Maybe Don't Get Your Hopes Up for Future Bethesda Games on PS5

He's still being quite sneaky with his words. He says "game availability" rather than "exclusivity". It sounds like he's trying to imply exclusivity without saying it to make XSX more tempting, then later he can release TES6 on PS5 and because he didn't actually state "exclusivity" he can't be accused of lying.

Doesn't matter to me either way. I'll be getting it on PC. It's just interesting to analyse his choice of words.

I will miss Arkane, probably nothing else.

Bethesda hasn't released a must-have game this entire generation as far as I'm concerned. In other words, they fit right in with Microsoft.

I won't be buying a new xbox for a few years anyway, only interested in Starfield and who knows when that will come out.

I’ll miss ESO. Defiantly one of my favorite games ever. Miss Elder Scrolls as a whole. But I’ll move on. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Putting aside my obvious love for PlayStation, it's a fascinating situation. Games like Fallout and TESVI don't fit the Game Pass model whatsoever.

These are two of the best selling properties in gaming (Skyrim's one of the best selling games of all time, period!), so having them available on Game Pass means a massive loss in potential profit.

I'm not saying they have to be on PS5 and other platforms, but there has got to be something more to this.

I'm more of controller in hand console gamer, but if need be; I'll just play their games on my PC rather than buying an Xbox for them.

I’m not sure. I personally think that MS won’t be good for ES and such if they do this. Their track record and lost sales + game pass doesn’t seem like a good idea for it. I’d love to be proven wrong though. I love ES on PC (mods for the win with ES).

Definitely bummed to lose Tango Gameworks to Microsoft, although it’s fortunate that we’ll at least get to play whatever wierdness Mikami has cooked up for Ghostwire: Tokyo on our PS5.

I mean the ecosystem still gets stronger by those games just being on Gamepass, which doesn't mean they can't be sold individually to ps4/ps5 users. Might even make sense that way as we'll be subsidizing the affordability of Gamepass, no?

New IPs sure but I just cant see them losing money wise going multiplat/playstation etc on Elderscrolls or Starfield, yes even though it is a new Ip, it basically likely will be Elderscrolls/fallout in space.

So MS just gave up on finding and nurturing talent or potential talent like Sony and just went and bought a company that has been multiplatform for years. Not saying this as some fanboy or anything, I like both consoles but this move is kind of like I dunno how to describe it...feeling of hopelessness in talent acquisition that you have to make your money speak for you, like pathetic rich football clubs.

@ShogunRok i think they will come to ps5 but after at least 6 month exclusivity on xbox. Thing is Fallout and Elder Scrolls are PC modders wet dreams so thats where most sales i think will go. However if Microsoft are smart they know they can make profit from selling on ps5, switch and even stadia while also bringing people to xbox

Dishonored and evil within and prey are the 3 im gonna miss the most if its exclusive to x box.but we will see.word up son

I would expect them to be on gamespass for a while and then, when folks have done with them and downloads dry up a bit, they will be released on PS to squeeze a few extra £££'s out of them. Definitely be on gamepass for at least 12 months first though i imagine.

This news definitely has Sony shook. And it wouldn't be surprising if they go CRAZY with their PlayStation Studios - I'm talking studios getting expanded and heavily financed that we'd see RPG open worlds that'd give ES/Fallout a run for its money coming from devs like NaughtyDog. Whisking away important game directors, designers etc from Arkane, Id, Machine Games etc. Maybe sponsoring licences for PES and making it exclusive. Who knows Dan Houser could be recruited to start an alternate GTA project haha. I trust Sony to go crazy. They've been in this game long enough.

Still no reason to buy an xbox, you can just get gamepass on your mobile for a few weeks whilst you play those games, also I can link my phone up to my TV via mini hdmi and play them on my TV.

If people are clever then they will realise if they have good Internet then there's literally no reason to buy an xbox and just use their phone and a controller

@Olliemar28 the only reason i think they will make their way to PS is because Microsoft will be putting every game these studios make on gamepass. We already know its not the biggest profit maker (at present) so theres gonna come a point that the company wants to bring money in.

Cant keep paying studios to develop games or subsidising third party games to come to gamepass when the balance doesnt weigh up. Microsoft has deep pockets but its still a business and it will want to see profits go up at some point

I'm not reading anything in this statement that indicates any change from the case by case basis former statement.

I don't think they have decided much, and ps fans always assume Microsoft is gunning for them with every move....a lot of this is being designed to fight all-streaming services like stadia. In some ways making fallout shared with PlayStation and not work GoogAppAzonBook helps ms cement hardware-software ecosystems. If sharing with Sony helps secure the console-pc paradigm and push back the other big data telecom players, that's what they'll do. I don't think we can know yet. I don't think they know yet. They'll take some exclusives and they'll use it to boost gp, but beyond that it's 50/50 what goes where.

Simply I don’t care. I downloaded a bunch of Bethesda games off PS now and I swear I have deleted them right after (Evil within 2, Fallout, dishonored 2).

@Valhalla91 err, they know that. That's why theyre seelling that option. They lose money when you buy an xbox and gain subscription money when you subscribe. That's The point. It's not a loophole its the actual product design. Sony wishes you'd buy Now instead of picking their pockets with ssd handouts, too.

Meh, it's what I expected.

Sony have the developers with the talent to make their own Starfield or Elder Scrolls and make both better than Bethesda's efforts.

Well Sony should cease any further PC development for any of their 1st party games.

@NEStalgia yeah but ps now doesn't get 1st party games on release which means you have to have a ps4/ps5 to play them which is an incentive to buy it the console

But with gamepass I can literally play all of Xbox's first party titles without ever owning their console, I don't know if this will be profitable for them in the long run or even if many people will think of doing that, but for people who have a ps5 and can't play bethesdas games then this is their best option

@J_Warrior it may please you to know that Steam fully supports the DS4 and will likely add support for the DualSense fairly quickly

If they are as buggy and broken as all previous bethesda games, they can keep them.

@Olliemar28 MS has published games on Nintendo Switch. And I think, when it makes sense, will continue to do this. It sets a precedence, so it wouldn’t be completely unheard of.

I was saddened somewhat by this until I remembered that all these games will get released on PC (and probably gamepass) as well so as long as I have a half-decent internet connection I'll likely be fine ¯(ツ)/¯ yeah the visuals will suffer a bit but I won't

@NEStalgia Considering their joint agreement on cloud gaming development, I'd tend to agree that they might not be quite as adversarial at the moment as they might usually be, given the not so slow creep of other companies into what had been mostly their territory.

@TheArt That’s probably the exact opposite of what Sony would and should do. It can’t afford to go crazy with money like a Microsoft, but it can double down on the incredible line-up of first-party studios it already has.

Cool. Im happy not spending another penny on a Bethesda title again. I just want the story to go away now so we can crack on with the hype for the PS5

Not very 'pro-consumer' of him is it which he supposedly prides himself on appearing to be.

It's a bit of a sting, not gonna lie.

I get that people can say that Sony doesn't share either but to be fair ES and FO are bigger than most of Sony's titles, cost a lot to produce and have historically been multiplatform.

I can't see Phil making a profit for a decade atleast from this unless he releases those two elsewhere. Xbox fans say they don't care for 'one and done single player' so the playerbase and downloads will dwindle. He'd make more money charging PlayStation players full price as opposed to a low cost access fee from his own customers.

