PS5 User Interface Reveal Is Coming, Says PlayStation Boss

@get2sammyb Yep I agree. It feels the events and news of last night have made some go a bit crazy. Hopefully with a bit of good news it will calm some of their fears.

At Pax maybe if they still have that slot?

@get2sammyb They wont. No need to hide now. Now the release date and price is out there they can talk about other stuff without raising expectations that they are going to talk about price. I think they will be alot more open now. Would be mad not to.

In other news, i gave in and succumbed to the hype. Got my pre order in this morning. Very excited

@get2sammyb which is why its stupid to get mad it wasn't in the event, because 1. marketing strategy and 2. they explicitly said the event will only show games, price and release date.

I'm very excited to see how the PS5 UI looks like, probably in October at the earliest. hopefully it looks awesome and better than the PS4 UI

@get2sammyb we've all bought it now though

When? November 11th? lol.

@TheNewButler The UI isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you want to have it at launch, pre-order it now. If you don't mind waiting a bit, there's no harm in that either. The UI is one of the least important things for me personally.

@TheNewButler The launch has been handled horribly. Ever since Ryan took over, it just reeks of corporate greed. The lie he got caught in yesterday about "believing in generations" and the fact that they waited till the last min to tell us their doing the same thing MS is , and will be playing cross gen PS4 games for the first 3 to 4 years was enough to make my decision to wait a few years. We won't start getting true next gen games really built for the PS5 till atleast 3 years in from how his talking.

It will likely be similar to the PS4 one which in turn was very similar to the PS3.

It's bonkers how people are getting so bent out of shape about what are, at the end of the day, some fairly irrelevant things.

I predict the UI will have exactly the same reaction as those of PS4 and PS3 before it. Initially, some will love it and some will hate it. Then everyone will get used to it. And after a couple of years, people will start complaining about how it seems to be getting slow and clunky, looks dated, and "could really do with freshening up."

Much like cover art, I don't really care what it looks like, as I personally spend very little time (relatively speaking) looking at it. Besides, has anyone ever not bought a console because of the user interface? Seems pretty shallow if so.

What I want are details of how it operates. Where does it save video? Can you copy to USB while doing something else? Will it copy at full USB3 speed? Is there a new ShareFactory? What happens with installing/uninstalling when you inevitably run out of space on the snazzy SSD? How much are the expansion SSDs?

Will it have SmartLid® ? Where you close your eyes and can see the UI on the back of your eyelid. Input is recorded through retina, cornea and iris responses. The brightness has been an issue, perfectly fine when you close your eyes on a sunny day but QA testers have ended up deleting their saves in a dark room with no backlight

I'd love to see the UI and was expecting it yesterday, but in retrospect, it was a great choice to focus on games, price, and the PS Plus collection. I agree with @get2sammyb that they need to keep the market beats coming and we need to see the UI in the coming weeks.

@Paranoimia expansion SSDs are pretty much TBD as they're going for a standard (NVMe) - that means they're likely to start out high and end up low due to market pressure. Essentially it'll be the coming generation of PC SSDs.

@TheNewButler Definitely, there's a lot of stupid stuff going on. But I don't really care about the lack of UI at the moment.

I'd rather not see what the interface looks like. It'll takeaway from the fun of launch day. It won't be as exciting if I see everything on line before I even open the box.

Hype is not the word

@Ken_Kaniff lol you nutter

@nicc83 I'm with you on that. Going to try and avoid seeing it before 19th.

In my opinion they shouldve opened with a PS5 booting up and launching a game from inside the UI, to show just how fast it is. Put your money where your mouth is. Then show a bunch of games and end the presentation with price, release date and pre order information. Then drop the mic and walk away

@nicc83 Exactly, that's the problem these days...

@Octane Didn't affect the Switch's sales did it, cos that Interface is a mess...and that's an understatement...

... ANY information would be good... Will it support Atmos? Yes / no? Will sharing to YouTube, etc. be easier and in higher res than 1080? Yes / no? What will PS Now look like now that PS+++ has been announced? Will PS+ still provide 2 old shooters a month, or games that are already on PS Now?!? Do you really need that dongle with the 3D headset? Come on Sony, you're asking people to pre-order (which I have) but giving us NOTHING. Treating us like mugs, and it's not amusing.

@Ken_Kaniff lol you nutter

@Mikey856 Every. Single. Post! lol

@Sim1 It works. It's simple. It's fast. I don't see the issue.

@sabaki08 I think they just said games, no release date or price was promised, rather everyone would have crucified them if they had not, their hand was forced.

