Dude, why do you keep saying optics? It's freaking me out a bit. 😂

On another note, as the article suggests, surely this has been driven by MLB and out of Sony's hands. SURELY???

@get2sammyb You're still not telling the full story. It's $70 to keep on one and $15 a month to rent for the other.

@UltimateOtaku91 True. If you leave your fanboyism out of the window and just enjoy the games offered on all platforms, then news like this wouldn't bother you at all.

All I can do is laugh at this. Kudos to Microsoft for taking every opportunity it can to dunk on Sony like Sony did to them at the PS4 launch.

I suspect this is entirely MLB's doing. It's a great move that exposes a phenomenal game to a huge swath of players who have never had access to it before. It effectively kills it's own product - RBI Baseball @_@ - but is a great way to whet player's appetites in it's first year multiplatform, then get them to pony up every subsequent year, or after it rotates out of Game Pass.

I do concede that Sony needs to grab some positive headlines of its own, but I also think everyone is overreacting

@UltimateOtaku91

I'm slow.

@Medic_Alert @Shepherd_Tallon @Waffles12415 i thought for ages that the model of game pass was unsustainable, and prices have to go up soon. But Eurogamer penned a really interesting article on the matter. Its quite a long read, but it is quite eye opening:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-02-17-is-xbox-game-pass-too-good-to-be-true

@PapaGlitch Marvel Games made it vehemently clear they have no intention of moving the Spider-Man game rights to another developer for the foreseeable future

As far as we know Insomniac is going to be making Spider-Man games for a long time but he is also a character Marvel completely own so there's a grey area in regards to whether he can branch out to other platforms

@Medic_Alert I know that, so add that in too. Let's just state the facts here. It's a great deal if you don't like to own games.

Honestly. They should outright stop making MLB games then. SONY Japan was cut and San Diego doesn't attract people to ps. That's 2 less studios for sony this quick. Oh and that studio that never released a game.

Sony needs to make a move. BluePoint, Housemarque and Kojima are sitting ducks, sony.

@Voltan That's why the news of PS exclusives coming to PC shouldn't spawn claims that it will ruin PS altogether.

@solocapers does Netflix sell DLC, Battle Passes and micro transactions?

I am playing Destiny 2 on GamePass and bought this seasons battle pass and will for all future ones.

They want subscribers and their profit comes from the above mentioned transactions.

@AdamNovice
Ya i love watching the fangirls go at on both systems. I own all 3 systems means the fangirls fight over witch ones better.

@Rob_230 I also don't think that Game Pass is sustainable at the current prices.
However, if MS keep it going at a loss for a couple of years, that will sell a LOT of XBoxes, possibly to people who were considering a PS5, and tie a lot of people into the XBox ecosystem. After that the prices can rise and what is the average gamer going to do?

Up to now I had given both Jim Ryan and Hermen Hulst the benefit of doubt that they were doing what was best for PlayStation and their customers, but to recap:

• £70 for all first party games
• "We believe in generations" then announcing Horizon Forbidden West, Miles Morales, Sackboy are all cross-gen while refusing to state whether the new God of War also is (spoiler: it probably is)
• The closure of PS3, PSP and Vita online stores while their competitor doubles down on committing to backwards compatibility
• The promise of more PS4 ports to PC causing hesitation in people to invest in PS5 if to find that only a few years later they come to PC with more bells and whistles than the PS5 version while also being cheaper and no online multiplayer costs attached (even piratable)
• The ridiculous form factor of the PS5 console itself; no consideration for most people's entertainment unit setups
• The half-baked PS5 UI with missing basic features not carried over from PS4 like folders and deleting games from library as well as missing 1440p, Quick Resume, Auto HDR and VRR support that their competitor offers
• Poor DualSense quality control with reported drift issues starting to become widespread
• The downsizing and closures of their Japanese and European first party studios paired with the exodus of talented veterans
• Wasting money on vanity purchases like buying EVO, a move that offers nothing to PlayStation owners
• Resting on their laurels regarding acquiring studios when their competitor is on a buying streak: Bethesda (id, Arkane, Tango, MachineGames), Ninja Theory, Obsidian, Double Fine, inXile, Compulsion; all former multiplatform studios forever gone from PlayStation
• Finally this, Microsoft getting to one up Sony by announcing Sony's own game on their Game Pass service while PlayStation chumps have to pay full price on day one

@TrueAssassin86x Fangirls?!