And what about TESO? are the gamers on PlayStation just going to be cut off? Again, not very 'pro-consumer' for a game we do actually have.

I'm not one for the idea of buying up third parties, I think they should be left alone for all to have but on this occasion I would say Sony would be wise to acquire CDPR before Microsoft tries to. Atleast then they can get some of their own first party compelling RPG's that will make the Xbox a little uncomfortable and consider a trade.

@playstation1995 I love the Elder Scrolls series but yeah Dishonoured is also a great series that will be missed.As for The Evil Within...if they announce Evil Within 3 exclusive to Microsoft then that's it,I'll be moving to the other side.

Sony has the studios and it has the talent. An investment of $250 million, like they did with Epic, on those internal studios could easily counter Microsoft's $7.5 billion spend. Would they get established I.P.s like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom, and Wolfenstein? No, but they could diversify as they did with Days Gone, Horizon, Ghost, Spider-Man, Dreams, etc. Microsoft is buying I.P. Sony is creating it.

I am a massive Fallout fan (Except Fallout 76) and a massive Elder Scrolls fan.............. BUT, If that means I will have to buy an Xbox to play them? Then Fare Thee Well Fallout and Cheerio Elder Scrolls. Thanks for the memorys BUT your not worth me paying £450 to play you.

£590 to buy a Series X (£450), Fallout (£69.99) next Elder Scrolls (£69.99) physical copies of the game

If it turns out that Elder Scrolls and the like is exclusive to Xbox, then I may shell out the money for one a few years down the line. Until then, there's more I wanna play on Playstation.

Been so long since even a peep about ES6, so currently I don’t care. Have fun with xblows I guess.

Everyone keeps debating and screaming how is Microsoft going to make it's money from gamepass!? 😱 Simple answer they won't and they don't care..I expect them to buy more studios sooner rather then later.

All this time Sony has been poking the bear not noticing that the bear is worth over a trillion dollars. Honestly seeing how Sony wasted money on the time exclusive FF16 it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft buys Square Enix next 🤷

I honestly don't know what Sony can do to counter, maybe stop throwing away money at time exclusives and spend the money on more internal projects and possibly resurrecting some old ips.

Anybody with a semi decent PC, invest in an HDMI cable, plug in your Dualshock, download DS4Windows and you don’t need to go anywhere near a £450 console but can play these games on your TV with a Playstation controller. It’s an interesting situation but just further reinforces that PC is a viable format to supplement your chosen console.

This will be an interesting generation of consoles. With Amazon Luna, Google Stadia and Microsoft xCloud, it kinda feels like eventually Nintendo and PlayStation will merge with Microsoft to be able to fight back.

Edit: Or maybe Nintendo and PlayStation can merge with each other finally and rule them all.

@LiamCroft True, Sony may not have the money to throw around but they've shown through the years they're one sneaky clever bas****. Say they decide to finance Konami to acquire significant licences for PES and makes them exclusive for 5 years, I don't think MS can come wave their money around like "Hey we're buying you Konami, cancel whatever you got going with Sony". It's these little clever deals, talent discoveries, and doubling down on PSStudios is what'd make them stand against this MS Bethesda acquisition.

@BNAG_Gamer. I feel the?sane?way also.i love dishonored and evil within.and prey.but x box try to force people to buy a. Xbox.f 🤔ck that.it might still come to PlayStation.but it is what it is.word up?son

@Wazeddie22 evil within 3 probably will be it.or prey 2.but you never know those games might still come to PlayStation.word up son

Not sure why some people are mad about this. People said xbox needs more exclusives, and bam, now they will soon.

@TheArt
The issue that you run into with sports licenses is that the entity providing the license typically want as much exposure as possible. Sony's MLB The Show was forced to go multiplatform for that very reason.

Wasn't expecting anything less. Why pay that large fee to essentially leave the assets as multiplatform?
I'm excited at the prospect of an iD software Halo game and an Obsidian Fallout. So it's not all Doom and gloom. For the people who only have one console it's not so great but there's enough exciting positives here to keep me happy as a gaming fan in general

If it makes them 7 million new Xbox customers on Game Pass Ultimate that is just over $1billion per year so should make that money back over the lifetime of Series X assuming 7 year cycle.

Other than Doom Eternal, I really haven’t been thrilled with any of Bethesda’s efforts recently. I’m ok to pass. If Elder Scrolls VI is as good and revolutionary as Skyrim was for its time, though, it may be a tough pill to swallow if not on PS5. Oh well!

Sounds like his usual PR speak. Trying to con people into getting an Xbox but not outright using the words “exclusive” so he can’t be accused of lying, lol.

With how hard Sony is pushing excluding Xbox from games (can't even call them exclusives since they're PC/PS5) it won't surprise me if Microsoft freeze out Sony.

Think that's too much money to spend to allow them to be released on your main competitors platform. Maybe some smaller games might get released, but I would think all the big hitters will only be available on the PC and Xbox. I thought they might have even tried to back out of the timed exclusive deals. They've showed a bit of class by honouring them.

@Valhalla91 and that's why PSNow is kind of irrelevant. They're missing the whole model by which subscription works and trying to gimp it so it didn't compete with what they say is their main business. They've done that to every digital service they're started.

Ms are quite happy if you subscribe on your phone. If you pay, and play, you're an Xbox gamer, with or without a box or pc... You're still playing games in their platform. Remember, consoles are subsidized. Sony and ms lose money when we buy it. They make it up when I buy games and services. Cloud gaming bypasses the hardware subsidy and they profit from the first month payment.

The goal is to make the platform interesting enough that you want to continue subscribing because it offers so much of value. The second goal of to have so many subscribers that making $1 profit a month is still massively profitable compared to a smaller market paying $70 twice a year. The average gamer buys 2 games a year. Seems crazy to us enthusiasts. But that's the average. So they can get $120 (or 140 in Sony's new monopoly money) minus hardware loss, or they get 180 for a year of subs and no hardware loss. And the income is stable... That's highly beneficial for investment. You get more value, they get more money, and if you like a game you're likely to buy it, also, if you have hardware and get better performance. Everyone wins. You get value, they get more money.

That's where Sony seems so backwards right now. They're trapped in old thinking of hand and leash sales while competitors creep up. They're unwilling to take minor loses now to secure stable purchases later from happy customers. They're starting adversarial at the gates. They could be leveraging their brand and good will and stay at the front. But they don't appear to want to.

Ms isn't selling a box. They're selling a store, and platform (not surprising from an os company that sells the platform even PlayStation is running on...). No matter what box anyone uses to access it, if you access it, you're on the platform. You're renting their xbox and library, monthly rather than buying it all, but it's still, long term, cert high profit potential, if it can scale as big as is needed. Thus Bethesda and other high profile attractions.

@Enigk and remember zenimax mmos console gamers never hear about. It comes with a profit engine built in, outside xbox.

For me this aquistion means nothing. Yes I did purchase Fallout 4 but I have not played it months. It's not a must have for me nor are any of the other Bestheda games. So no Microsoft I'm not impressed. In fact you wasted 7.5b dollars in my opinion. But I understand you have to play catch up. . I play all of the Sony exclusives . Should have brought Ubisoft I play more of those games. Spending money doesn't give you quality games. It's more about the talent you have. So if this is some elaborate plan to get people to buy the Xbox it's a FAIL with me. You won't get my purchase. You guys have a few good franchises you could have done something with like Fable,Halo without the delays. If you can't get that together how the heck will you get Bestheda together. I hope you guys pulled out the blueprint for the 360 caus this gen was not your best

Bethesda games are mediocre at best. Maybe don't get your hopes up at their games ever being great.