Given the prices went up around 7.30am'ish Aussie time,& subsequently sold out by 9.30/10'ísh for the bigger retail options here (for bricks & mortar stores anyway),I ended up holding off.
There'll be production runs after Xmas,& hopefully competition driving back against the regional game price gouging of $125 odd for the likes of Demon Souls & similar titles.
I'm glad for Sony its kicking off well demand-wise & goodluck if you've nabbed one. But I've honestly been waiting for a feature teardown,eg: UI,Create button,any PSN changes like trophies, the store etc.,& the b/c functionality,install sizes, can we move a PS5 game from the SSD to an external HDD alongside our ps4 stuff to free up room & move it back to the SSD when we want to play it again?
@get2sammyb Came across this on twitter...makes some reference to the b/c testing-sounds encouraging at least!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/09/16/ps5-retail-units/

My biggest concern was the UI and system operation.

Sony has lied about pre-orders, and cross-gen games.

The PS Store is terrible on PS4. Downloading files is terrible on PS4. Saving clips without being able to record your voice feels outdated on PS4. Shareplay was always messy on PS4.

I want to see Sony's improvements before I commit to buying. They have said a lot, but the recent track record is filled with lies.

I only hope they won't have a user interface that constantly shoves ads down our throats on the home menu.

The question is though Mr Ryan, are there really some cool features or are you just saying things to win folks round again?

I just want it to be fast. Like demons souls ps5 loading screen

@Flurpsel This. They have been banging on about this oh so special SSD and shown barely anything to demonstrate it’s capabilities.

@wiiware Lol it's a UI screen why wouldn't it?

@GhostInAJar Rift Apart looked impressive, but with Horizon etc coming to PS4 it makes you wonder how much these games rely on this SSD, what is supposed to be its biggest selling point.

@Flurpsel what did you think COD would be doing or battlefield or most other multi platform games? They will all release on last gen too for at least 2-3 years. The PS4 has sold over 100 million consoles, why would Sony not have games made for it still.

@Flurpsel and I get you say what’s the point, well the point is have you tried to load up days gone or gt sport on PS4 recently, they take an age

@Octane Many might disagree, the customisation options r extremely limited, u can't even sort your games in folders...but u r right "it's simple"...

Hoping they sort out the trophy menu. Lots of wasted space and being unable to sort games A-Z makes looking at trohpies a joke. Its sad when 3rd party sides like PSNprofiles do much better job than Sony as this. At the very least I want customisation on the UI, like being increase/decrease the size of game tiles.

@Sim1 I only have six or seven games on Switch, so there's not much sorting to do!

@Octane Well, to me the UI is one of the most important things and it would definitely make me buy a PS5 even though I will anyways

I find it hilarious how people have whined excessively about the times Sony have announced stuff, yet they singlehandedly broke YouTube records concerning a gaming streaming event. Face it, they know how suspense works and keeping people wanting more, which as it turns out, is far more effective than saturating your product with information way before release like xbox. As for preorders, granted, it's a bit of a mess, but also the fault of vendors deciding to put preorders forward early, but that's irrispective of the fact there will be enough available and not a lot generally jump onto he bandwagon so early, that, and the fact preordering anything is the dumbest trend in gaming. Regardless, The majorty of the sales will be sustained over the coming years, not months. You people need to have some patience.

@Arugula

But far more importantly: successful. COVID-19 hasn't made anything easy, yet in spite of that, they deliver.

@Flurpsel

That's not how hype or suspense is maintained. Their ps5 hardware showcase was an unparalleled success. They have no obligation to listen to opinionated malcontents. Also, game development is way easier and a game like Horizon and Gzow already has the textures and assets, so all they need to do is to drop the shadow maps (because ray tracing, duh) and scale the resolution accordingly. Regardless, the SSD has been demoed and actually affects gameplay and level design where it wasn't possible before. Suffice to say, you can expect a far longer wait and performance deficit on last gen hardware. It really isn't hard to understand.

@Rhaoulos

It's Sony, not Xbox. Games come first, not a clusterf*ck of self-congratulatory promotional bs and a million revisions just to kinda get close to the point: games first.

@ThroughTheIris56

Cool, except that it's a game UI and not Android. That trophies thing only applies to a statistically small portion of gamer based on the trophy stats themselves when discussing anything that isn't bronze. Obviously a dedicated thing such as PSN profiles would be better, since what is its intended purpose and focus, but that's not the case when gamers just want to game and Sony have nailed the focus.