Really?

Misogynistic and homophobic in one.

Good for you, you can afford all three. Many can't. What did I say the other day about gaming elitists?

🤔

Anyway, it's only baseball.

@mucc he clearly says it is $15 a month. What else do you want???

Do sony care?
They've got Anime 👍😂

@sanderson72 PS exclusive will still keep the PS brand afloat. GP is only an option, its not the be-all and end-all of console gaming.

@UltimateOtaku91 and Evo! 😎

I wonder if it'll be better optimized on the ps5, or will it be equal across the board.

@UltimateOtaku91 😬eesh...not so fast. Poor sony has the US gov is looking into its purchase of the anime service, to see if it's a monopoly of sorts.

What always gets lost in the Game Pass talk is that you also get to buy these games at a discount. So not only do PC and Xbox players get to play as part of a sub, they will get the option to buy it for cheaper than $70.

I think it would be a great gesture of Sony to add the game to PS Plus or at least PS Now just to not have the series loyalist feel left out.

What’s interesting to me is, that MLB as the publisher on xbox platforms has so little faith in the potential success of this game, that they are happy taking a fixed sum from MS, and denying themselves any future profits (except mtx).

MS have far deeper pockets than Sony and now they're digging into these in an effort to crush the opposition. American Capitalism in action, they sure do love monopolies over there.

Do Sony care though? Are they happy to become a software developer only? Every PS owner who's interested in this game needs to boycott it, let Sony know that stunts like this won't stand. I bet plenty will cough up the dough and Sony will be like "hmm, maybe we can have our cake AND eat it" and not before too long one of their premium single player games ends up on GP day one, starting with PC and then on Xbox.

Sony have recently given us some nice games for free but that's not enough, they need to give us more.

@Waffles12415 "There’s no other way they can keep up what they are doing and make a profit."

You say this yet Microsoft stocks doesn't know what a downtrend is. Face it, Microsoft stonks only go up

@Waffles12415 The amount of subscribers will negate the cost to produce games in the long run.

@PhhhCough so I've heard, makes no sense why they would block that but not the Bethesda acquisition? Both moves are locking people to going to a certain company for a certain product. You want the next fallout game? Then get an xbox vs you want to watch the next season of demon slayer? Then subscribe to a site owned by sony

Now if sony was an American company.....

$14.99 a month equals free?
$180 a year equals free?
Interesante!

Huh, that's weird. I guess Microsoft will benefit from game pass even more, especially the negative press Sony will no doubt receive.

@TrueAssassin86x or you just show up to a retailer in the morning, walk in and buy one while the bots are asleep I suppose. It really wasn't that difficult. Fine a store in a small town.

Gamepass is absolutely killing it right now.

Sony have had their pants pulled down here big time!
How long can they go on until they have their own answer to Game Pass?!
Surely Sony have to stick this game in PS Now to avoid terrible PR?

The show being on gamepass also means the game, should people on Xbox decide to buy it, won't have to spend the 70 bucks on it either, that'll probably sting more than it just being on there in general. Getting it for 15 a month AND being able to buy it outright for cheaper... I guess this could also be good for the PlayStation if they decided to price match (doubtful, but still possible).

@Rondoooo9 GP is certainly not free, but the amount of games you get to play versus the price you pay is almost robbery. $180 for 3 years and you get to play new games on day one. If you want to play MLB the Show upon its release date, you will need to buy it for $70.

Im just reading all the comments and im like.. its a Baseball game. It has about 5% interest outside of America and bizarrely, Japan. Sony weren't the ones who brokered the deal , it was MLB themselves and maybe Sony will say something about that to them behind the scenes.