Doesn't everyone with a ps4 also have a pc and switch? 'Ps4, pc and switch is all you need this gen'😜

P.S I have a ps4 but can't afford a pc lol.

I'll get the series X a few months after it's release anyway. Game Pass is way too appealing. Either pay PS5s £70 a game, or £11 that month on Xbox for the game I want to play.

They will be exclusive to Xbox and rightfully so, as they are the proprietors of the studios. This is business, just like people celebrate PS exclusives people will now celebrate Xbox exclusives. We all need to accept that and not make a big fuss about it. It is business and I think in the near future more of these things are going to happen, it is going to get interesting.

Microsoft would be stupid to release it on PlayStation. You don’t spend 7.5 billion and place well know AAA titles on the competitors system.

This is what breeds great products, competition. This type of moves makes me actually want to invest in a Xbox series X/S.

Sony needs to look at this and evaluate their stance. Not necessarily go buy some studio but just figure out to get in front and prove they’re still the best.

@lacerz I was thinking something along the lines of...the PS version of PES has all the licences but Xbox doesn't.

@Rash Not mediocre, I think some of them are great games (I love Dishonored for example) but I think most of them do not sell as well or as people think.

Dishonored 2,for example, did not do well sales wise, which hurt because the game is amazing. But Bethesda games do not sell like playstation studios games. For example, I do not think a Bethesda game sold 10 million this generation while playstation had quite a few who did. Of course if I am wrong please feel free to correct me. I do not have the numbers in front of me but I am going from memory of many articles I read in the past pointing to the fact.

@get2sammyb Deathloop and Ghostwire are two of the biggest waste of money for Sony in recent years. The games themselves will probably be great but is Sony really going to push essentially two xbox games? I can't wait to see that Microsoft studios logo on my PS5.

@AdamNovice I will agree with your point only and only if the PS5 is a resounding success on par with the PS4 and the Xbox Series X is not. Basically, if this upcoming gen is more of the same as this one we are currently in, with the PS4 obliterating the Xbox One, then I will agree with your point that they might come to PS5 for the simple fact that it would be stupid for both Microsoft and Bethesda to ignore the 4X larger playstation market compared to the Xbox market.

Of course, it all depends on how well the Xbox Series X does in the market. If it does well or it is closer in sales to the PS5, akin to the PS3 Xbox 360 gen, I do not think any Bethesda game will be playable on playstation.

Just my opinion.

@playstation1995 They COULD come to Playstation after a year? Minecraft IS a Xbox studio game and thats multi platform?
It all depends IF Microsoft wants to share or not? I know Sony wont share any of there 1st party titles with Xbox???
Who Knows what will happen

@AdamNovice No I legit want to see it as I'm getting Ghostwire. All I'm saying is Sony should hit eject on those two games, don't spend anymore money on them and take the loses and regroup.

@Juanalf

“I can't wait to see that Microsoft studios logo on my PS5.”

It may seem petty, but that is exactly 1 big reason neither of those games will hit my PS5.

Didn't they always play better on Xbox than Playstation consoles anyway? It still sucks though

Out of those games Elder Scrolls is the only one I would miss. Fallout just isn't the same. Doom was a great game but Elder Scroll is my game of all the choices from Bethesda just to be honest. It will suck but after I look at it. It is like its 3 to 5 games we will possibly miss on the PS5 and the biggest is elder scrolls. Hopefully MS doesn't mess with their development and try to put their hands in making the game which would honestly not be a good thing but hey good for MS with that mega purchase.

@BNAG_Gamer get the series s, with gamepass

Microsoft has deep pockets for sure but it does not mean I have deep pockets. At least it will be some time till we see the likes of Fall out or Elder scrolls. But in the end the customer is the one that's hurting for paying for an extra console.

This just ensures I'll be getting a PC, which makes me wish PlayStation didn't have exclusives anymore now that there's so much more it isn't getting with Bethesda gone

If they were going to be on PC Game Pass, I was never going to pay $70 to play it on PS5 anyway.

Just like I do not buy any games on Switch or PS4 that I can play for $5. Just play it with Xcloud for $15 if you have no PC.

I hope we can hear in the near future about what the studios think of this acquisition. I really wish Microsoft and Bethesda the very best in their new-found partnership, but I just wonder if the studios knew of this ahead of time and how they felt (I am sure they did).

For example, my favorite studio of that group is Arkane, because I love the Dishonored franchise. From certain interviews they seemed estatic, lively, to be able to work with the PS5 hardware. They praised it and Sony. Now with this acquisition they will probably not be able to work the the system again, which considering how amazing and talented they are to me, and as a future PS5 owner that I will be, it is really a sad outcome in a personal level. I would really like to hear their thoughts on the acquisition. Same with Shinji Mikami's studio, considering they will now develop for a console manufacturer that has never done well in his home territory (even though most of his games are indeed targeted for the western market).

Of course, I am sure they will do well with the Xbox Series X and I hope they are succesful. I am sure with Microsoft's backing they will continue to release more great games that do their talent justice.

Having those games available FREE on day 1 on Game Pass does make the Xbox a stronger proposition - especially if game prices are going up. If you can play them free on Xbox on day 1 but have to spend $70 to play them on Playstation, that's still making MS stronger.

I don't expect every game to release on Playstation but Elder Scrolls Online content as well as Doom, Wolfenstein and Fallout would perhaps continue to release on PS with new IP games like Starfield becoming an Exclusive.

You know if Sony bought Bethesda, there wouldn't be any discussion about games releasing on Xbox...

@PhhhCough A Series S? You mean the console that Game has been selling all week because NOBODY was buying them?
Seriously tho, I dont do digital consoles, Never bought a PSP GO even tho I wanted one, Have a physical Ps5 pre-orderd. I prefer having the physical discs.

@BNAG_Gamer I bought one. Perfect gift for my kid at christmas.

The bad thing for Sony is that they simply don’t have that kind of money to throw around.

That said, if I was in charge of Sony I would strongly consider buying a smaller third party publisher. Something like Konami (for their IPs) or Capcom (for their excellent development teams). Maybe CD Projekt Red.

@BNAG_Gamer I'm not trying to sway you, one way or the other, just saying there are cheaper ways to play said games. I just described something cheaper than £450. Hell, if you have a decent pc, just get gamepass.

I don't get the pettiness if not wanting to see some other company's games in your hardware like your console choice is a political statement. I see Microsoft logos on my nintendo. I see Sega logos on my xbox. I used to see Sony logos on my pc (remember everquest?). Nobody would be complaining seeing Nintendo logos on their PlayStation. Why Microsoft? Getting good games is a good thing no matter who owns the brand. If you want to reject logos, try ea and Activision.

@BNAG_Gamer X is for "gamers" and xbox fans not getting a ps (or preferring ms), s is the mass market console for cod/fifa casuals and PlayStation/Nintendo fans buying a second console. The "gamers" do pre-orders. The mass market will eat up S on retail shelves. It's the people that bought ps4 slim, but not launch ps4 and wouldn't consider a pro. Plus existing other console players that want a nice small cheap gamepass box.

@BAMozzy "You know if Sony bought Bethesda, there wouldn't be any discussion about games releasing on Xbox..."

