@LN78 There are so many incoherent writing decisions that it sort of just becomes camp. And the weird slowmo during fight sequences is laughable. But then you get Bond surfing away from a collapsing iceberg and it delves into ‘this is fun if terrible’ territory. I would probably never choose to watch Die Another Day but it was on the telly and given I’ve thought it was irredeemable for years, I was more surprised that there is enjoyment to be had. It’s similar to my thoughts on the Phantom Menace after having watched the disaster that The Rise of Skywalker was. Yes, these films are slated for a reason but I’ll take an all-time stinker over boring mediocrity.
@LN78 I hate when you get stuff like Face/Off being described as ‘so bad it’s good’, it’s just a good solid action movie with great performances and it’s entirely self aware silly. When I say something’s terrible but I enjoyed it, I’m talking proper disasters like King Arthur: Legend of the Sword (awful) or one of the mostly terribly aged bro comedies of the 00s like Dude Where’s My Car or EuroTrip. I think sometimes people can forget that movies sometimes aim to be silly or hokey in places and that can work, Shaolin Soccer springs to mind as an insane movie that I love but also was well-received despite being the sort of movie that would normally get slated on impulse.
Clones is the worst imo. Terrible romance, not much actually happens and the ending is an anticlimax. The big Jedi fight is great though, plus has one of the best Lego levels 😂
@FuriousMachine I'll probably skip it. I really, really liked Man of Steel. Even if everything else Snyder pumped out was fairly awful, MoS just hit exactly the right tone imo. If I'm being honest even BvS was pretty good if not for the Martha nonsense and Zuckerberg as Lex.
Gunn though, is a bit too much like Waititi in that there's a huge reliance on humor and something about the vibe is too unserious for me. Works for some things, no doubt, but DC has always been the more adult comics in my mind. I don't look forward to a Marvel-ified Detective Comics universe.
All that said, it doesn't look bad and I think it's cool that audiences have a fresh new chance at these characters minus Zack Snyder and all that comes with him.
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@FuriousMachine I thought I was over superhero movies, but this just looks fantastic. The John William's theme done with the guitar just gave me goosebumps though!
"Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won’t see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree, you’ll miss the entire forest. Don't be preoccupied with a single spot. See everything in its entirety...effortlessly. That is what it means...to truly "see." "
@MightyDemon82 Yeah, gave me chills, too. Such a great score and I liked that they homaged it without just using it outright.
@zupertramp@LN78 I hated what Snyder did with the DCEU with a passion. I don't know if he tried to be clever and failed spectacularly or if he just fundamentally misunderstood the characters, but the result was an abomination in my eyes. This one gives med the good vibes the Superman I grew up with is supposed to give, in my opinion.
@BlAcK_Sw0rDsMaN Yeah, it's a wonderful concept; I only wish the subject was someone I was even remotely interested in. As it stands, I'm sort of undecided.
@FuriousMachine it looks great. I love that we're going to see Hawk Girl & Guy Gardner. Especially Guy's iconic haircut. Horrible, lol. He received a better look later though.
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@TimelessJubilee Yeah, that haircut is something else. My only familiarity with Gardner is from the excellent Giffen/DeMatteis Justice League run from the late 80s/early 90s, so I don't really know how the character has evolved since then (if he even has), but I'm very curious to see what Fillion and Gunn will do with him.
@FuriousMachine yeah it definitely more echoes the Christopher Reeve/Richard Donner Superman so I can see people being excited for that. I grew up on those films as well but maybe my inner child is dead because it all seems too corny and campy now. And then this trailer with all that color... and a dog with a cape - it's just not for me. Not even mad or complaining either because certainly not every movie has to be tailor made to my preferences.
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I like the look of Superman. I go back and forth with Gunn but this is far more like the Superman I enjoy, the criminally underrated Superman and Lois is the closest they came in years.
@zupertramp Yeah, that's cool; I can relate to that. I can get disappointed if a movie doesn't live up to my expectations or is targeted to a different audience, but I rarely get angry about it. The only exception is Snyder's "Batman vs Superman", actually. I came out of "Man of Steel" feeling like something was wrong and it took me a few moments to realise that my problem was that it didn't feel like Superman, but an alternative, joyless and gray copy of a character that should, in my mind, be colourful and fun. Though that was something that only warranted a shrug. Then came "BvS" and ho boy did that movie offend me from beginning to end with all the moronic choices Snyder made. So I went out of that one feeling, if not angry, at least seriously annoyed
As for the Donner films, I wasn't that big a fan of them growing up; aside from the first one, the others barely registered with me. And I wasn't heavily into the Superman comics either, until John Byrne's "Man of Steel" run in the 80's, so that is the version that's impressed itself on me as "my" Superman, if you will.
@CJD87 One thing I give Snyder (and the DCEU movies in general) credit for is the casting; they were almost spot-on with every part and especially with Cavill, Affleck, Gadot and Momoa, all of which I thought were very good casting decisions (Eisenberg not so much, though).
@FuriousMachine Such a shame really that the writing and roadmap for the DCEU was lacking, as generally the casting was great. Michael Shannon as Zod was a good draw also
@CJD87 Yeah, can't believe I left out Shannon, he was perfect for the role.
@nessisonett I don't think she was that bad in Wonder Woman (everyone was bad in the Snyder films) and she does have a certain charm that carries her through other projects. Sure, I won't pretend she's the next Meryl Streep, but I can think of far worse actors.
@FuriousMachine I’m not sure I can name a worse actor who’s consistently cast in big projects. Possibly Dwayne Johnson but even he plays one part relatively OK.
Yesterday we saw Vaiana/Moana 2 and it was good. The songs were waaaaay better in the first one and there are underused characters in the sequel but overall a rare win for Disney
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