I want a tear down more than an UI demo, I want to see how to upgrade storage......... we saw the back of the Ps5 and there was no slots on the back?
So looks like one OR both white panels DO come off?
2 Usb 3.0 or 3.1
1 Hdmi port
1 Ethernet port
1 power supply

@Suckitbanmoderat do you feel better about yourself now that you’ve got all those insults written down on the Internet? You kinda lose the high and mighty intelligent act altogether when you fail to actually put across an intelligent argument and call everyone an idiot.

@Suckitbanmoderat Even still there's no reason for Sony to be lazy about it when there is blatant proof it can be better. I don't even mind the fact PS4 is missing loads of the awesome features of PSNprofiles like month graphs and milestones. I just simply want a better UI so I don't need to use a 3rd party website to make viewing trophies a pain. The use of space is abysmal and not allowing games you've played in a while make searching for old games a drag. More people might be interesting in looking at trophies if the menu wasn't dreadful, trophy hunting is a big thing for a lot of gamers and massively extends the life of some games. Sony has actually done it better with the PS3 menu, there's no point defending something Sony can blatantly improve just because they don't necessarily need to.

Actually what I would also like to know, for many of you here have suggested opinions and raised questions beyond our knowledge. I am not much the Xbox fan, but I do like the Xbox choices for supporting Dolby vision. Atmos surround sound. AMD freesync ect. I'd love to see these on ps5, cause the PS4 was basically simply a gaming machine with no thoughts for options like this in their menu.

On a side note pre orders were insane. Clicking thru every site in milliseconds and they were already out of stock lol. Finally got lucky tho, and quite excited now but waiting patiently.... Sort of.

@Suckitbanmoderat I know it's also 2020 and the world runs on ads and microtransactions. I'm just hoping Sony never follows this trend.

@Suckitbanmoderat I mean I'm cognitively impaired, and I can see how they've been demonstrating it. Wilful ignorance is what it takes to not get the SSD advantages

@ThroughTheIris56

It's not being lazy It's just not up to your standard and is quite frankly an irrelevant thing to most. I'm not saying things can't be improved but those trophy hunters are still statistically a small portion of gamers on the whole. You can't even deny that based on the statistics of who collect trophies. Regardless of the UI, getting people to grind games for trophies won't be decided by UI. In fact, that is down to the trophy required set by the devs and the game itself.

@Rhaoulos

Doubt it. They have always had a minimal no bs UI philosoph. Games will always be the first and foremost priority.

@Suckitbanmoderat My standard really isn't that high. I'm not an expert in UI design, but you don't need to be to know that only seeing 5 games at a time on a list of hundreds without the option for sorting is going to make for an inconvenient menu. There are hundreds of thousands of people PSNprofiles alone, not to mention people using different sites or trophy hunters not using sites. Trophy hunters aren't the only people who are going to look at the menu, anyone who is remotely interested in trophies will look at it from time to time, which will be a very large amount of PS players.
I never said improving the UI alone will get people into collecting trophies, but it would potentially increase the likelihood of certain people being more interested if they can be presented in a more appealing manner. Sony obviously don't design the games, but doesn't mean they just not do what they can.
Even if a very small amount of people actually cared, the changes I propose would take very little effort to implement. Simply: Add the option to sort games alphabetically, make use of otherwise wasted space, and add options to zoom in/out or decrease/increase item size. These changes would make a massive difference and they are not hard to do at all. It's been proven that Sony can get it right. Just because you don't care abut something, it doesn't mean that others don't. There's no need to defend Sony for the sake of defending Sony.

@ThroughTheIris56

'My standard isn't that high' despite the fact you have arbitrary issues on things that aren't a deal breakers in perspective of what the console is an does first and foremost, suffice to say nitpicking. Regardless, it prioritises what you have played recently which is logical considering how that would make more sense than alphabetical order.

Furthermore, you can literally jump into your trophies from the quick panel whilst in the game to make hunting easier. Anyway, that doesn't ignore the fact you just contradicted your statement and backpedaled on what you originally said. The point still stands that trophy hunting is fairly niche, based on the trophy statistics alone, meaning that a UI tweek is unlikely to get people to trophy hunt regardless.

Lastly, this is coming from a trophy hunter myself and if you want proof I can drop my PSN. I just relaize that the "problem" is arbitrary and that not many care that much about 100 percenting games for this to be such a huge deal, nor does it ignore the success that the UI is in general with its no bs simplicity and ease of use, all things considered. This only appears as defense when I have to out your arbitrary issue into perspective. Again, at no point did I imply things were perfect, but you can't please everyone and they have done a good enough job for this not to be taken all that seriously, especially considering everything I said in the 2nd paragraph.