Absolutely agree with these sentiments of yours. People just need to accept this business transaction and move on. Microsoft is playing catch-up, so to speak, to Sony, so this was a business move to close the gap.

Also, regarding your Game Pass comments......I think game pass is obviously an incredible deal for gamers, there is no denying it. My question is in regards to developers. Do you think they make they best amount of money they can make by releasing the game on game pass?

I admit I still need more knowledge regarding this service, but I would always wonder, with the rise in game development, do developers really make the most money by investing in game pass, or releasing the game traditionally?

@NEStalgia I don't get the pettiness, either. It's like Sony/ms picked on these people their entire life, or something, it's ridiculous. As a "gamer" I would want as many ways to play the games, that I want to play. If that means a ps5, so be it. An x, guess I'll get one.

I already expect Bethesda games to skip PS5, maybe some selected cases will come on Sony console, like the Ori games coming on Switch, something like that.

From Beth the only thing i like is id software games and maybe Tango, if they manage to deliver something good with Ghostwire.

Anyways, i will decide later what console will i get, so no problem for me, if Beth or the rest of XGS manage to deliver a handful of good exclusive games for XSX then i will get that instead of a PS5.

Here we go ,if I was a game developer il release it on everything.

Remember Tencent in all this. They've been gobbling up gaming at a terrifying pace, and their use of epic..... And the engine the industry runs on, should be frightening to everyone. As well as Sony who's getting that customized engine from them.

Remember Bethesda is id, the other big engine coompany. Much of this buyout may have more to do with securing pc from tencent/epic, and securing an engine tech platform as insurance against Tencent/epic/unreal. Sony may not even a a noteworthy factor in it at all.

Next-gen console wars journal:

Microsoft: 12TFLOP machine!
Sony: We believe in generations, and our SSD is faster!
Microsoft: We will continue to support Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One
Sony: We will make Spider-Man character an exclusive character in Marvel's Avengers
Microsoft: Xbox Series S at $299, Xbox Series X at $499, pre-orders later in September
Sony: $399, $499, and pre-orders start NOW!
Microsoft: We bought ZeniMax!
Sony: [expletive]

😶-Sony needs to try an buy CDPR to some small degree counter Microsofts purchase of ZeniMax Media. Why? Because Microsoft sees games as a service as everyone's future and that in my opinion, is a downgrading future for ALL of the gamers and great gaming communities, why? Because with higher bandwidth resolutions like 4k and 8k in the future (not to mention any further future resolutional increase) and internet data caps present (unless you PAY MORE for Unlimited) the games will suffer from visual resolution degradation from the steaming of Games process, not to mention the obvious lag that we all know that'll be ever present no matter what solutions that they use to improve it, all because Microsoft wants to buy up as many of the Major gaming developers that they can afford and their IP's, to (IMO) corral or force the gaming community to have to accept these games being in their playable format of choice (streaming), then as that progresses the prices will rise as the visual quality and playability suffers! I hate the (people) FROGS that are in the pot, as the heat is slowly being turned up, saying "what can you do, it's the future" "I stream (NON-Dynamic) movies all the time on Netflix ect, it's the same thing", the stupid frogs that are sitting in that slowly but surely boiling pot of water. I say to them, buyer beware, because I'm no frog. I personally by Disc only and Digital downloads are the precursor to streaming, so little as humanly possible for add-on DLC only. 😁👍Happy gaming everyone!

@Salt_AU That's it. I mean a few talents were sacked from Infinity Ward and Respawn was created. It's scouting the right individual talents. Dan Houser is free right now, this is a man with immense Rockstar experience, he could direct a new Rockstar-like openworld project if giving an enticing contract.

I've finally come to terms with this. I'll be building a PC this winter. It'll be solely for the games I can't play on PlayStation.

I think it would be crazy to expect MS to release these games day and date on the ps5 platform. This is a play to drive gamers to Game Pass. Releasing ES6 on ps5 day 1 is counterproductive to that. I mean, they MIGHT put it on ps5 after a year at or two, but don't expect them to say or how long it would be exclusive for. Why would they. Not knowing if or how long a game will be exclusive will drive people to pick up GP to play on pc or xcloud at the very least in a lot of cases. They would probably prefer people to play on pc or xcloud over console, since their consoles lose money.
If Sony wants to push MS to just be a 3rd party publisher, just allow xbox to put GP on the PS5. Then there would be no need for xbox to make consoles anymore. I'm sure they'd happily abandon the hardware game.

Yeah, I'm assuming they aren't coming. If they do someday, I'll be pleasantly surprised, but it seems most likely that new games in these series have been effectively taken off the PS ecosystem. Bummer, sure, but it's not like there won't be more than enough excellent games to play as is.

@Dr_ENT The same applies for me. Bethesda games are utter Trash in my opinion.

I’m mainly concerned about The Evil Within. Having to buy a new console just to play any more sequels will piss me off. Just like how Deadly Premonition 2 is Switch exclusive.

Sony have long history of funding or developing new IPs, they don’t just buy them.

It certainly would be weird if new Doom games were exclusive to MS. They’d certainly be losing loads of money in software not coming from Sony machines. I’m not convinced they can make it work financially.

After seeing the interview, I'm actually more inclined to think these games will mostly come to PS5. Phil was asked straight out if these games will come to Playstation, and like a true politician, he answered everything but the question.

More sad about loosing ninja theory than Bethesda as a whole.
Bethesda's output has been fairly unimaginative for the past years and their business practices left to be desired.
It's fine that Microsoft bought it up and will push Sony to work harder.

Yeah come on they do not need this software on PS5, for the first time ever IGN’s little console war flaming polls have had massive shifts in the “I choose Xbox” votes since. Everyone says “oh how will they make their money back”, I’ll tell you how...you will see a massive shift in the console market to Xbox purchases, even those alongside PS5’s, and you will also see a huge boost to gamepass subscriptions on Xbox as well as PC, and then of course we’ll see how people like xcloud further down the line.

Don’t underestimate how many people still love Bethesda RPG’s, and that’s just a portion of the library!

For 7,5 billion you can fund quite a few things Sony just keep going on revive a few old franchises and start up a few new studio's.

I couldn't care less if they are exclusives, sure I had fun with Fallout 4 but their last genuinely great game was Skyrim nearly 10 years ago now and honestly CD Projeckt Red has surpassed them in that genre. Given games development time these days and their own projections, at worst I might miss out on 2 games, hardly worth buying a console over. In fact I'd be more likely to buy an Xbox to play Fable and Avowed anyway.

So many claiming their going to Xbox over this but what are you playing in the mean time? Assassin's Creed Valhalla? Something tells me when I get my PS5 with Demon Souls and Spider-Man that I'm not going to really care that I may miss out on the next game made by the Fallout 76 developers

@Eadgar gamepass is a good deal but I worry about the industry as a whole with this model. Devlopers don't seem to be incentivised the same way they do when they have to sell their game potentially removing what makes some games unique. Its like getting paid before the job is done but I guess we will see.

I think what worries me from a Bethesda standpoint is how little I care. I loved Oblivion and New Vegas but thanks to later games they released I don't think I would care if I never played any of their games again. Especially when there are so many excellent developers out their now.

Let's hope MS actually nurture this developer this time around otherwise RIP Zenimax studios.

I could not possibly care less about this. Bethesda is one of the most mediocre, overrated developers. Their games are bloated, clunky and insipid. They should be right at home in the MS/Xbox stable.