But it is very odd and Sammy is right, it really hasnt been a good year for Sony stumbling from one PR disaster to another, ive just sent my controller in for repair as it was drifting insanely bad after just a few months, they need to get their dung together, start being more vocal, more socially media aware and more friendly.

As an aside, for the first time in my life, im saving up for an Xbox and I did not see that happening, so well played Green Team.

"...as well as on Android phones and tablets via Xbox Cloud Gaming"

This means I can finally play a real MLB on the go! Save the extra $40 on a no name Baseball games for my Switch.

Everyone should get GamePass. I do not have an Xbox. But Android Handheld +PC at home is worth every penny for me.

It is an amazing service. And a fantastic Handheld Solution (Razer Kishi, feels great in the hands)

@truerbluer Gotta admit, it is freaking telling when Sony just gave upwards of 10 games away to all PS owners for free, and yet they are STILL having an utterly disastrous year in terms of news headlines.

If it means more players get to play it that is great news.

When I go on Xbox sites I see countless players complaining about GamePass and Gold. Then I go on PlayStation sites and see everyone touting how they hate what Sony is doing and how great GamePass is. I’m so very confused.

@truerbluer

Post of the day, that.

@MemSec People can and still will buy the game. Not even every Xbox owner has gamepass and game pass subscribers can still buy the game for a discount. It's exposure, it's a huge check from Microsoft, it's game sales on all platforms. They are gaining, not losing.

@Gilvin The MLBA is already apart of this contact. On top of that Sony can't just up and leave. They knew the risk. They wasn't forced to sign. They could have wipe their hands of this years ago. But sports game bring in too much profit. The pro out ways the con.

@MemSec I don’t think MLB is nearly as concerned about the money from these sales as much as getting as many people as possible to play their property. Gamepass is a great way to get a lot of people to play.

Everyone: Jim Ryan is Don Mattrick.
Jim: Wrong, I'm Stephen Elop.

...it's MLB, no big deal. If one day they put something like Horizon Zero Dawn on Game Pass, then it's time to freak out.

Maybe, just maybe, this is a long term play from Sony. Some first party games appearing on game pass for future Bethesda games being released on ps5

@UltimateOtaku91 well no actually it makes perfect sense. There 3 major game publishers and platform owners and then after that a ton of big publishers like THQ, Rockstar, Capcom, Square Enix, 2k, EA, Activisom, etc

Anime, on the other hand, has like 5 big players and that’s being generous.

So yeah big difference.

Wow that's a big L for Sony. 😝
I'm not going to start pretending I care about the game though. I never did.

@AhmadSumadi
Nah PS+ > gamepass rental.

@mucc to be fair, you are completely correct in that it is a rental service. But what’s not usually brought up is that while it’s in gamepass you can also purchase the game at a discount. I can’t remember the actual percentage but it’s not just a couple bucks off. So the opportunity to buy to own with a cheaper price is still a gamepass benefit.

@Floki The point is only with the MLBPA, there the comparison to PES. You’ll have the players but not the licenses.
I do agree with your rationale but, from a PR perspective this really hurts one of their main franchises so I don’t think they were on full knowledge of this (seems like a bad move) and indeed pros >> cons but when an European site has 180+ about a baseball game and most of them negative I’ll say the cons are getting a couple of good jabs in there

@TrueAssassin86x @TrueAssassin86x I mean, it really comes down to less.

$15/mo is for Game Pass Ultimate which is ~$0.15 per game per month. And that includes all benefits of Xbox Live Gold, plus PC, plus console.

Game Pass for Console only (or PC only) is $10/mo. That's ~$0.10 per game per month. That doesn't include any benefits of Xbox Live Gold and you only get one or the other.

It's actually less then that per month per game since there are more than 100 titles there, I just picked 100 to make it easier (plus I don't have the exact count).

Another kick in the teeth is that Game Pass games get a 20% discount if you are a current Game Pass subscriber. So Xbox owners STILL come out on top when buying the game when you consider the overall value of Game Pass (since you can't really use the mentality that you are renting the game for $10/mo as it's not the ONLY game available to play for the lowest price Game Pass subscription).