@Suckitbanmoderat My standards really are not unreasonable. In the grand scheme of things it's not a massive issue, but you're wasting your time by telling people that UI doesn't matter on a thread specifically about UI. And yes sometimes it is useful to have games in the order I played them in, but sometimes I want to have them alphabetically. Good UI lets the user have options to help them things more easily.

What have I backpedaled on and what statistics do you have? I never said better UI is going to turn casual gamers into hardcore trophy hunters, it just might possibly make some people more interested in their trophy collection. And if it doesn't it still benefits people who are interested in trophies, what is the cost to this benefit?

In this specific instance, no the UI isn't great due to all of the flaws I have mentioned. It's not easy to use for reasons I have mentioned, looking at an old game trophy list is an absolute pain because you can't sort games how you want and few fit on the screen. You can please more people if you look at what is wrong with something and make improvements based on that.

This is isn't even for the PS4 UI, this is about making a brand new UI for PS5. They'll use development time to make a new UI anyway, so why on Earth wouldn't they try and get it right? It makes sense for Sony to critically look at things they have done in the past and make improvements. Just because not everyone is going to notice an improvement, it doesn't mean it isn't worth making. I don't get what your arguing for. You haven't refuted a single critcism I made of the trophy UI, all you've seemed to have said is that it works and not enough people would care if it was changed, the latter of which is a baseless claim. If you don't care that's fine, but you're wasting everyone's time by coming to a thread where we're all talking about UI, and you have no interest in improvements being made to UI.

@ThroughTheIris56

Based on he verbose alone I take it you're one of those people who let pride interrupt logical thinking. I mean, now you have been called out you're evidently throwing a temper tantrum and trying to make your problemmy problem. I never disputed the importance of UI, however, this aspect is perhaps far removed from any kind of perspective and the generally irrispective of the UI focus in regards to what it the ps4 UI does well: adapt. Furthermore, it actually makes sense to order things based on when you played them, since you would logically load the game up to then hunt for trophies, and frankly any idiot with half a brain would realize that makes sense. Again, I haven't actually seen this arbitrary "issue" voiced before as a trophy hunter myself, well, aside from you, whom I am rightly clarifying as a vocal minority in this instance since I also belong to that group who does not share that contention over something that is trivial in all sense of the meaning.

Secondly, if you had a shred of comprehension skills, then you might have ascertained how the point of ordering things based on recent play session was, in fact, a doozy of a valid response concerning a UI that's geared at being adaptive/ logical. This is very much your issue with it and a singular "issue" that you call a 'flaw', however, it is otherwise irrelevant to most and far from broken to be classified as "flawed" by all sense of the meaning; rather it is different and you take issue with that, so let's not confuse two very different things, semantics aside.

Lastly, I have no doubt Sony will tweak the design cues and slightly change how you interact with the UI, however, statistically speaking, there's only a small percentage of people who care about this and you can yet again look at trophy stats to ascertain that regarding the percentage that actually collects them, which is very much contrary to the assertion you are making and the blatant implications more would care if it were changed, which again is, in fact, a unsubstantiated claim based on what we can currently observe, because at best it would be inconsequential but different in the most negligable way.

In conclusion: You're really wasting your own time with this obtuse act and your bias for how YOU think things should be which is nothing more than something indicative of a vocal minority stance. In the end it just boils down to cognitive dissonance and a classic case of annoying stubbornness to save face. So again just to reitterate, so you may retain at least something, move on if you can't handle reality, but your opinion doesn't make the subject and your opinion any less arbitrary. I mean, for someone with an opinion you seem awfully surprised someone has one about yours with contention.

@ThroughTheIris56

Fyi: your expectations aren't necessarily unreasonable per se, but the fact you implied Sony have to 'get right' would mean it wasn't functional before and that there was a consensus about what was better on something trivial implying what currently exists is terrible. Alas, that's opinion and not fact, thus why I am dismissing it as nothing more than a logical falalcy concerning the mentality you have. Anyway, I'm just gonna end this brief FYI by saying that good UI adapts to people and therefore why thr order of what was last played makes way more sense and is way more convent, as pretty much most aren't this bothered or anal to go through trophies alphabetically, not that the majority bother at all, but I'd like the think the point is starting to sink in of you got this far .