Microsoft consistently buy game producers that are of no interest to me. Even though I like the dishonoured games I don't feel the need to play any more of them.

Guess I can say goodbye to any further sequels of The Evil Within. I’m gonna miss Sebastian.

it bothers me that everyone says PC gaming is a great alternative..have you checked the prices for gpus? 4k 60hz..they worth as much as a next gen console alone..have they fixed the HDR mess with windows? controller support? multiple game stores? only digital games cause its really hard to get physical on pc and try to install 10 dvd's lol...cheaters? gaming monitors? are they any good as the top of the line TVs? (NO)..pc gaming was such a mess and waste of time and energy that made me invest to the playstation ecosystem with the ps4..best move of my life.

@zebric21 as someone who's pre-ordered the PS5 but currently only has a PC, I can answer a few of your rhetorical questions:

GPUs are a price mess at the moment, but if you're happy to limit yourself to 1440p60 there are some decent options that won't break the bank and you can upgrade in a few years time.

HDR is getting better but it's still not as flawless as I'd like. For instance when I change the volume in a HDR game the windows overlay forces the colour mode to something different for a second and that's jarring. Also when I quit Hitman 2 the colour mode often sticks and the screen has a weird fuchsia tinge.

Steam now has excellent controller support through its overlay, changing prompts based on what controller is attached for supported titles, and allowing full remapping of buttons to other controller, keyboard, and mouse buttons whether the title supports controllers or not. It's really neat.

For the most part everything worth playing comes to Steam, even if you have to wait a while, and so far everything that hasn't been available on Steam on day 1 has been available on PlayStation on day 1.

Digital games aren't really a price issue on PC because of competition and sales, but yeah maybe that's an issue if you like a Steelbook or whatever, because there are fewer of those. I haven't bought a physical game on PC for well over a decade because digital has been easier and had no personal downsides.

I've not had any issues with cheaters in a long time outside of Borderlands games where I don't really care, probably because I stick to Steam and games which tie not cheating to keeping access to your games library.

Gaming monitors will blow your TV out of the water if you sit at a desk to game. I don't, so I plug my PC into my TV. It'll plug into anything a console does and more.

I'm buying a console for convenience and access to exclusives, but I wouldn't discourage anyone from having a PC too.

Everyone: Still won't get an xbox. I'll play them on PC and on Game Pass.

Yeah, that's the point. MS aren't trying to lock you in to the xbox hardware. They are locking you in to the xbox platform. They are trying to make xbox the windows of gaming. And it won't matter how you play these games, it will most likely link you back to an xbox account, and will definitely feed that money back to xbox.

I will have both next gen consoles, but glad that the Xbox will be getting some exclusive titles for a change.
The lose of income from bringing titles to eg Sony will be felt somewhere though,
I have a slight worry that they will try to to monetize some aspects of the games...
Don't think it will be buying in-game currency, but rather the type of things that we've seen in recent Assassin's Creed - skins, weapon packs, double xp for a few hours, horses etc.
I'll be one of the ones that just use the basic game in game pass and they will get extra money from other gamers!

@TheArt regarding Microsoft paying for talent; the argument is a bit silly as if you look at FFXVI timed exclusivity... Sony didn’t curate that, they just paid for it straight up. And playstation would have received FFXVI anyway; so they are just paying for Xbox gamers to not have access to it. Same with Spiderman in Avengers. And potentially same with Zenimax games from Microsoft. It’s all in the game!

I play on PC and will be buying a PS5. I don't like this at all. I feel like we're being forced to buy Xbox to play these games which have long since been multiplatform.

It leaves a very sour taste in my mouth so I won't be preordering any game they force as a Microsoft exclusive. They bought Minecraft and continued to make it a huge success by continuing to support all platforms. I don't see why they would want to mess with the formula Zeninax had going.

The only Microsoft thing I'll be buying this generation is a new controller for my PC.

@theheadofabroom i get your point,but check some facts..nothing compares right now with an oled LG tv for gaming..and you need a very fast and big SSD..1TB for serious gaming in a PC is not enough..(you have more software and bigger OS there)..so yes its an alternative but a costly one and with more hiccups and optimization issues..i also compared steam prices vs ps4 retail and guess what steam was more expensive every time..

No big loss to be honest they have not made a decent game in years .

Almost 90% of the commenters(I am generous with the percentage, I would have said a higher number otherwise) have no clue about how investments, transactions, and finances are recorded.

I am literally just watching you all talk about investments like you have some clue about how it all works when you couldn't possibly be farther from the actual concepts associated with acquisitions ...

I can respect journalists and their ethics around wanting to "uncover" the truth with as "little" (I mean at least in theory) bias as possible.

But why pretend to know how a business handles its transactions on paper?

Why do you all keep treating this entire acquisition like its a bloody expense when it is not?

Do you all honestly really believe that when Sony or Microsoft, multi b(Tr)illion dollar companies make investment, they are managed without a proof of concept, multiple cost analysis, assessing potential benefits while mitigating risks?

It is mind boggling.

Then there are these other people who all call themselves gamers, but will "not touch" a game they played for years because it's now owned by some company they "deemed" anti consumer because of some sense of loyalty to their preferred platform?

Games are games.

I buy games on a console made by a company I find absolutely ***** for when it comes to handling their customer service and warranties. I will never forget the ***** my family had to deal with because they made a mistake by purchasing a vaio.

Be loyal to games. Not a plastic box.

Be loyal to your wallet, and don't worry too much about the sustainability of multi billion dollar corporations.

@Arnna technically any company producing an exclusive is losing a bunch of money when they chose to go exclusive. This is not just true for Microsoft but also Sony exclusives.

While we all play 110 Million Ps4 sold and measly 30 million Xbox sold mantra, let's not forget that there is still more money when games are provided to a wider audience.

Let's not jump between "oh Microsoft will make more money if they remain multiplatform" while also praising how "exclusives are the backbone for Sony's" success.

Technically buying a console just to play "horizon and bloodborne" doesn't make me overly joyous either.

@AdamNovice (comment 81) well I am certainly glad that the decision is not up to you at all then, aren't I?

@BAMozzy entirely agreed with you.

@AhmadSumadi Unless I'm mistaken, they've already said ESO won't be affected by this. It'll still be playable on Playstation since it's already an established game on the platform.

@MattBoothDev

I am quite honestly unsure about how your decision has changed at all?

Were you planning to buy an Xbox before Microsoft purchased zenimax?

Or are you simply suggesting that you plan on boycotting any games that has Microsoft listed as owner?

I am unclear on the details. Sorry about that.

@Enuo this is exactly my feeling with this deal I’m pretty sure this whole gen we’ve all be bashing Bethesda because there games have been bug ridden half baked messes and all the sudden everyone is saying it’s the deal of the century, apart from the recent doom games what is there to look forward to because you know what ever they release going forward would of just been a massive let down.

@AJDarkstar I think the difference might be that neither Orí nor Cuphead are first party games. The Ori IP might be owned by MS, but Cuphead definitely isn’t. And as for Minecraft, it was already released on everything when MS acquired it. If MS wanted to publish everything everywhere, wouldn’t we see Fable and the initiative game on PS5?

