I quote this from user "kevinjoshualim" on PSU.COM "First of all, if he was talking about a 50% increase in CPU cores then he would be correct. However, GPUs are a highly parallel environment. CPUs are regarded generally as the serial processing unit and GPUs as the parallel processing unit.
In the case of 12 CUs & 768 Shaders vs 18 CUs & 1152 Shaders on a GPU, more is always better. While I admit that in itself will not create a 50% power advantage; it is a considerable advantage.
He also neglects to mention another important point; the PS4 GPU has 32 ROPS & 72 Texture Units vs the Xbox One GPU's 16 ROPS & 48 Texture Units; this in itself is another considerable advantage that will cause the PS4 to age much better.
The Xbox One GPU has an 853MHz vs 800MHz advantage in clock speed over the PS4 GPU. I'm going for the PS4 but any bumps in tech specs on any system is always a plus for the industry. However, 12 Compute Units @ 853MHz vs 18 Compute Units @ 800MHz(?) on a GPU and the latter still wins out easily.
MS/Xbox continue to add the bandwidth of separate pipes together in their pr statements to try and fool the uninformed when in reality it does not work like that. It is NOT 272GB/s!
That 204GB/s peak theoretical read/write is limited to a 32MB chunk of low latency eSRAM but the main DDR3 2166MHz RAM is unified pool limited to 68GB/s of peak theoretical bandwidth. Around 20GB/s of that is inherently available to the CPU. The Xbox advantage here is a 30GB/s CPU-to-GPU HSA link.
On the PS4 you have a single, simple unified pool of GDDR5 5500MHz RAM which acts as a unified address space with 176GB/s of peak theoretical bandwidth across the board. Again, around 20GB/s of which is inherently available to the CPU. The PS4 has a 20GB/s CPU-to-GPU HSA link.
...and before anyone brings up latency advantages, in a traditional PC arena the DDR3 has a clear edge and the GDDR5 suffers (though the gap isn't quite as pronounced in the first place as some would say), however, hUMA/HSA implement a special memory controller configuration which neautralises much of this issue; and even without this, the better choice and compromise in a GPU-centric gaming console would be GDDR5.
So...the Xbox Advantages? A CPU with a marginally higher clock (though PS4 CPU clock is yet to be confirmed) and a notable amount of additional bandwidth coming in directly from the GPU. It's likely the SHAPE Audio chip is stronger than the Audio chip in the PS4 so there will be a slight ease in CPU load vs the PS4. A GPU with 53MHz clock advantage.
And...the PS4 advantages? A GPU with 29% additional computational power, a 50% increase in Compute Units/Shaders, a 50% increase in texture units, a 100% increase in fillrate and a 700% increase in compute queue granularity. A simpler, faster pool of GDDR5 RAM that acts as a unified address space.
Sony also have the stronger tools this time around, have had a better policy from the outset, they've put together a console with more raw power, likely with a chip die that is ironically smaller and subsequently cooler, in a smaller, more iconic, cheaper box with an internal psu that is selling in more countries earlier.
Also, people have to stop throwing around inexact percentages and stating them as if they count for the system as a whole; and people need to stop interchanging words like "power", "speed" etc.
Multiplatform games will for the most part be developed to the lowest common denominator; and the fact is that overall that is the Xbox One. So we're only likely to see a slightly stronger Image Quality & Performance on PS4 for most multiplats.
The first party PS4 titles though will pull away considerably though by the second and third generation of titles; and the lack of fillrate/texture units will age the Xbox One more by then."
I used it all the time on XBL. It just made the whole multiplayer with friends feel complete. I always hated that you had to mute everyone you didn't want to hear and PSN just felt kinda meh without it. Glad they are implementing it next gen.
The thing about E3 2013 is Sony didn't really show many ground breaking games and they didn't need to because they took advantage of Microsoft kicking themselves in the face. Gamescom is going to be murder. Sony's going to get away with it too .
Why are people freaking out? One its not even something for us to worry about. Its for developers to and they aren't complaining. Two, how many games even use more than 4gb of ram anyway?
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Re: PayPal Payment Option Added to the PlayStation 3
Finally.
Re: Microsoft Less Than Pleased With Claims Of PS4's Technical Superiority Over Xbox One
I quote this from user "kevinjoshualim" on PSU.COM
"First of all, if he was talking about a 50% increase in CPU cores then he would be correct. However, GPUs are a highly parallel environment. CPUs are regarded generally as the serial processing unit and GPUs as the parallel processing unit.
