Topic: The Movie Thread

@Arugula Lol, well shows what I know! 😆
I guess I’ve always only seen Bale do American characters, so I figured he was from NA. I guess I need to compliment his American accent then. Oops. 😛

@Arugula Yeah, I got curious and looked up his Bio to make sure you weren’t pulling my leg 😜, and he moved around a lot as a kid and mom was a circus performer and dad was from South Africa. So growing up in such a diverse setting would certainly help a young person develop a wide array of acting and speaking skills. Not sure why he’s such an enormous jerk (allegedly) but I think 90% of actors are, so it’s not that alarming. Kinda like politicians — there’s not a decent one among them, no matter which party.

Anyone know anything about this grass roots movement to try to get the Snyder cut of Justice League released? I just happened to see a headline and read a little about it. Seems all the actors (Affleck, Mamoa, Gadot) are behind the movement. I’m curious how the Snyder cut would be different. As a fan, I’d like to see that. I guess it’s a more dark and serious film before Wheedon tried to add more levity last minute? I usually don’t follow the production back stories but it sounds interesting. Do you think we’ll ever see the Snyder cut?

@LN78
It's not from WB.

I've been circling the organisers and interested parties on twitter for quite a while. The guy behind 'The Black Suit Version' got me on to it. Did a fair amount of retweeting over the weekend.

@Th3solution The differences are pretty major. Whedon didn't just add levity. You can see from trailers that feature altered and missing scenes from the theatrical release, as well as deleted scenes, storyboards and plenty of stuff Snyder himself has put out that the original version was a very different film.

Judging by the theatrical release alone, easily every scene with Cavil other than the JL fight was entirely reshot. Affleck is in terrible shape and has an obvious hair piece in plenty of scenes too. As Gal Gadot was pregnant by the time of the reshoots, a lot of her additional stuff is done as torso shots.
Whedon didn't have a huge amount of time (WB exec's refused to push the release date to preserve their bonuses) - but he did a lot of new shots and re-editing to try and center Steppenwolf as the sole villain.

Momoa claims to have seen the cut and says it's great and would like to have it released as it's such a different film.

The main question I have is whether the Snyder Cut would be the full 'part 1' version (where Superman falls to the anti life equation and fulfills Batman's nightmare) - or whether the production was already set up for just the one film by then.

@LN78 See, I really like Man of Steel, BvS certainly has problems, the theatrical version especially - but again, I really quite like it.

I like what Snyder was going for. Without the exec's getting all flustered, we might have gotten an actual Man of Steel sequel before they fell back on the always bankable Batman and rushed Snyder's vision.

I don't actually think WB will work to complete the cut. Not without significant change in the power structure. Snyder fell out with someone there, and to compete and release the cut is tantamount to confirming that they're just a bunch of cash hungry suits who were wrong to fire Snyder and continue with aplomb to chase the Avengers money.

@KALofKRYPTON @LN78 I guess if the Snyder cut is that different, with actual plot variance, then it would be strange to release it if it would alter the DCEU narrative direction and canon. But if the series isn’t going to be carried on anyways, then it might be worth a shot. Sounds like it is not likely to happen though.

@Th3solution I think it's highly unlikely to be anything but a fan undertaking, possibly with help from Snyder.

The original JL idea (well, post BvS) was a two parter. Steppenwolf was meant to try and revive Superman with the anti life equation and help turn him to Darkseid's cause. Batman's BvS nightmare was meant to be realised at the end of part 1 with part two being Superman's redemption and turn against Darkseid.

This condensed down to 1 film, which I think is where the reportedly 'unwatchable' screener came from. Snyder streamlined a lot of it, but he did shoot Darkseid scenes for JL.

@LN78 I saw that. He's lifted a lot of that from other YouTubers.
Still not sure if the Jimmy Olsen thing was a joke or whether he's not actually sure who Marc McClure is.

@RogerRoger I'd like to see it. Even in a 'workprint' version.

I think Junkie XL would've maintained the Zimmer themes and what they collaborated on for BvS. Would've been a lot better than what Elfman slapped together.

@RogerRoger Don't get me wrong. In general I really like Elfman's work, but the JL score was nothing more than workman
-like. The recycling of the Burton Batman and Williams Superman themes felt lazy and cynical for characters who had new scores and motifs in place already.

As far as I'm aware, XL completed his JL score. WB just decided not to use it to distance the film further from Snyder's work.

I like his Batman work on BvS, and like that Zimmer refused to do it but agreed to the collaboration with XL.

@RogerRoger I think Elfman only had a matter of weeks to work on the score. I think a rescore with the previous MoS, BvS and some additional bits from WW would probably fit better too.

I have seen it(!) - it's quite a thing, bit too rich for my blood. I also have nowhere to put it!

@Th3solution
Good write up! Coming down to the 'broad strokes' thing does sum them up. That is basically what 'geek culture' is now, loathed as many are at the thought of their particular 'thing' more often than not being part of a billion dollar business model.

Given the horrendous things leaking about Rise of Skywalker I'm not sure that Vader's redemption arc will be much of valid touchstone for very long.

Do the X-Men, because I'm a bit of a sadist and at least *counts 5 of those films are genuinely terrible!

@KALofKRYPTON Thanks! And regarding Rise of Skywalker... please, no. If they ruin that core piece of personal inspiration for me then I might just lose it.
And I’ll do X-men eventually, but I know there are some really tough ones in there and I value my sanity too much at present. 😅

@Th3solution As much I love the MCU, I don't think I can watch all 22 movies back-to-back. Kudos to you.haha

I definitely wouldn't watch all X-Men movies back-to-back either as they're more misses then hits in that franchise.

@Th3solution Thankfully, ROTJ won't change. Actually no, our experiences of it won't change since George set a precedent for alterations. But the RoS leaks concern a version of parts of the film that Iger (and test audiences) didn't like - so it's possible that it hasn't made it in to the release. But I doubt it.

Now, careful here on in everyone ***MAJOR POTENTIAL RISE OF SKYWALKER SPOILER BELOW***

@KALofKRYPTON Interesting. Several internet leaks and early spoilers for Episode 7 and 8 ended up being red herrings, so we’ll see. I’m continuing to have an open mind, but will prepare myself emotionally for possible disappointment. 😄

@Th3solution As I say, word is that these were from test screenings that occurred months ago, and that the result of those screenings was Iger instructing Abrams and Kennedy to change the film.
There's more to that scene if you want to read - but I think it is what resulted in reports of Lucas being brought back in to consult to try and fix the ending and flow of the film.

@KALofKRYPTON Ah, I didn’t know it had come to that. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall there! Watching Lucas come in to clean up the mess would have been a sight to behold! 😂

@Th3solution I would say that what Lucas is rumoured to have done isn't much better. He's falling back on some of the more bonkers ideas from his early Star Wars versions.

Now, careful here on in (again) everyone ***MAJOR POTENTIAL RISE OF SKYWALKER SPOILER BELOW***