Bottom line: PS4/5-only users are getting a short stick here unless Sony does something like add it to PS Now on Day 1 or something (since that's the only comparable Game Pass alternative on Sony's side).

@AhmadSumadi Sony and MS cannot please everyone in their fanbase, but it is not hard to see which subscription service offer better value just by looking at the games available.

Good thing I'm not into sports games, but man... Get your ***** together sony!

@Omnigameplayer @Hypnotoad107
I think the majority of regular xbox gamers are game pass subs. If you are only interested in baseball, it is still cheaper to buy into game pass than buy the game on itself.

I also think publishers are in it for the profit. They could not care less if all 18M subs or jus 200k of them try their game for “free”.

I got a Series X at launch, mainly to play Xbox One games (I had a PS4 but no Xbox One last gen). Cared very little for Game Pass before getting it, by bought 2 years of Gold for £70 and upgraded it to 2 years of GPU for £1, and based on that price it blows me away how much value you get. Forza 7 and Forza Horizon 4 alone have covered the cost for me but it also has literally all the Xbox One exclusives I wanted to play, now has all the Bethesda stuff and that’s even before getting to the third party stuff and EA play.

It’s less than £3 a month doing it this way (and it’s not really a special offer price when CDkeys sell 12 months of gold for £35). I understand people want to own stuff, but I love this model, just like I prefer Netflix to buying DVDs. If there’s something I’m desperate to play or watch I can buy it, but most of the time there’s more than enough great content there where I don’t feel the need to be buying anything else.

Frankly, this gets me really pissed off. I buy Sony's consoles... (PS3 - 5) and the show (19-21) and in the year they decide to add cross platform it winds up being free for Xbox users??? Way to support the user community that invests in your products!!! Great PR move.

@uptownsoul I totally forgot about Joe Montana. Well anyway, something has got to give. I wonder how Sony benefits from developing a game for all platforms. MLB must be giving them more money for other platforms. There's no way it's the same exact deal without the pot being sweetened for Sony.

I mean technically you could wait for the 1 dollar deal again, have your fill of MLB for a month then cancel so it’s $1 vs $70 it’s a joke especially for a Sony studio developed game.

I think I might not buy 1st party PS5 games for awhile, they might get the message to stop being so early PS3 and get shot of Jim Ryan

I am actually glad I have both consoles for the first time of my life! This will save me tons of money in the long run. Outriders abd MLB for free, tons of awesome indie games I saw a trailer for and eventually HALO Infinite and other exclusives? Best decision I ever made

Playstation does better deals for Xbox than Playstation for Playstation. Lololololol Jim Ryan sucks. Herman Hulst sucks.

So you can buy it or rent it, who cares? If you keep your gaming calculus simple, news like this shouldn't faze you. I will pay good money for a good game. The value of a good game always vastly exceeds the money I spend on it, if I break it down to dollars per hour enjoyed. I was a GPU subscriber for a year and there wasn't a single game on it that I really stuck with. The glut of titles made it too easy to pick them up and put them down. The psychology of paying full or discounted price for a game and owning it bonds me to it in a way totally absent from Game Pass. I like that level of commitment. It forces me to choose wisely and play deeply.

MS praying this money they keep wasting will get customers it will hook a few but how long can they keep wasting money the Xbox Division is a blackhole.

Er OK Sony, time to act...

Bloody hell, this is rough.

@Shepherd_Tallon i agree. I have kids, so chuck Disney plus on top of Netflix and Amazon and its more than enough. I only have Virgin these days due to the internet. I have no interest in more subscription apps. Case in point. I signed up to PS Now during a sale last year, but my backlog is too enormous, meaning i have hardly touched it. I have certainly failed to get value out of it!

