@crimsontadpoles Minerva's Den is incredible, by all means play it!
I still consider it to be one of the best DLCs I've ever played, and perhaps even the best Bioshock experience in general, as it has the improved gameplay of #2, but a way better storyline. Oh, and you can complete it in less than 5 hours, which is why I usually replay that instead of the main games when I get a Bioshock itch to scratch
Omg just realised I totally flopped my spoiler tag there 😅 I'll edit that now
@crimsontadpoles cheers for letting me know! It could be good if it dilutes the essence of the game to a single particular area too. I suspect there will be some plasmids that I don't earn before the end of my play through so might be a good way to try them out
@nessisonett I think I just dread that convoluted map screen and knowing that I will still spend hours exploring it despite not really wanting to 😅
I am still on the first Bioshock, about to enter Rapture Central Control which was about halfway through if I remember correctly?
Not sure if I will be on track to get to the second game this month, PX is choosing Mass Effect Legendary Edition as their June game so I might be starting that early.
@ralphdibny I love exploring in games in general, I am loving trying to find all the audio recordings, plasmids and weapon upgrade stations in the first Bioshock. Pretty sure I am on track with finding them all, I have got all the ones from areas that get shut off later, I should get my 99th platinum on this.
@TuckNorris85 noice!! I think I missed a few audio recordings in the first BioShock. I did have a fair crack at it but I was still getting used to that style of game. I'm pretty sure I missed one I could have got through telekinesis because I forgot telekinesis was even a thing! 😅
I think I've hit most if not all collectibles in BioShock 2. It helps when my partner is here because she can listen to the audio recordings to get the door unlock codes lol.
Are you doing a good or bad playthrough? I've done good in both games (saving Little Sisters)
Ok I've pushed through and beat the main game! Starting Minerva's Den now. Not sure if I have many thoughts to share to be honest. I probably liked it slightly more than the first game because it was slightly more linear and less confusing but not by much. That said, I can't say I really liked either game and I'll never play either again. Glad I played both all the way through though. I really want to play Infinite as well but I won't get the time before my Plus sub runs out unfortunately. Maybe I'll get to play it if either the game goes on sale or the sub goes on sale again.
I probably won’t finish this weekend, but I think I’ll try and finish it eventually. I like the game, but after 5-6 hours of playtime, it doesn’t have the same appeal to me that the other two games had. The first BioShock was simply a mesmerizing game due to the creepy setting and the radical lore. The third game was better in the gameplay department and had more compelling character arcs and a better traditional story with narrative twists.
This game is solid, and actually better than I expected (I wasn’t expecting much), but lacks the.. je ne sais quoi of the others. It’s easy to attribute that to the fact Ken Levine wasn’t involved with this one, but I’m not sure that’s the entirety of it. When I sit down for a session, it starts to click, but when I’m away from it I don’t hunger to play it, if that makes sense.
I actually do want to see how the story plays out, so we’ll see.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
I'm on level 2 of Minerva's Den now. Had a few crashes toward the end of the first level. A bit where I had to fight two fire brutes straight after fighting a Big Sister and a fire brute. It kept crashing in the same place unfortunately. I lost some but not much progress the first time but now I'm using multiple saves... but not too many as I've had this glitch while playing too. I figured the crashes were due to having two security bots and two massive fast moving enemies in a large area that's probably just as I cross a hidden loading point so instead of going fully into that larger area, I decided to lure the two fire brutes into the small corridor that I was in already and managed to get past it without the game crashing.
I know this a bit more of an old school shooter and you can have all your weapons and most of your plasmids available to you for most of the game anyway but I was just wondering what people mainly played with? @crimsontadpoles mentioning their main loadouts has made me curious what other people's were.
In the main game I mainly used electrobolt with the protective tonic, winter blast for basically every big enemy and the odd bit of fire for melting stuff. I mainly used the machine gun with all the ammo types and the shotgun with all ammo types as well as throwing out loads of turrets and trap rivets for big sister fights and Adam gathering. I only really used the other guns if I ran out of ammo on my main guns.