@Suckitbanmoderat That’s ballsy of you to say I'm the one throwing a temper tantrum when you’re throwing out insults not just to me, but everyone else you've argued with on this thread. You'd think after you got a warning from a moderator you'd actually think. Same again with saying that I'm the one guilty of verbose, try reading what you've reading and then tell me it isn't a ballache to read. Do you know how to use a full stop? I take it you’re one of those people who’s more concerned with sounding smart than actually making a decent argument. You're saying my suggested improvements to the UI would be pointless, if that isn't disputing UI I don't know what is. That's great if you prefer having games organised play date. But any idiot with half a brain would know that it's not ideal if you want to look at trophies for a game you played years ago. What’s worse is that I don’t remember the exact dates I played games, meaning its ***** to think that’s a good way to look for old games. I will however know the NAME of game, hence why A-Z would be an easier searching method. All I want are OPTIONS so people can choose for themselves what they want. Just because you prefer an option, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to make it so everyone has to be stuck with that option. Anyway, the A-Z menu on PS3 still takes you straight to the game you played most recently anyway meaning its the best for both worlds. Just because you personally haven’t seen others talk about it, that doesn’t mean people wouldn’t welcome improvements.

If you had a shred of comprehension skills, you would have seen when I acknowledged play date order can sometimes be useful. I feel like by trying to explain why people would like to have more than one option when sorting games, I'm beating a dead horse because you clearly aren't getting it. Do you not even realise how much space the PS4 UI wastes? The PS4 UI allows 5 games on screen at a time, whereas the PS3 allows 10 at a time. If could can’t see which is superior, you are blind.

I'll ask again, what stats? You haven't cited a single bit of data. The whole point you’re arguing for is that no ones cares yet you haven’t proven that. It’s reasonable to assume any improvement would be appreciated by most people, if that appreciation is very small. You’re making a massive deal out a simple improvement I suggested. I’ve not said anything like the PS4 UI or console in general is awful, just purely the trophy UI. Judging by how defensive you’re being about the whole thing, I’d have guessed you’re amazing friends with the person who designed it.

You’re wasting my time, if you’re not interested in UI there is no reason for you to talk about it. Just don’t pretend that no one has any interest in it at all. Who doesn’t have bias for how they think things should be? If I can actually back up my points with facts and arguments it’s not cognitive dissonance or stubbornness. You think that the trophy list should be organised by play date and that’s your bias. What logical fallacy have I made? I never said it wasn’t functional, I said it was unnecessarily hard to use compared to the PS3 UI which is completely fine. Thank you for admitting the PS4 trophy UI sucks as it doesn’t give you sorting options, so can’t be adapted to what players want.

@ThroughTheIris56

Aside from that text wall reiterating your opinion, you're the one necesitsting this unnecessary back and forth over what is, in fact, a minority opinion. Comments outside of this are actually irrelevant. Regardless, that whole bs justifying your opinion is, in fact, verbose and redundant nonetheless and the comments you see from me are in response to the text wall slew of ***** YOU have thrown about.

Anyway, I know first a fact you're incapable of letting this go rather autistically, but under what pretence were you trying to convince me that thus was remotely an intelligent decision to drag this out over your opinion? Besides, asserting your opinion is all you have in light of nothing else to say.

With all that said, it obviously stands to reason that a trophy hunter would have popped the game on to then check for trophies they have amd ones the do not. Therefore, it makes all the sense in the world for the games trophy lost to arrange itself based on your last play session. Further, you haven't exactly given me any basis to say that more people care about this and I reitterate time and time again that trophies dictate the amount of people that may care about that being somewhere between 1 percent in regards to certain trophies people hunt.

Lastly, I'm not arguing against changes or that the UI is perfect, however, this is a tiny arbitrary thing and that the current method generally makes more sense, because again, it obviously stands to reason you will be playing the game to then search for or look through trophies. Again, none of that information the fcat it's your opinion and not empirical fact; rather it's your preference, but there's hardly a consensus either side to make baseless claims. Get over it, dipshit LMFAO.

Technically we're both necessitating this back and forth because you're responding as well, that's how arguments work. You're not any less stubborn than me. Anyways I'm giving this up, because you're clearly not understanding anything I've said and I'd have more luck getting a good argument from my dog.

TLDR; The PS4 UI is bad because it wastes space, and it's lack of sorting options make it hard to find a game you played a while ago. My solution: make better use of space, give people the OPTION to sort games how they want. Just because not a particularly large amount of people would appreciate a change, it doesn't mean it's not worth making, especially when it would be so easy to make and they're making a new UI for PS5 anyway.

If your problem is verbose, that's as simple as I can make it for you.