@get2sammyb I agree it's bad optics, but you are forgetting one crucial detail as always, you don't own it on Gamepass. That makes all the difference. In a game where you continue many seasons I would presume Sony is trying to get them hooked for a month or two, then rotating it out in the hopes they buy. Or Microsoft offered them a boatload of cash. Oh Btw you're wrong about Outriders. It is a super fun game and I don't give a crap if someone can rent it on Gamepass. I bought it happily. As unlike alot of people apparantly, I like to actually support the companies that make the games I like. I am positive it will sell well on playstation. Also you can use gamefly if you are unable to pay full price. I am so sick of everyone fawning over gamepass like it's the second coming. It's a rental service for Christ's sake. Gamefly has been around for over a decade. For the same price as gamepass,120 a year, you can get Ps Plus and Ps Now, which if you're a Ps5 owner gets you a bare minimum of 59 games to own plus 1,000 games to rent, 330 of which are downloadable. That includes many new releases. To say nothing of the play at home initiative which will get you 10 more games. It's insane how great you think Gamepass is when playstation has a better deal and value with Plus, Now, and Play at home. As much as you hate on Sony you should really consider a job at Microsoft.

@MemSec I don't know, I suppose there may be a huge portion of owners who are subbed but I do think it's more so the core gamers and thrifty types who really buy into game pass.

I do think publishers like it, obviously, they get paid (different ways to do so) but it is really good exposure and people are for sure seeing your work.

All of these business are in it for the money but developers also like knowing people are actually getting to experience their games, something like game pass helps ensure more people are engaging with your work.

I was going to get this game this year but not anymore! This is just plain ridiculous! Sony, what the HELL???

@nofriendo Thank you, totally agree! I like to own my games for one thing. For two, I like to support game companies that make games I enjoy as I ant them to stick around. For three who cares if someone can rent the same game on another system. It is irrelevant.

@Culjoseth Why would it stop you from buying a game you like just because someone can rent it on another system? They don't own it they are renting it. You can always use gamefly if it bugs you thst much.

@get2sammyb Did you ever consider that Microsoft may be paying that discount to studios that use gamepass to entice more subscribers? In fact I can almost guarantee that's the case.

I can't help but wonder if MS threw a ton of money around behind the scenes to make this whole thing happen. First of all. MLB didn't care for a decade and a half that The Show was an exclusive series, now all the sudden it was a big deal? And while Sony is no stranger to making some bonehead decisions I can't believe it'd think this is ok to basically give Xbox owners on a deal on this while sticking the finger up at PS5 owners.

What the ***** is happening

I can almost guarantee this is because of Jim Ryan. All he cares about is the bottom line. He doesn't care that putting a slew of games on pc dilutes what makes the playstation ecosystem unique and special. He doesn't care thst when you put a game on pc it is no longer just a playstation game. He doesn't care about the importance of legacy platforms and preserving them. He doesn't care about the nostalgia many people have for playstation because so many fond memories were had with friends and family and the system. He doesn't care about the japanese market or it's studios anymore as is evidenced by the Japan Studios closing. He doesn't care about the terrible optics of putting a first party game on the competition's subscription service, because like everything above he only cares about money. On top of that he is a shameless and indignant liar. Fortunately despite all that, to me, playststion is still the far better ecosystem snd place to game. Their exclusives and hardware appeal to me. I hope enough bad press stops him from doing any more damage. Thare are certsin lines if he crosses I am done.

@Gamer83 Not really dude. You are only renting it on gamepass, when you pay full price you own it forever. So it's not a like to like. Though I agree it is bad optics.

@Omnigameplayer
Don’t mistake the devs with the publisher. I highly doubt Sony San Diego had anything to do with the game pass deal. It should have been the publisher, MLB. If they would have believed in the product, they would not sell their game on an ecosystem for a flat rate, without giving it the possibility for it to be succesful (again, without mtx). If they would have thought to sell at least as much copies on xbox than playstation, I highly doubt MS would have paid as much for the game pass deal. Just a hunch.

@Exlee300p I have PSNow, PS+ and Gamepass PC. MS simply offers the better value, no matter how you look at it. PSNow will only add three games with a few indie games per month, while MS added EA Play, Bethesda Games plus like 10 games last month on Gamepass PC.

