Topic: PlayStation 5 --OT--

@themcnoisy
Oh yea. That's great. Good for you.
That should be in the PC thread I guess?

@themcnoisy
Yes, that's fair, haven't played Death Stranding yet but I agree the other five are excellent.
PC would definitely be my go to after Playstation as well.

As a PS4, Switch and PC owner, I’m in a pretty good position to judge the worth of each platform. My Switch is touched the least, as I mostly bought it for a few big exclusives. Animal Crossing means the amount of time I spend on it has increased tenfold however. My laptop is crazy powerful because I need it for uni which means I run a lot of games on it too. It has the best support of anything I own, with multiple stores and cheaper prices. I literally don’t care about the Epic hate, I get free games and spend no money in their store. People forget that Steam was a horrific, buggy, laggy mess with plenty controversy in its time. The PS4 is there for me to play on the TV and for the big Sony exclusives. When I move out (lockdown put that to bed), I’ll need to assess if I end up just sticking to PC or if I go for a PS5 myself. If more and more Sony exclusives go to PC then I’ll probably just not bother getting a PS5. I’ll never need to get a XSeX because I subscribe to Game Pass PC. I still give money to Microsoft but it’s a great service and really puts Sony to shame. I see no point in being loyal to any brand, I go with the company I want that offers the best service and I shop around. I just don’t have the disposable income to get everything.

@JJ2 Just one more thing.
'And also more importantly Vita 64gb proprietary memory cards cost over £100. Sony will pull the same trick with the pretty much essential additional SSDs."
You are obviously misinformed. Its xbox who s doing this , not playstation

I think you are somewhat misinformed. Obviously MS will have a way to expand its external SSD Storage capacity as well as retain the 1TB internal but that may still be the better and cheaper solution than Sony's option. Yes they may have 3rd Party solutions (and we don't yet know whether 3rd Party options other than Seagate will offer options on Xbox) but you may find that the only option to 'expand' SSD storage crucial for next generation gaming is no different from the option we saw with the PS4 for years - to replace the internal SSD with a suitable alternative, reinstall the OS etc - not 'expandable' but 'replaceable' storage. With that 'bandwidth/speed' too, it could much more expensive per TB to get more storage. To get 2TB's of SSD storage on the PS5, it may mean you have to buy a 2TB internal SSD, and swap the supplied one out costing a LOT more than just buying a 1TB plug in to get 2TB of SSD storage on Series X.

Unless you can categorically supply evidence that the way MS have gone about their SSD Storage and Expansion cards are in anyway worse for customers as far as costs and expandable solution than what Sony are going to do with PS5, I really don't think you can make that comment or criticise. Maybe when we do see what Sony will do, the costs and versatility of each, then we can actually draw up a conclusion but until then, the only thing we know is that Sony have said that they will allow 3rd party replacement SSD's to increase the Storage BUT only those that match up to their Specifications - which right now are NOT available anywhere either. For all you know, You could only get a maximum of 2TB's of SSD storage on PS5 and cannot expand it beyond that capacity externally. On Series X, there is no limit. It could be limited to 2TB's at any one time but you can swap Expansion packs to access the content on different expansion packs but saves having to move (from an external HDD connected via USB) or uninstall/reinstall games. In any case, we don't yet know which option is best for consumers from a cost perspective so you cannot make that statement! Chances are, MS's may well be the cheaper due to the speed and type of connection to the system but again we don't know for definite so you cannot say that Sony are not doing the same or that their method is more consumer friendly...

@themcnoisy You have to do what's right for you and maybe the PS5 won't be the right option for you - at least not at launch. I am sure you will keep an open mind and reassess the situation at different times - maybe when a few big exclusive games have launched, the prices dropped and some questions - like durability, online infrastructure etc are more widely known, it may well be the right option for you then.

I plan on buying a PS5 at launch or as close to launch as i can get. I figure it will be $499 or $599. I'm passing on the next Xbox because i don't trust Microsoft. I bought three Xbox 360's and every one of them died in about 4 months due to the red ring of death. After the 3 dead Xbox's i bought a PS3 and it still works to this day.

I will wait until i saw PS5 Slim with White color and at least 6 Cartoonish PS5 games to play. First release Sony machines are usually have some problems that will be fixed on Slim models or Upgraded version.

@CurryPowderKeg79 yeah, xbox is unreliable.

@nessisonett great post.

' I go with the company I want that offers the best service and I shop around. I just don’t have the disposable income to get everything.'

Or the time.

@BAMozzy I will try to keep an open mind. Next gen will be interesting that's for sure!

@BAMozzy My understanding is the PCI express 4.0 Port and bay containing it exist solely for the purpose of expanding the PS5 is internal storage. It is likely that the NVMe drive in the PS5 will take the form of a chip on the motherboard rather than a card in the upgrade bay. If that’s the case adding New storage will expand upon the PS5 to existing storage rather than replacing it.

