@Ravix@JohnnyShoulder I definitely agree re.: character work. The Catherine O'Hara scene in episode 1 was fantastic, with both her and Pedro Pascal delivering powerhouse performances in that very scene. I have many thoughts on episode 2 and the road they didn't take with season 2, but I'm reticent to go into too many details still, so I'll come back to that later
@Th3solution The Fallout tv show follows the general theme of the games, which from the two I played are quite similar to each other from a story perspective, and I believe New Vegas (which I have not played) is too.
Glad you ended up liking, as I think you were initially put off by a former member slating it when it first aired.
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@JohnnyShoulder Yeah Fallout really embraces the quirkiness, and the eccentric humor. It’s ridiculously grotesque at parts, but you just have to embrace it. It does have moments of character drama though, which shine through enough to keep it from being just pure hollow and meaningless gimmick. Do the games have a similar wacky humor intermixed with character drama?
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@Th3solution It definitely has all of that yeah, including the over the tope gore. There is a certain perk which makes it even gorier lol. Some of the more surreal moments that I've had in gaming, especially some of the vaults and locations you visit.
The third game probably has the better story of the two, but is the older game and I think is stranded on PS3 for us PlayStation players. The fourth game has a native ps5 version so is way more accessible to play.
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The missus and I was looking for a new show last night and was in the mood for something a little different from our norm. We randomly settled for season 2 of Euphoria and wishing around 5 minutes we were glad that we did. We watched season 1 back in 2019 and don’t have particularly vivid memories of it apart from the fact that we thought it was good. For whatever reason though, we never felt the draw back to watch season 2. 3 eps in now though… and fair play, it’s ****ing brilliant.
Has anyone watched Poker Face? Saw a trailer for season 2 (I think) and decided to look it up. Apparently it's a 'mystery of the week' type deal and formatted like Columbo. Which sounds kind of appealing, tbh.
I have no idea why I have an affinity for Columbo, I think I saw a bunch of reruns on UKTV Gold or whatever, and it was almost like that formed part of my love for detectives and noir thrillers. I remember it appealing to me; the way you see who did it, and eventually get to the point where the perp gets overwhelmed and outsmarted by someone who is putting on a quite scatterbrained and harmless persona.
So yeah, thought I'd enquire to see if anyone has tried Poker Face, and if not, point it out to those who might like that kind of show. And also to give a bit of a Columbo shout out, which seems like the kind of show that may have been a bit underrated in its time (???)
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@FuriousMachine ah, good stuff. I've added it to the upcoming telly pile.
I think I'll like it, admittedly I had to remind myself exactly what Rian had done apart from Star Wars 😅 (I suck at attributing names to their works) but seeing as it was some of the best Breaking Bad episodes, and also Looper, which I feel I must now watch again, as I believe that was a sci-fi in the spirit of other sci-fi that I like, the more classic cerebral kind of Sci-fi (and you never really see it mentioned anywhere now) and he also clearly takes inspiration from other things I like in the detective/noir space. It seems he might easily produce a perfect match for my tastes.
Unrelated, apart from we're all watching TLoU s2 at the mmoment, I made the error of rewatching the intro part of The Last of Us part 1, the bit that pretty much follows the game shot for shot(ish) because I wanted to ramp up the feels to see if it still hits hard. And boy, does it. I can't believe it's from a bloody video game. It never fails to make me a blubbering mess in any medium 😅 and that scene is so relevant to everything that happens for the next 20 odd years in the Last of Us universe, so it is worth revising from time to time. Damn 😭😂
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Did you watch the two special episodes of Euphoria. For some reason they aren't part of the episode list on Max (or Sky i guess? Since you are in the UK) and you have to search them seperately. The second one which focuses on Jules is alright but the first which is about Rue is a brilliant hour of television. It's just two characters talking in a diner for an hour but its gripping the entire time.
@PegasusActual93 pretty sure we watched the Rue one, not sure about the Jules one though. It was so long ago that I have only the vaguest recollection of it other than it being set at Christmas.