Renting vs Owning games is subjective but with GPU you can play their exclusive games on day one and if you really want to own the game, you can buy it when its dirt cheap. Imagine God of War Ragnarok and HFW day one on PSNow, who the f-ck doesn't want that?

This past year just keeps getting weirder. Can we go back to normal now please?

@Talon_Zanarkand I don’t know about that, but Sony sure seems to be heading downhill since he took over.

@UltimateOtaku91 I definitely am leaning towards some US business bias

@Exlee300p
You can still buy the game to own and at a discount. So Xbox owners still make out better. Bad optics and a raw deal for the people who have been supporting Sony for years. It's obvious MS used its $ to its advantage to make this happen but Sony should've sold off San Diego Studio to MLB (who is publishing the game on Xbox) for a good price and dropped any and all association.

And the bigger question is now, with PS games already going to PC, what aren't the complete morons who run the company willing to do for a price? God of War: Ragnarok and Horizon: Forbidden West on Game Pass? I'm no longer ruling stuff like this out. The current leadership is full of morons.

This also adds to my concern about what MS is doing. I'm not a fan of monopolies but we're heading straight to that. Hopefully if MS tries to buy any of the major Japanese publishers it will get shut down from doing so.

@JJ2 I think its a win for Sony. They already got millions of dollars with that Gamepass deal even before they release the game, plus the money they would earn from the physical and digital sales on both platforms.

Wow I don't play these games but between this and outsiders coming to game pass day one well Done Microsoft . The saving over 140 pounds on two games and people say game pass is not worth it lol

@Gamer83 What's wrong with PS selling their games on PC? They will still earn money by selling a copy of their games regardless of the platform.

@BrainHacker I respectfully disagree. Ps Plus ad Ps Now is better than gamepass to me. You get 60 games to own and 1,000s to rent. Unlike you I play quality games irrespective if they're independent or not. Furthermore allowing day and date new releases to be played for the price of a rental will have it's consequences. Games may be filled with microtransactions or will be much shorter or any other unseen consequences. So no I have no problem paying for a game to support game companies I like. Also I don't want to have to pay 10 bucks a month forever to play a game I like. For a rental services to work and sell games that cheap they need to not only have10's of millions of subscribers and it forces every game company to come on board and therefore give some of their profit to the service provider. This takes away the dev's autonomy as well. So yeah, I disagree.

Xbox has a shotgun to sonys face

@TrueAssassin86x in 4.5 months it cost more than just buying the game and you get to keep it.

@Exlee300p The games on Gamepass are quality games so, I don't know where you got this assumption that I like sh*t ass games. In fact, majority of games on PSNow and PS+ are third party games.

You can still buy a game even if you've played it on GP. If God of War Ragnarok was released day one on PSNow, I can play it right away without paying $70 and if I want to revisit the game after my PSNow expires then I can buy it for a cheaper price. That's how it works on GP.

Playstation is known for their single-player game. I highly doubt they will move away from this and they are already incorporating multiplayer modes on their games with GoT and the upcoming Factions on TLOU2 without adding these games on PSNow.

I don't really get the mentality of supporting a billion dollar company such as Sony. As a consumer, I should look out for my own wallet and not give sympathy to a corporation that has millions of dollars in their bank account.

I’m guessing mlb the show had abysmal pre orders on xbox and someone at Sony or mlb just decided to take a Lump sum payment from gamepass in hopes to grow a fan base on Xbox for next year’s release. But angst gets clicks, the ps5 is doomed!!!! Jim Ryan breaks into houses at night and smashes ps1 collections!!!