@Kidfried I think that it would hurt the Elder Scrolls brand as much as putting Spiderman on PS exclusively hurt its brand. Spiderman used to be released on all platforms, and now it’s highly unlikely we’ll see Spiderman on Xbox anytime soon. Sony made it exclusive to drive people to their ecosystem with little regard for how it made Xbox players feel. I would imagine Xbox will do the same thing with the Bethesda IPs. I think that the best case scenario would be timed exclusivity for a year or two, but don’t expect MS to say that it’s timed or for how long when they release games on Xbox. There would be no benefit for them to do so. They rather keep players in the dark on that to help drive players to Game Pass.

@Eadgar Who knows how profitable it is? As developers, they get paid to make the game via their salary so by the time it releases, its already paid for and as long as the money is there to keep paying them to keep making games, reach as many people as possible and maybe get some acclaim for their efforts, it doesn't matter if it makes money to them. At least for an owned studio.

The Publisher wants to earn money because they have invested in the studio, paid their salaries for 3yrs+, paid for advertising, promotion etc, paid for manufacturing, distribution etc. If sold physically, they lose money to the platform holder, wholesaler, retailer, distributor etc as they all want a 'bit' of profit but sell a game digitally and you only lose 30% to Sony or MS.

However, if you are MS, then you are essentially the developers, the publishers and platform holder. The game us already paid for by paying your studio its wages and keeping it open, they are not losing 30% for sales on their games on their platform, so profit margins are SO much higher and on top of that, the platform holder is getting 30% for EVERY digital game, DLC, MTX sold on that platform, profit from EVERY Physical game sold, on their platform. Money from Subscriptions and the more people you get onto your platform buying ANYTHING, Subscribing - the more money they can get back to keep paying the studio's their salaries...

Take away the 'stress' to make profit from your game for a publisher, they can be free to create the game they want with the support of a massive bank of resources - not just money but knowledge or specialists (like mo-cap studios for example that would normally need to be hired). The money is coming in to pay for their salaries, keep their studio's open etc so don't have to worry...

Anyway, we will see what happens....

When Microsoft say they want their games on everything, they mean if you want to play on PC, buy from the MS store, want to play on Console, they have Xbox, want to play on the go, they have xCloud - all of which also have Game Pass. They are providing you with a 'solution' to play on a 'format' you prefer - but only if it supports Microsoft. It doesn't mean that they will release on Playstation as they have the Xbox if you want to play on a console...

@zebric21 you don't need 1tb SSD for gaming. I have a 512GB SSD which holds my OS and programs with some overspill room for games, and a 256GB SSD as my default Steam library with a copy of AAA titles and a load of indie games installed. I have a 2TB HDD which is just media, i.e photos, screenshots, screen recordings, music. I used to install programs on there before I got the 512GB SSD, but nowadays I unhook that drive half of the time because it's the loudest component in my rig. It may as well be a USB HDD.

The headline prices on Steam are fairly standard, but there are fairly major sales about every other month, and you can also buy Steam keys through loads of other websites. I've bought lots through HumbleBundle and chrono.gg.

Here's some stats for my library, you can click through for more, but this is a reasonable overview:

My Steam Profile (from SteamDB)

*Worth: £3440 (£942 with sales)
*Games owned: 362
*Games played: 165 (45%)
*Hours on record: 6,083.3h

Now I've not spent anywhere near the low end figure of £942, because I've taken advantage of lower sales outside of Steam, but the fact that that's barely over a quarter of the price of if I bought everything on my library today should tell you something about the sales.

As for gaming monitors vs TV, it depends on your priorities. If you're sat at a desk you don't want anything bigger than 32", and 27" is barely a sacrifice. If you want the highest refresh rates the Dell S3220DGF will give you a 32" 1440p@165Hz. If you want 4k then why not the Acer Nitro XV273K for 4K@144Hz? They both boast response times of 4ms for really crisp motion. If you want better the cheapo MSI Optix G27C4 is half the price for 27" of 1080p@165Hz with only a 1ms response. All of the above support Freesync, and either natively support GSync or do so via Freesync compatibility. There are plenty of other ways you can choose to prioritise, and you can always plug in a TV (but I'd worry about OLED burn-in and motion response times, and Freesync support isn't common which means having to lock framerates to a multiple of whatever is native)

Not a huge loss for me since I only played a few of their games, although ES6 would have been great. MS doesn't get my money so I'm done with ESO as well. ¯(ツ)/¯

@ShogunRok There is it's called kill console gaming as WE know it and remake it stream gaming. What doesn't Microsoft make money off? Console. So just make it so you stop making them and Bob's your uncle. All the while young gamers everywhere applaud the death of console gaming via a little ditty named gamepass. I'm guessing Microsoft is gonna take the hit another generation but if streaming takes of next gen.....it becomes a cash cow and the way games are made changes forever.

@TrolleyProblems I'm likely to wait until the games are going cheap on Steam/whatever instead of preordering them as I had planned for some of them. At least TES6, Doom and Wolfenstein

they have just paid for a lot of studios whos games have not made much money this generation & that was being on every system even Doom did not make back enough to pillar the others!

so it could be the biggest waste of money! I think Bethesda was going to start closing some studios. MS has bought a lot of companies that are not doing so great before they buy them.

@Enuo not only that the sales have been dire on all platforms so can you imagine how long it would take to break even on that 7.5 billion with just Xbox & PC madness.

let us not forget Fallout Elder Scrolls tech is outdated! so a new engine will cost millions more to develop if that crusty engine is used again I'm done.

I'm a huge fan of fallout and elder scrolls but but after the gigantic disappointment of fallout 76 I don't mind if they go exclusive to Xbox. I will read many many reviews of a tes6 before I even consider buying a Xbox and a Bethesda game.

Dont know what the fuss is about, i only buy Playstation for their exclusive games. surly most gamers game on more than one platform? why miss out on great games by playing on one platform.

I'm not interested in those titles. Those games played like last gen garbage they belong on the Xbox

@Valhalla91 Microsoft does not care where you play the games, as long it’s in the Xbox Ecosystem which includes Xbox, PCs and mobile devices running Gamepass.

@David187 Microsoft has plenty of money and they also have other businesses generating money, they will be fine.

@AJDarkstar Microsoft just bought a bunch of studios lately. I don’t think they will be closing down studios like they did before. This is a new Xbox leadership.

@kingv84 so you are saying MS has money so can lose billions & shareholders are cheering it on? MS will always be fine I'm talking about the Xbox Division.

@kingv84 I know that, my comment was towards people who were saying they won't buy an xbox to play these games, so I just pointed out that you don't actually need an xbox

@David187 Yep. Thats exactly what I am saying. Microsoft and Xbox will be just fine.

All of their statements, from Phil, Howard, and Hines all stressed being able to play anywhere and various statements like that. At the very least, BGS titles are coming to ps5. The other stuff, I doubt

Phil spencer is Pro consumer so he would never do this!!

Even if the games do go multiplatform, there is no way Phil would give a clear answer. The ambiguity will drive more people on the fence to buy an xbox over a playstation.

@TheArt yea cause sunset overdrive wasn't one of the best Xbox exclusives of the last generation and street fighter hasn't been on everything for 30+ years.

You reap what you sow.

@TheArt problem is they don't have Microsoft money to play with this was nothing but a drop in the bucket for Microsoft.

@Valhalla91 and you realize that's the whole point Microsoft has made hardware irrelevant to them and their biggest profits come from those they don't have to subsidize hardware to get them in. Go play it on your phone Microsoft absolutely prefers that to giving you a more expensive piece of hardware for sleds than cost price.

