@RogerRoger I started off this gen with not a great deal of disposable income, so after saving most of it up for the PS4 I had to either wait prices to come down drastically or play the trading game. I can remember waiting a couple of months for The Last of Us Remastered to be available in my local CEX, as I had some credit from trading my 360 in. I remember the day I finally got as it felt like getting it the day it had released.
People will always manage to find a way to get hold of games somehow. Sometimes that may mean having a bit more patience or trading some old stuff on.
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@Kidfried I think my first PS4 game was Journey and then that Transformers Platinum game cause they were on PS Plus. My brother then bought PES and we spent loads of time playing local multiplayer. I then picked up Final Fantasy X/X-2 so I guess my first ‘proper’ PS4 games would have been when my uncle gave me Uncharted 4!
@Kidfried My first game came with the console, Infamous Second Son. Then my mate at work lent me Killzone Shadowfall shortly afterwards. I probably didn't spend much on games as I traded as I went along, maybe the odd lower priced title or something like that off PSN. Child of Light was an early highlight, great little game.
@RogerRoger Don't worry, you don't come across as handing out a lecture. Hopefully some peeps out there will find our ramblings somewhat useful if they are are in a similar position.
@Arugula I mean, my 3DS and Wii U had way better libraries due to BC. I’d go as far as to say that the 3DS has the greatest library of any console due to it having DS games as well. The PS2 and fat PS3 had it as well. The PS4 didn’t have it and look how many remasters we got of PS3 games that really weren’t hugely necessary. With how digital people’s libraries have become, it makes sense that BC would be on people’s mind. It’s one thing if your console can’t read old discs, it’s another if you have to buy the same game twice on your same digital account.
This one might be unpopular but I didn’t really like horizon zero dawn the characters didn’t do much to the story IMO the story was weak and the gameplay I thought was a little dull I hope these issues are fixed in the sequel but I’m not holding my breath
@Arugula Interesting point - I'll be honest that the whole next gen update etc. is something I don't really understand as its all based on what different companies had done. If every company had decided to charge for an upgrade then we would all accept it. If every company had said you get it for free, we would have accepted it. Previous gens, there were a lot of early gen releases that were cross platform - they needed to be to be commercially viable.
This gen, different companies have different interests so that depends on how they are treating it. For say, CyberPunk 2077 they are launching it right at the time that next gen is going live. They want people to buy it and play so it makes complete sense to offer a next gen upgrade free because it means I'll buy my copy and play it on PS5 (or PC but that's another matter!).
Since previous gen games are capable to be played on next gen hardware - which is a first, it is now down to whether performance matters that much to you. For me - not really, very few games don't run well on PS4. I would actually rather get a full remake then pay for a basic graphical update.
As for B/C, this is a big deal for me and I think game companies have largely listened. If my digital PS4 library stayed on PS4 then I'd be bummed and have less allegiance to the console however it is in Sony's interest to make me feel like my library matters so no brainer. I'd love PS1, PS2 and PS3 games too but I have a feeling they'll be directed to PS Now.
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@Kidfried Games have gotten more expensive in the last 20 years. $60 was a PS360 thing. Before games were $50, and were $50 on the Wii. MTs and such are also in games now. I will say paid upgrades are okay within reason, but locking Spider-Man behind Ult Miles Morales is not cool. Not a good practice for consumers that I won't accept.
I hate MGS3 and everything it stands for, that game is basically Konami and Kojima bending the knee to the brainlet MGS2 haters that sent death threats to Kojima and caused a huge outrage over "muh snek"
@whatever-156 Yeah, that’s not true. Kojima does whatever he wants and while the critics were happy that Snake, or at least a version of him, was playable, Kojima set out from the start to tell that story. I like both MGS2 and 3 for the stories they tell and referring to ‘brainlet’ fans is less an unpopular opinion and more completely creating a separate issue. Raiden got his own game later on and also played a pivotal role in MGS4.
@Arugula I see what you’re saying, but I’d argue the big tent pole games for the generation, especially the Sony first and second party games, have had some really strong lead protagonists. Aloy, Sam Porter Bridges, Jin, Senua, Arthur Morgan, 2B... these really carried their respective games.
But yes, some others where the secondary character stole the show:
Trico >> the Boy
Fetch >> Delsin Rowe
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@Kidfried I don't know about your, but I was buying €40 games on PS1, and €50 games on GameCube. Now they're €80. They've doubled in price. And if you add DLC and everything on top of this, they've become even more expensive, or rather, there are several more options to pay the publisher that weren't available back then. As long as gaming companies can still boast about record high annual profits, I don't believe they're in dire need of money. Game prices can drop mere months after release, which you wouldn't do if they were so expensive. CEOs accept double digit million bonuses. I think there's plenty of reason to be skeptical, because in the end the main goal of a public company is to increase its annual revenue. That's all.
@Arugula Fair enough. I might be falling victim to coercive writing, but I think Aloy was interesting because of the whole being an outcast initially, disrespected, and then to find out a clone of Sobeck. It was just a fascinating backstory.. I’ll admit, her personality is rather dull but that’s some of the charm. And being a ginger makes her quite unique in the gaming world 😂. Definitely an underrepresented minority.
As for Jin, similarly he is stiff as a board personality-wise, but the whole ’fighting the inner struggle of whether to follow the traditions of his fathers, or whether to cast aside custom and honor to accomplish the greater good for his people’ gives him a lot of depth story-wise. Granted I’ve still not completed the game. Still sitting at the end of Act 3, gathering collectibles and finishing off side quests before I lay it to rest. But yes, Khan is probably my favorite character in the game though.
But I realize I’m speaking out of both sides of my mouth here because I find Geralt to be one of the more over-rated main protagonists out there. The guy has zero personality and I just couldn’t connect with him. But I think it’s maybe more an issue of not knowing his backstory well enough.
@Th3solution There have been an awful lot of protagonists this gen like a plank of wood but then some rabid fan explains about how their motivations make them a plank of wood. I just would rather play as somebody with personality. Not Sony’s idea of ‘personality’ which is cracking jokes in Nolan North’s voice, a genuine rounded personality. None of these protagonists feel like actual people, they’re cardboard cutouts with backstories drawn with a Sharpie.
I don't like self insert characters in RPGs with pre-determined designs
If you're going through the effort of designing them from top to bottom as if they are like all your other party members, give them a personality worth a damn. With player-created characters like in Elder Scrolls and Divinity that's a different story, but for protagonists like the Dragon Quest Heroes, or the SMT/Persona MCs (with an exception being made for Maya in P2), I want to relate to these characters the same way I do with other party members if you're going through the effort to give them individualized designs.
@TheFrenchiestFry What about Persona 5? I think it works because the dialogue choices let you insert yourself and really feel like a part of the group, but his design is necessary for the style and thematic elements of the game. For other games, I agree more, though.
@TheFrenchiestFry The PS3 let me watch stuff on my TV and watch movies on that are DVDs/Blu-Rays. PSP had those weird PSP movies you could buy for a tiny screen and only watch on the PSP. Aside from being portable what did the PSP have that PS3 didn't? Heck, how many streaming apps did it even have? (I legitimately have no idea any more.)
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Video games have never been good at genuine rounded personalities in their characters, especially in the more popular games we see released. On the rare occasions they do manage it, the game in question tends to be an instant candidate for game of the generation.
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