Having been a PS owner/supporter since PSone through PS5, and a huge baseball/MLB The Show fan, this news made me cancel my pre-order for MLBTS 21 from BestBuy. See, I recently got a Xbox Series X, just so I could game with my Xbox/PC friends more easily. It was impossible for them to get a PS5, or they just couldn't afford it. Game Pass Ultimate can be found online for under $7 a month, and honestly it is the best deal in gaming at the moment. I've had PS Now (as well as PS Plus), and honestly, unless Sony can release their first party studios games within the first month or two of release like MS can, they are going to get torched in the future. PS5 is definitely the better console, in my opinion, and there is no comparison in the superiority of the PS5 Dual Sense over any Xbox controller, but Game Pass Ultimate is the real deal. Sony needs to step up to the plate, pun intended. I agree with the thought of how long MS can keep this up for $15 a month and be profitable, but they do have an endless cash flow with their Office 365 services that they sell, among other software/services. I will always be a PS gamer first, but Xbox is really pressing Sony at the moment. Competition is good for the industry, so hopefully this will only push both companies to continue to grow and listen to their fanbase, most importantly.

This is wild! This is a gut punch to Sony. No other way around it. How does your main competitor get the jump on you by having a game previously exclusive to your console, get it free on their subscription service? Gamepass has gotten ahold of some pretty big games lately and that trend might continue if the past few weeks are anything to go by. Sony needs to right the ship and fast! Microsoft is coming for you!

LMAO - No way did I see this happening.

And whilst Game Pass games are rotated out, you also get a decent discount on the 'current' price to buy if you wish to keep playing.

Maybe with a game that's got no history on Xbox, it makes sense to give it on Game Pass for a month or 3 to try and build up a community.

@QueenOfHearts38 assuming you only get Gamepass for that one game. But as also mentioned in the thread you get a discount when you buy games in GP with a sub. Even if if outright bought it’s cheaper.

@mousieone that’s true and I subscribe to gamepass from time to time, but the best deal you can get is to wait for a sale and they happen really fast now. I could buy ever game that I want from gamepass on a sale and it would cost me less than 1 year sub. But if your into renting games it is a great service.

@BrainHacker
Then just stick to software and take all the games elsewhere if that's the argument. No point in making a console.

My glass Is half full. To play the game for a Yr until the next one comes will only cost me £70 on playstation and £96 - £180 on gamepass. Don't be fooled people all is not what it seems

I don't really care for baseball.

A lot of people here seem to assume that Sony okayed this, but I don't think they had any say in this tbh. The Show being on other consoles going forward was announced a little while ago, my guess is Sony had to agree to that in order to renew the license cause MLB (the organisation) wanted to go multiplatform with the game. MLB themselves are the ones publishing it on Xbox, not Sony. MLB basically pitched in big time for development costs, with the agreement that Sony makes it and publishes on PS, and MLB can negotiate their own deals and publish on other platforms. And they struck a deal with MS for Game Pass

I agree obviously with all of the above, it does look bad cause in the end it is a PlayStation first party developed game ending up on Game Pass. It is through an odd series of events that I don't believe Sony had any say (unless they completely lost the license), but it does not look great.

@Classic_console he is don mattrick reborn

@redd214 buy an xbox

@Gamer83 Why would Sony stop creating consoles just because they will be selling their exclusive games on PC? They earn 30% from any third-party games that was sold in their PS store and they are selling millions of subscriptions every year. PS consoles is just a platform for Sony to sell softwares and PC is no different from this. Exclusive games are just a portion of their overall revenue. Why do you think Sony and MS are willing to sell consoles at a loss?

@LegacyRXT I'm good on that, not quite enough there to drop on the box itself for me. Content using Xcloud only at the moment, appreciate the suggestion though

🤣 All the people here complaining. I have a PS5 and Xbox Series X, doesn’t matter to me. Downloading it on GamePass when it releases. 🥳

I like how ppl on this thread or throwing out buy for £70 or rent for blah blah , ppl aren't buying game pass for one game !!!! There are lots to choose from and with microsoft saying that they brought Bethesda with game pass in mind I can pretty much say the future of game pass is set, it can only get better , with Xbox also being able to play only games at a time when Sony are shutting down old game stores Sony have shot themselves in the foot

@Exlee300p Shocked this doesn’t bother you. Sony is allowing consumers that had no way to play it, to now get it at no additional charge than what they are already paying. Fans that have been paying for it every year now still have to pay $70. If that isn’t the def of screwing over your fanbase, I’m not sure what is.