@NorrinRadd it's absolutely petty you people act like these companies are your own family business or something and that some how you team enjoying and benefiting from a good solid game is irrelevant if it means at the same time your competitor benefits even in the slightest.

Kind of pathetic.

@Arnna yea so why can't I play street fighter V on Xbox again? 30+ years of on everything and yet I can't for SOME REASON... Play it on Xbox.

@carlos82 a 10+ year old ps3 game and a ps4 dlc... Yes great stuff for sure!

@MattBoothDev yet it's on that Sony pays money to make sure that Xbox players can't use Spiderman in avengers or pays to keep final fantasy xvi away from them too. Not to mention how they bought out street fighter V a series that's been multi on everything for like 30+ years. Yea what this is is Sony reaping what they sow.

Dont try and act like they better Microsofts has just finally decided to stoop to their level.

@Cybrshrk a from the ground up remake of a PS3 game for next gen and Miles Morales isn't dlc and they are 2 games I'm going to enjoy playing, also Astro Bot thats built in. These made buying PS5 over Series X at launch a very easy decision as Xbox had nothing other than third parties that I can play anyway

@Kidfried hurt the brand? A game being exclusive has little to do with "hurting the brand" the thing it does is "cause jealousy and spite" maybe but the k lu thing that "hurts the brand" is for the game not to be of a solid quality. The fact is that if the game is really good its exclusivity will make its brand even more valuable and desirable.

The fact that some won't just be able to buy it won't hurt anything but Sony users ego or wallets.

@jly1987 play anywhere means they have options for you to "play anywhere" as in they got you on mobile the got you in front of your TV in the living room and they got you at your desk and pc.
. They have ways for your to play their games on all places ie "play anywhere" they don't necessarily mean "play ON anything".

Look at how they've been using "play anywhere" up til now.... Xbox or PC now the branding adds mobile streaming with Xcloud.

@carlos82 Sonys go to move is to sell you the same content with a fresh paint job (and maybe a pallet swap for miles) for the umpteenth time.

The games are good sure but they were good the first time too and Sony constantly double dipping is getting very old when Microsoft is doing things like smart delivery and upgrading game like gears 5 is getting and absolutely for free.

I hate the idea that I'll probably ha e to ened up boy the last of us 2 again in a few months when they upres the game and make the frame rate more stable. They'll probably try to sell me "the last of us remastered" remastered soon enough as well. I was going to hold on to my games to play on ps5 but when I realized they'd just make me buy them again if I wanted any kind of new experience I put up GHOST, TLOU2, Spiderman, and whole bunch more on ebay.

Best to sell them now and get as much as I can back cause Sonys for sure going to force me to buy them again... Very soon in fact for Spiderman.

It all a just a little tiresome in 2020 when Microsoft is taking care of their customers so much better.

@Kidfried I'm a Sony user as much as anyone (in fact I ONLY own Sony consoles) but I ain't some brainwashed fanboy either and I can point out the obvious and accept that Sony may not be so consumer friendly as others. They milk us like cattle and so many of you are happy to just stand there and take it. Not me. I'm at the very least going to voice my opinion online in hope that enough others wake up and realize it as well and MAYBE...make some kind of difference to get Sony to do better.

@Kidfried and you say you don't like "these types of acquisition" but I bet you played Spiderman even though that game was born out of the work they did for Microsoft on sunset overdrive just a couple years ago (and before Sony just came and bought them out)

No more sunset overdrive for Xbox players but I'm sure you're totally not upset about that no way you skip miles morales to tske a stand.

Not to mention Spiderman who's been on every platform decades is not paid for by Sony to keep out of the hands of anyone who doesn't pay I to play in their world. I was super pumped to play avengers and was even going to play on ps4 pro (had my reservation and beta access ready to go) but with that announcement I never installed the beta and canceled my order. I'm not ever playing the game now and it's because Sony was making "exclusions" when they really shouldn't have been.

Same thing with street fighter V 30+ years of being everywhere and Sony makes it an exclusive and they Continuing with paying studios they had 0 to do with development to "exclude" xbox gamers as much as they can for as long as they can.

That's the real shady moves people shouldn't be supporting. Instead yall happy to go along til Microsoft starts to play a similar game then you throw your hands up in the air!

@Cybrshrk in terms of Spider-Man being part of the Ultimate Edition of Miles Morales then yes thats stupid. I'd hold fire on the rest and can't see them being paid upgrades, even Mile Morales is a free upgrade between PS4 and PS5. The reality is that whilst what Microsoft are doing is good, its just for games I've already played and have no real interest in playing again anyway, I doubt I'll even replay Spider-Man as I don't really have time to play them and new games. On the Xbox side when you actually look at new games they're very thin on the ground at the moment with only The Medium really having any interest for me and the majority of their "launch" games being existing titles. I'm happy with PS5 and 3 games at launch that are new or I haven't played in the remake, then Cyberpunk will see me through until Ratchet and Clank comes out

Anything they lock down to game pass game rental service only
I will not be playing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think many of the games will EVENTUALLY come to PS. Two year exclusivity is long enough to tempt die-hard fans of the series, but not so long that lots of people would still wait and buy it later down the line. MS know there's more money in software than hardware.

🤬 Phil and 🤬 Microsoft for doing millions of playstation users over just for their self fulfillment! 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎

For me personally psvr is what im most looking forward too, ms can have buggy bethesda

@ShogunRok i totally agree, it doesnt seem possible putting those games on gamepass. They need SALES

@Col_McCafferty agree

Microsoft are anti-consumer I really really really would be shocked if Microsoft didn't let those games come to PlayStation because just think of all the money they would lose. And everyone knows Microsoft just cares about making money.

I'm sure that my comment won't be seen by many at this point but I loved The Evil Within 1 & 2 as well as Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout (not 76). I have a series S on preorder for gamepass but haven't been able to secure a PS5 yet. I'm a fan of Inxile and Oblivion games as well so this will be a generation where I have both consoles. I may even get the X since the SSD expansion will cost $200.

The Elder Scrolls Online dev (Zenimax Online Studios) have already published a statement saying that it's business as usual for them, with continuing support for PS, X Box, PC and even Stadia. They've also confirmed versions for PS5 and XSX.

I think Sony should look into EverQuest on the PS platform. They said ages ago that it was coming to Orbis (codename for PS4) but nothing ever appeared. Sony have enough IPs to try and offset the damage, but damage there is.

@kingv84 if you believe that you are very naive. this game is about making money not giving it away because the competition beat you so bad you are at a loss of what to do.
Xbox Division can not carry on leaking money no one will support that long term baffling that you think that is how it works.

@kingv84 new leadership? I think Phil was in charge of a whole generation & some & look at how bad the division performed.

@David187 lol Xbox and Microsoft know what they are doing and they will be fine. Phil is also doing just fine.

@kingv84 sure you keep telling yourself it will all great lol

@Cybrshrk because it’s an exclusive. Yeah f Microsoft took the care and planning that Sony do with exclusives, they wouldn’t be dead last in sales this generation. If you wanna play Halo or Forza you can do that on XBOX or PC. If you wanna play the numerous high quality exclusives then buy a PS. Or a Switch. MS have almost nothing to offer aside from Gamepass and backwards compatibility.