In Minerva's Den, my plasmid loadout is very similar to the main game, electrobolt and winter blast. I am still using turrets but not bothering with trap rivets. Gun-wise, I basically use the laser cannon exclusively.
I also hacked a lot of bots in both main game and the DLC. I did try out all the plasmids in the main game but my go-to plasmids were just the most useful to me. As cool as that bee swarm one was, I just didn't have much use for it.
I am quite liking the quick progression of the DLC. I've only just finished level 1 but I basically have all the guns and most of the tonics and plasmids that I used in the main game.
@Th3solution I sort of think I may have enjoyed it more if I'd played it when it came out. I think I said before that I played a little bit of the first one back on 360 but found it too unnerving to psyche myself up to play. Not sure how I'd feel if I'd stuck it out.
I think BioShock is kind of on the same level as Gears of War for me. I missed the zeitgeist and while I think they are both OK games, the fact I wasn't really too invested in either on release means that I don't have a huge nostalgia/preference for them. I can see why both series are popular though
I do like the world building of both series too actually. They both have really fascinating back stories and aesthetics to them. I'm just not too fond of the gameplay of either series
In terms of load-outs, I basically just used the fire plasmid, incinerating everything before switching to the rivet gun, machine gun, shotgun, or speargun (depending on which one has the most ammo). Trap weapons were only used sparingly during the Big Daddy/Big Sister fights and harvestings, and I didn't use the grenade launcher much at all since it seemed too good to waste.
I've had a bit of a break from Bioshock 2, but I'm planning on getting started with Minerva's Den today.
This is either a tip or just me being dense and not noticing until I have nearly finished the game. Inside levels there are sometimes jars labelled "fresh water". If you smash these with a melee attack then they contain an ADAM slug!
@crimsontadpoles haha yeah I get that a lot in games in general. I always tend to use lower powered weapons thinking I'll need to save the really powerful ones for a hard bit. Then I end up finishing the game without using the powerful weapon at all. 😅
Just rolled credits on Minerva's Den! Nice little fast paced add on to the main game. Worth playing if you have already gone the distance with BioShock 2.
@HallowMoonshadow oh cool, I might have to check out the evil ending on YouTube then. Sinclair was definitely a cool character I think. I didn't actually end up fighting him at all. For some reason whatever I did before I was supposed to fight him, just ended up killing him off screen. I think I opened a back door and set off a security bot or something. Bit of an anti climax to that whole section, not that I was unhappy to take a break from shooting lol. I didn't actually end up using the drill much tbh, I only used it to break that random junk down in the middle of the game and I tried it out on enemies like I did with the other weapons but I ended up just using my main guns and plasmids.
@ralphdibny In answer to your first question, I’ve mostly been spamming the electobolt followed up by headshots with the rivet gun. The headshot radius seems to be quite generous and it takes off a lot of health. I’m not very good at first person shooter (in fact I’m pretty poor at them), but I find that I can do decently with the precision-dependent rivet gun. When I’m being swarmed I switch to the machine gun and just spray wildly. I don’t have access to all the plasmids and weapons through - just have up to incinerate.
As far as your comment about the other games and the timing of missing the boat on the popularity and hype of the series, I do think there is something to that. As much as people like to place BioShock into the GOAT discussion, I do think there was a time when the game and its themes were more compelling. I think there is still interesting political undertones to the series, but gaming has become so much more mature in its storytelling in general and so the themes seem less trailblazing in today’s day and age. Definitely the gameplay part of things has evolved too.
I have told the story but my exposure to the first BioShock was through the demo. I had very little interest in it because I don’t care for FPS and didn’t used to like horror styled games. It just didn’t look like my cup o’ tea, but I played the demo and it just blew me over. I was obsessed with thinking about it and couldn’t wait until I could afford it and see what the full game was all about. It was definitely a situation where the demo sold me on the game.
After playing it I really liked it at the time, but BioShock 2’s middling reception turned me off to ever playing it (until now). But I was an early adopter for BS Infinite because it looked like an evolution on the first game and I ended up loving that game so much. Again, not sure if Infinite would hold up to “current me’s” standards, but I think it would. Maybe I’ll replay it one day.
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