@Gamer83 Why sell it? Why get rid of a cash cow? It's still a great studio and they are going to make a hell of a lot of money. No need to sell it off just because of some upset fans. The easier solution, if you are that worried about optics, is to put the game on PS Now.

@ShogunRok Oh man, if GamePass comes to PlayStation then there is LITERALLY no reason to buy an Xbox, ever.

I've never played any of these games, but will play this one since its on gamepass. Played a lot of games I wouldn't normally have even tried because of gamepass. I've never been into baseball, though I did enjoy the sandlot kids when I was a kid. Kind of nuts that what has been Sony exclusive for years is going to be "free" on gamepass. Though games rotate in and out they're generally available for a good amount of time. I'm guessing Sony are doing this as payment for using Microsofts cloud for the next few years. Would love if PS now would let you download all the games like gamepass instead of streaming. @KippDynamite Could see Microsoft going this way in the future the amount of money they're making off this service is more than the consoles. It also falls in line with there we don't care where or how you play your games line.

@Jarobusa Why would you need Gamepass for a F2P game?

@BrainHacker Sony isn't getting money from this it's going to MLB Advanced Media who are publishing it on gamepass.

@pharos_haven Destiny 2 Beyond Light is not free to play.

Gamepass is such an incredible value - this is why competition is so good for the marketplace. Sony dominated with PS4 and now Xbox is trying to catch up - its a WIN-WIN for gamers

@pharos_haven Sony has a publishing license agreement with MLB, so they could still earn royalties or any monetary payment from the GP deal as the developer of the game in the Xbox platform, but I mean who knows? Sony will probably not publish a statement about this.

Why are you all so mind blown? It's a game that never existed on xb. Of course MS is going to introduce it on gamepass to give it good exposure.
Also, why do you think Sony went multiplat for the game? It was MS offering that sweeeeeet gamepass moneyz, y'all.... quit your childish whining. 🤣🤣🤣

If you are a PS owner that was keen on this game, DON'T buy it. Hit them in their pockets. If you're moaning and still buy it upon release then you're only encouraging Sony that this is acceptable.

A Sony-owned studio make a game but then release it on a competitor's streaming service Day One whilst charging PS gamers full price?

It's pretty ***** outrageous when you think about it.

Hopefully this is the last MLB game the developers make and their next title will be on PS only.

@nessisonett He's the Dom Mattrick of PlayStation.

I can’t read all 265+ comments, but did we acknowledge “3 and out” is a football term, not a baseball term?

Gamepass is becoming the main alternative for those who like playing games and not owning them. Paying $15 a month to access 100+ games and MS AAA first party titles day 1 is undeniable a HUGE value. And yeah, MS has deep pockets, even if it's not profitable, once it hits a certain amount of subs it will.

If Jim Ryan said that the Gamepass format is not profitable for them, then they need to rely now more than ever on their software exclusivity strategy. Hence why this MLB: The Show on Gamepass day one is such a big deal.

Time will tell, but I think once MS starts releasing their first party titles in Gamepass day 1 after all these studio acquisitions, and if they are decent games, people will think twice before buying a Sony $70 AAA title at launch.

@TheDudeElDuderino “Quit whining”? You must be new here LOL.

Wow, this is a lot of comments. It's a multiplatform game that's heading to Gamepass, which doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

@GroundPlay
It'll be interesting to see. Have to imagine some of those games MS will be publishing will turn out awesome. I'm still willing to pay for games I want to play but there's no denying the value in Game Pass.

@Gamer83 Exactly my thoughts. It'll be intrresting to see what will be Sony's next move. As of me, I have not gotten a PS5 yet - not in a rush tbh- but if ever do, I'd still get it only to play the exclusives; everything else on PC with Gamepass.

@QueenOfHearts38 I think it depends on the game. The big titles do usually have sales though. But I use it more to try out stuff that I know I’m not going to buy, things out of my comfort zone.

@BrainHacker I will get it for $15 from gamefly, thankfully there are other options....