Strange how long the gap is between each season with this show. Must be because of how busy many of the cast are with other projects I guess. Really looking forward to season 3 now that the show is back fresh in my mind.
Season 2 of Shōgun is now officially confirmed (they have previously stated that they would only move forward if they could crack the story). Hiroyuki Sanada and Cosmo Jarvis will return as Toronaga and Blackthorn respectively.
The logline reads:
"Season 2 of Shōgun is set ten years after the events of the first season,” per the official description, “and continues the historically-inspired saga of these two men from different worlds whose fates are inextricably entwined.”
@PegasusActual93 Yeah, the article mentioned that they were originally "developing two additional seasons" after s1 wrapped, but looks like it's only s2 that's been officially ordered for now. I suppose they've got an outline for s3 and want to see how s2 fleshes out before pulling the trigger on the third.
I thought at one point we had a TLoU2 spoiler a thread where we could speak (write) freely, but after searching it appears it has been nuked, perhaps when it’s creator deleted their account. Regardless, as far as discussion of season 2 of the show I’ll just be liberal with the spoiler tags…
For those who are up to date with episode 4 —
*(Following is spoiler for the TV show up to episode 4, but also some plot points from the game which aren’t yet in the show)
Overall how are you feeling about the TV show? Unfortunately, my memory of the games details is a little fuzzy since it’s been 3-4 years since my one and only playthrough. Nevertheless, I’m definitely picking up on a lot of plot variance and yet a lot of note-for-note recreation of the game. Especially the set pieces are strikingly good representations of the game’s. Jackson, the lodge where Joel is killed, Seattle, the theater, they all look exactly as I remember them in the game.
The plot is certainly on the same path as the game, but without the need to keep player engagement with having to make sections to tutorialize gameplay mechanics and to keep the action going, the TV show has been able to cut out content and streamline story bits.
I thought the handling of the first two episodes was right on target, despite the fact they tipped their hand very quickly on who Abby is, the fact she was hunting down Joel, and the reason for her revenge quest. In the game that information is held back and the whole motive behind his murder is more of a mystery for a while. I think for thr TV show this works though, to just go ahead and reveal exactly who Abby is. Unfortunately they have done nothing to develop Abby’s character yet, and so the whole thing has her as a random villain, which will now be harder to turn around, I feel. Because in the game, you have ample opportunity to grow in your understanding of Abby as a person, and we’ve yet to see it in the show. I wonder when they will start to mix in her back story.
As far as the recent episode, the whole Dina/Ellie romance was a little awkwardly handled, imo. Or rather, the reveal that Dina is pregnant was an interesting choice. My memory of the game was that Dina and Ellie had their first (ahem..) love connection earlier in the timeline and then the pregnancy reveal was later, iirc. I don’t mind the shift in plot but the “I’m pregnant!” followed by the love scene made it seem rushed and as if the two facts — that Dina was in love with Ellie, and that she was pregnant — were in some way related, but I didn’t get that impression in the game. Rather her love for Ellie was just a sweet romantic connection and then the pregnancy was an added issue she had to deal with.
Overall I have enjoyed the show but I do feel like after Joel’s death the average viewer is struggling to keep connected. Episode 3 had some great performance from Bella Ramsey to show how much Joel’s death grieved her. But I’m hoping for more of the flashbacks to occur to keep that connection going of just how painful it was and to get into Ellie head better with why she is obsessed with the revenge. Same for Abby.
Just wondering what others are thinking and getting a temperature check on opinions now that we’re over halfway through season 2.
Just got to the ER season 1 episode, "Love's Labor Lost". Just... blimey. This has to be one of the best episodes of a show ever. This show has been growing on me with every episode, but now I'm starting to see why this show has had such incredible success and staying power.
@Th3solution I'm caught up on The Last of Us s2 now and I pretty much agree with everything you say. I'm just going to put a huge spoiler tag around my thoughts, like you did, just in case.
I am also continually impressed with the set-pieces reflecting the game; the subway sequence, the radio station, the theater, all of it! And I do feel they missed an opportunity by following the game's storyline as closely as they did.