In the case of 12 CUs & 768 Shaders vs 18 CUs & 1152 Shaders on a GPU, more is always better. While I admit that in itself will not create a 50% power advantage; it is a considerable advantage.
He also neglects to mention another important point; the PS4 GPU has 32 ROPS & 72 Texture Units vs the Xbox One GPU's 16 ROPS & 48 Texture Units; this in itself is another considerable advantage that will cause the PS4 to age much better.
The Xbox One GPU has an 853MHz vs 800MHz advantage in clock speed over the PS4 GPU. I'm going for the PS4 but any bumps in tech specs on any system is always a plus for the industry. However, 12 Compute Units @ 853MHz vs 18 Compute Units @ 800MHz(?) on a GPU and the latter still wins out easily.
MS/Xbox continue to add the bandwidth of separate pipes together in their pr statements to try and fool the uninformed when in reality it does not work like that. It is NOT 272GB/s!
That 204GB/s peak theoretical read/write is limited to a 32MB chunk of low latency eSRAM but the main DDR3 2166MHz RAM is unified pool limited to 68GB/s of peak theoretical bandwidth. Around 20GB/s of that is inherently available to the CPU. The Xbox advantage here is a 30GB/s CPU-to-GPU HSA link.
On the PS4 you have a single, simple unified pool of GDDR5 5500MHz RAM which acts as a unified address space with 176GB/s of peak theoretical bandwidth across the board. Again, around 20GB/s of which is inherently available to the CPU. The PS4 has a 20GB/s CPU-to-GPU HSA link.
...and before anyone brings up latency advantages, in a traditional PC arena the DDR3 has a clear edge and the GDDR5 suffers (though the gap isn't quite as pronounced in the first place as some would say), however, hUMA/HSA implement a special memory controller configuration which neautralises much of this issue; and even without this, the better choice and compromise in a GPU-centric gaming console would be GDDR5.
So...the Xbox Advantages? A CPU with a marginally higher clock (though PS4 CPU clock is yet to be confirmed) and a notable amount of additional bandwidth coming in directly from the GPU. It's likely the SHAPE Audio chip is stronger than the Audio chip in the PS4 so there will be a slight ease in CPU load vs the PS4. A GPU with 53MHz clock advantage.
And...the PS4 advantages? A GPU with 29% additional computational power, a 50% increase in Compute Units/Shaders, a 50% increase in texture units, a 100% increase in fillrate and a 700% increase in compute queue granularity. A simpler, faster pool of GDDR5 RAM that acts as a unified address space.
Sony also have the stronger tools this time around, have had a better policy from the outset, they've put together a console with more raw power, likely with a chip die that is ironically smaller and subsequently cooler, in a smaller, more iconic, cheaper box with an internal psu that is selling in more countries earlier.
Also, people have to stop throwing around inexact percentages and stating them as if they count for the system as a whole; and people need to stop interchanging words like "power", "speed" etc.
Multiplatform games will for the most part be developed to the lowest common denominator; and the fact is that overall that is the Xbox One. So we're only likely to see a slightly stronger Image Quality & Performance on PS4 for most multiplats.
The first party PS4 titles though will pull away considerably though by the second and third generation of titles; and the lack of fillrate/texture units will age the Xbox One more by then."
Re: Forget About Cross-Game Chat, PS4 Will Feature Cross-Platform Chat
I used it all the time on XBL. It just made the whole multiplayer with friends feel complete. I always hated that you had to mute everyone you didn't want to hear and PSN just felt kinda meh without it. Glad they are implementing it next gen.
Re: Review: Time and Eternity (PlayStation 3)
This was already foreseen.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/time-and-eternity
Re: Persona 4 Arena Punching Back with New Characters
Yukari an actress?! Jumpei with hair?! BOSS STATUS ACHIEVED!
Re: Duh, Of Course Juliet Starling Is Going to Be in Killer Is Dead
The trailers are like spoilers.
Re: PS4 to Take Centre Stage During Sony's GamesCom Showcase
The thing about E3 2013 is Sony didn't really show many ground breaking games and they didn't need to because they took advantage of Microsoft kicking themselves in the face. Gamescom is going to be murder. Sony's going to get away with it too .
Re: So, That PlayStation 4 RAM Saga Is Still Rolling
Why are people freaking out? One its not even something for us to worry about. Its for developers to and they aren't complaining. Two, how many games even use more than 4gb of ram anyway?