It’s impossible to know for certain until the teardown comes out. But as PCIE4.0 for only has four channels it would seem unlikely that a card with the six levels of priority he described for a PS4 would actually work in that. The workaround for the expandable storage is that it’s faster than the PS5’s internal storage to compensate for having less levels of priority.

Building those cards to operate within the power constraints of the console is going to be a considerable technical challenge. They have to achieve higher speeds and only have an access to a third of a number of channels of the inbuilt SSD.

@BAMozzy
'Unless you can categorically supply evidence that the way MS have gone about their SSD Storage and Expansion cards are in anyway worse for customers as far as costs and expandable solution than what Sony are going to do with PS5, I really don't think you can make that comment or criticize.'

Oh come on!
Dont get offended because I vaguely hinted and criticized xbox.
1 SeX expandable storage proprietary.
2 PS5 There s a bay for 3 rd party M2 drives.
Misinformed ?
Watch Cerny talk.
I'm not speculating but talking about facts we know as of now
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AGAIN IF Sony had proprietary SSD upgrade the way SeX showed, (and the other way round for xbox) comments would be a sht show about how Sony is arrogant blah blah doomed. Dont get offended because I was slightly aluding SeX isnt perfect.
All I said is fact:
'Its xbox who s doing this (proprietary) , not playstation'.
Jeez

@Ryall Of course, but you can't expect the rest of the industry to do the same thing. That was my point really. What Epic is doing is unsustainable, they are burning money right now, but with a goal in mind. If everyone were to demand the same thing from other companies, they'd be out of business soon enough.

@Octane Epic were paying 30% of any transaction to Sony. Setting up another outlet without that expense is why they can afford to give away free games.

@themcnoisy No, not really. They don't make those games themselves, so they're paying the publishers to give those games away for free. And that's not cheap. Without Fortnite, none of this would've been possible. Fortnite makes several billions each year, it's mental.

@Octane And swivs for unreal engine use.

@JJ2 A year from now I would expect the Xbox series X terabyte memory card to be significantly cheaper than a terabyte NVME card that is compatible with PS5. In five years time I would expect higher capacity cards to be available for PS5 and them to be cheaper than the preparatory solution used by Microsoft.

The most amazing thing about the ps5 is the time it take to load a game!.. I take 5 second for the brain to regret a decision. Like example hitting the gym. Eating healthy. If you go before those 5 second. You will definitely get there. So if I can start up a game under a second. Then I will mostly be playing more!

@Ryall
Oh you forgot the even increasingly 'faster' thingy every year but people like to downplay that.
I believe 3rd party usually means better value anytime too 🤷‍♂️ if SeX SSD upgrade are cheaper its probably fair for lower speed vs much much faster I guess?

But I'm sick of console wars.
Back to PS5 thinking for me

@JJ2 We don’t yet know exactly how much faster the PS5 additional storage is going to be compared to the Xbox series X. But it’s going to need to be somewhere between 2.2 and 2.8 times faster. In the short term that’s going to mean higher cost.

@Ryall
Yes I agree. Also the DualSense being more expensive than old xbox controllers type seems to indicate we ll get a very similar price for both consoles

I apologize if I missed this because I haven’t been paying attention to all the PS5 news or consistently following this thread, but have we heard anything official from Sony or third parties about PS5 upgrades for PS4 games being free?

I don’t typically have time to spend reading other sites so I just stick with Push Square, but I was browsing around and found a definitive statement regarding Xbox cross-buy scheme where they say if you own a game on any Xbox generation, then you don’t need to re-buy or pay for an upgrade to own it on all their generations of hardware; CD Project has confirmed that the Cyberpunk XSeX upgraded version will be free for those who own it on OneX. To my knowledge Sony hasn’t said the same for any cross-buy for PlayStation versions.

If so, that’s a pretty huge reveal. First, we have wondered if game prices will jump next gen and I think most people feel they probably will. AAA games are anticipated to be probably around $70. If so, then it makes more sense to just buy the PS4 version and get the PS5 upgrade for free.
This also would cut into Sony’s remaster pipeline that they’ve done quite a bit of this generation.
I had been thinking that one possible compromise for cross gen games was going to be added content to the next gen version. For example, play Cyberpunk or TLoU2 or GoT on PS4 for $60 or play the version on PS5 with native visual and performance upgrades and some added content like extra missions or bonus items for $70. However, the definitive statement from CD Project is:
“Gamers should never be forced to purchase the same game twice or pay for upgrades,” the Cyberpunk 2077 Twitter account said. “Owners of #Cyberpunk2077 for Xbox One will receive the Xbox Series X upgrade for free when available.”
And then:
“There’s no official announcement coming from PlayStation so we really can’t confirm or deny anything,” he added. “It’s PlayStation that first needs to address these issues and then we’re happy to make a comment, but we can’t jump the gun ahead of them.”

What do you think? Will PS4 versions be free upgrades? If so, there should be nothing to hold us back from jumping in and getting TLoU2, Cyberpunk, Avengers, GoT, Watchdogs Legion, etc. on PS4 at release rather than waiting for PS5.