@Arnna Well whether you like those or not doenst make them bad I spent more time with xbox games like Forza Horizon 3 and 4 or gears 5 playing with friends over and over than I did with the 1 or 2 games a year I spent a weekend or 2 alone playing through what was basically a movie. I enjoy both and can see the postitives in each but to act like the 10 games or so that sony made that are 1 time through single player games makes them absolutley MUST HAVES then tell me why 120 million playstation 4 sales and YET only 16 million max sales of any one of those games? Less than 15% of ps4 owners even buy these games and yet somehow that makes them somehow better? Fact is 3rd party games are what consoles are used for majority of the time and with this next gen xbox will be the best place to play those along with now dominating in the world of Western RPG and FPS "must haves"

The fact that you can "play halo or forza on PC" IS BY DESIGN!!! They dont care if you buy some box they built or play on your pc or even your phone its about making you a member of their ecosystem and in anyway you slice it thats what those games will make happen.

@carlos82 Seriously neither console has a very strong launch lineup Xbox really got screwed having to move halo but it was for the best. The PlayStation line up is pretty pathetic when the Astros playroom or some rocket league rip off is looked at as "must haves".

Demon souls is a nice option but a 11 year old remaster isnt anything to be like "OMG I've never seen anything like this before!!!" and Miles or literally a confirmed ps4 dlc being slightly improved and asking for even more money for something you've already had. Its weak whether you can admit it or not.

At least the medium is a full fledge new IP that is actually doing something interesting with the new hardware.

Ratchet would have been that for Sony but it isn't coming with launch.

So again I say both systems launch titles are weak and why I think the Xbox is the stronger option as they at least are making sure the 1000's of games from before all run and look there best and play like never before.

All while not requiring you to pay yet ANOTHER time for the same game you've payed for multiple times before.

I'll get them all because that's the type of player I am I can see the benefits to all platforms ( I even got my RTX 3090 delivered today) but speaking from a completely unbiased owner who shows no allegiance to anyone. Xbox is at least staying focused on the customer and giving him as much as they can from day 1 while waiting for true next gen games to arrive.

@David187 Whats baffling is that you sony fanboys are still holding on to hope that Xbox doesn't take all their (good) toys and leave yall hanging.

Sure "case by case" basis will mean you get the ES card game or Fallout tactics and Minecraft but dont expect Starfield or ES: VI or Next Fallout Nor Doom the Third to be anywhere near your console. I play them all on PC (the proper place for all of them) so I couldn't care less I dont own any of them on my xbox or playstation but watching the sony die hards have a melt down has been pretty enjoyable.

@Carl-G are you kidding me? Are you really THAT delusional? Microsoft only cares about money and is anti-consumer????

Have you not been paying attention?

Do you not realize Sony's biggest game for their launch is a 11 year old ps3 game witha new coat of paint and their 2nd is a ps4 DLC they lied to you saying it REQUIRED ps5 to run while now selling you the game in its 3rd form.

You say anti-consumer when Sony's entire model is about forcing you braindead fanboys into blowing all your money over and over on the same games and leaving anything you paid for in the past until they want to sell it to you AGAIN!

Meanwhile Xbox has every game running and looking better than ever all completley free and even going back MULTIPLE generations and adding in things like HDR that never even existed when the games came out originally.

Oh and they also for $15 bucks a month let you play EVERY SINGLE GAME they make including all the newly aquired Zenimax studio games on your XBOX or PC from Day 1

Heck if you want you can even play them all on your phone at anytime.....

The whole point of spending the 7 billion dollars wasnt about "making their money back" its about "making their service extremely hard to ignore".

The move is to entice new subscribers to gamepass not "make their money back". They are playing the long game and you dont get to "Netflix of Gaming" by worrying about risk.

Say good bye after Ghostwire and Deathloop ....you'll have ESO Minecraft and maybe fallout tactics as well as that Elder Scrolls Card game, the rest will be waiting for you on gamepass!

@Kidfried Well if your against it in general and not just because its now against instead of for you then I apologize, I would prefer that we all could play whatever we want anywhere we want but Sony is adamant to not let that happen.

When I see the paying to exclude Xbox or any other (non Sony player) from having access to games, studios, or characters (especially in games they dont even make themselves like avengers or street fighter V as well as final fantasy.

It really rubs me the wrong way and even though I have a PlayStation I refuse to support moves like this and is why I never picked up my copy of Avengers.

I wish it didn't have to be this way and I think if Sony was more open and not always trying to make it "about the exclusives" we wouldn't be in the position we find ourselves in now.

But with every Sony fanboy yelling "Xbox got no games" Microsoft HAD to respond. Maybe one day everyone can just get along but Sony will really need to open up even more (so far they've basically had to have the "arms" pried open)

@Repo_Dog FYI you CAN buy anything you want on gamepass its not FORCING you to only "rent" anything.

The point is in the FREEDOM to choose and Microsoft is the only one willing to be flexible.

@Kidfried It's cool man I understand where you're coming from and am in no way calling you "some brain dead fanboy" I do absolutley still think those exists and that Sony had made them this way with a lot of double and back talk. (Like "Console generations matter and our games require new tech just to exist" meanwhile they release some of the "next gen must haves" on ps4 but only after having fans try and tell xbox fans how dumb it is to have cross gen titles).

My point may not apply to you but it does apply to "some" I didn't say it applies to all.

The only reason I'm so defensive is the last year of crap I've seen people spewing about the "superiority" of Sony and how in so many regards those "facts" have been twisted and ultimatley proven to not even be true.

I'm still going to buy a playstation 5 day 1 and I'm still excited to play these games that you mentioned (atleast most) but I also absolutley want to play the majority of the games coming from the zenimax studios. So I'm glad I am also a member of the Xbox ecosystem.

I never made this a "console war" I got dragged into one over the course of the year. I a 25 year PlayStation player am also a 19 year Xbox player. I've been around for both since day 1.

I simply stood up with a completely unbiased viewpoint and mentioned to these Sony "elitist'" types that Xbox offered the more compelling "value" and the higher performing hardware. I've heard for over a year how wrong I was and how the ps5 would end up faster and way better than Xbox without much more argument then.... "cuz"

They spoke against so many things that in the last year we've seen Sony take a completely reverse position on and suddenly now that's the actual "way it should be".

It's good that you're not one of them but a post here "to you" is more of a statement to the whole than just a back and forth private conversation between us alone.

So enjoy you games on PlayStation 5 I will too but I will also continue to enjoy these storied franchises on their new home in the Xbox ecosystem (and because Microsoft makes it so easy I wont even need to buy their console to do so) I'll be playing them on my even better PC.

@Cybrshrk freedom lol

@Cybrshrk Dude u can paint it anyway u want but it is for sure a game rental service! And they jack the price up when they get a bunch of sucker stuck in there ! And at the end of all the years of renting u got jack ***** ! And ! will not stoop to respond to any more of your childish BS !

@Cybrshrk good toys? lol we are talking about the same company this generation, right?

MS has shown nobody nothing but a terrible looking Halo game!! you can pretend the words mean something all you want I know better & have lived with MS in games since the beginning. they love to make things sound amazing the end product never is.

@Repo_Dog you can buy any game you want to keep at a discount (and smart start and what I do is wait til it's been out a while and on sale to buy with your discount)

Combined those discounts more than make up for the cost and you still end up owning the games you want.

I've been doing similar buying on pc for years but now I don't have to wait til their old and discounted can play brand new day 1 and then buy them at a discount later and if and when service goes away I stop paying for it or the game is removed I still own the titles I really care about and paid a lot less for them if I had bought day 1

@Cybrshrk child here is your mute !