In my mind, a good approach would have been to come up with a new plot-line in Jackson for this season and split that with following Abby and her people in flashbacks, building a rapport and sympathy with her, but not revealing that these are flashbacks until late in the season. In the final episode (or episodes), you could have the sequence where Joel rescues a woman in the snow, and as it is revealed to be Abby, a final flashback revealing the connection to Joel's actions in the hospital and ending the season with Joel's death.
When I heard they would spread the second game over two seasons I was almost positive they would end s2 on his death and fill the season with something similar to what I outlined above, in an effort to humanise Abby before the act. Would have been way more impactful, in my opinion. Now, as you stated, Abby is pretty much just a villain and I think it will be nearly impossible to bring the viewers around to thinking differently. An added bonus with this approach would of course be more Pedro Pascal.
Either way, I still think they've done a pretty great job with the show and I'm fully invested. Merced is quietly turning into the show's MVP for me (can't wait to see her as Hawkgirl in the new DC movies) now that there's less Pascal. I do hope they'll do a version of the museum visit for Ellie's birthday flashback. That had me weeping at times during the game.
Finished the last season of Bosch: Legacy the other day, and I'm so sad it's cancelled. I know that Titus Welliver loves playing Bosch and that he'll appear in the new series about Renée Ballard this summer, so hopefully it is more than just a one episode cameo. In the novels, Ballard and Bosch work quite closely together on a number of cases, so there's every opportunity to have him as a series regular. Here's hoping! Bosch or no Bosch, I'm there for Maggie Q all day, every day, so the show can't come soon enough!
More The Last of Us Season 2, game and TV spoilers incoming, for others who might be passing by the thread:
(So spoilage of the TV up to episode 4 and also of major plot points in the game that are not yet on the show)
I also felt the format for the show could have ended up that way, with reshuffling content so Joel’s death was the cliffhanger they end season 2 on. Or maybe in the penultimate episode and then the last episode would be Ellie’s departure from Jackson. As it stands now, I guess it will follow the game’s chronology closer. So I suppose we’ll get the majority of Abby during season 3.
Likewise, I sure hope we get the museum flashback sequence. We have to, right? There’s only 3 episodes left and so perhaps they’ll make it to the point where we see Ellie find out the truth about what happened in Salt Lake City before the end of the season. All those really poignant moments between Joel and Ellie told via flashbacks — the museum, revisiting the SLC hospital, the subsequent fallout of their relationship, the night before the dance and the mending of their relationship, the famous “I was supposed to die in that hospital!”and “I would do it all over again” interchange— to me they have to spend time with those at some point. They may hold that back for season 3 and start Abby’s story now, I don’t know. But I kind of suspect we’ll get some flashbacks and then the season cliffhanger will be when Ellie finally finds Abby. Then season 3 will all be about Abby’s back story and current day story, escape from the Scars, saving Lev, and then the Farm and Santa Barbara stuff at the end. Who knows?
How did you feel about the “I’m going to be a dad!” quote? At the time, it gave me a chuckle, but the internet is apparently quite upset about it. (But the internet gets upset about everything) Beyond the variance from the game (in my memory, in the game Ellie is quite bothered when she finds out Dina is pregnant, not excited, and her first concern is that this has just compromised the mission), I did think at the time that it was a choice of words that could be controversial in some circles.
Also, what do you think about the fact that so far there’s not any indication of Jesse or Tommy being in pursuit? In the game they are mostly tracking down Tommy, in addition to trying to find Abby and of course Jesse shows up. I still feel like Jesse is going to pop in, but I guess they are skipping the whole fact that Tommy is out there killing WLF while Ellie and Dina are continually getting there after he’s already been through.
I’m curious to see how they handle the murder of Mel (I think that’s her name) and the pregnancy reveal there. I recall that being a controversial plot choice from gamers. Many more things to come also, and it all makes me excited and motivated to actually play the game again. I wonder if this show will spike sales of the game the way the first season did.
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