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Re: PS5 Game Install Sizes Revealed, And They're Enormous

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot haha thanks for proving my point. You can see that those release list prices actually average way lower. The statistical analysis to skew a point is just laughable. Fact in hand. It’s over priced.

The reason we have sequels is that the recycle graphical assets and rely on branding. It’s lazy and creates uninspired games.

Re: PS5 Game Install Sizes Revealed, And They're Enormous

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot ? 😂
I’m not arguing any point and I not trying to convince you otherwise. I’m siting an opinion which I’m entitled to, as are you. It’s sad that a negative opinion seems to be deemed as less valid than a negative one just because it upsets you. Pre-order have nothing to do with anything. They could put a cardboard box and a big question mark next to each spec and it would still get pre-orders.

Every console always sells. It’s a massive market with a broad range of consumers. Technology products in particular have a huge “I need it first” market and always has. People were I kept it Super Famicoms before release in the UK and back in the early 90’s THAT was a task and a half.

But it was always affordable compared to PC gaming. The line is becoming more and more blurred with Sony and Microsoft being desperate to convert the gaming market into a hardware led market, following suit of graphics cards and mobile phones. I wouldn’t be surprised if we now get new hardware every 3 years.
Next Gen
Next Gen 1.5
Next Gen 2.0
Next Gen 2.5

It lets them forecast and build financial models easier. Nothing to do with the art form of games development. Gaming should be software led, not vice versa.

That’s why you got THE biggest advancements in gaming history when gaming hardware was developed by developers: Atari, Sega and Nintendo.

Since it became Sony and Microsoft leading the hardware market, gaming franchises have become weak regurgitated sequels and everything being pushed with huge budget graphics on games with bugger all substance or playability; but the masses don’t care cause it all looks pretty. It’s like playing the gaming equivalent of a rollercoaster Just big flashes of lights and noise on a dull and repetitive rail.

Re: PS5 Game Install Sizes Revealed, And They're Enormous

Shinobi1Kenobi

$400 for digital only. $500 (£450) for the actual full version of the console. THE most expensive console ever made. And THE biggest.

I’m no talking about if $400 is a lot of money. I’m saying that is beyond the norm for the launch price of a console. Couple that with the software hike and this has just gotten ridiculous based on cost alone. It’s just not a good gaming solution.

Re: PS5 Game Install Sizes Revealed, And They're Enormous

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot it’s not subjectively overpriced, it just is too expensive. They also don’t need to build a console now to make it cheap. Do you understand business or finances at all? Clearly not.

You have a BoM or procurable components in year 1, all are available as existing technologies at varying points in their life cycles.
If total BoM = Greater than specification build budget? Either A; You’re building too early or B: you’re specifying too high.

In this instance, I’d go with A as of the specification. Was any less than the PS5 right now then there would be even less of a purpose to the already tenuous purpose right now.

Holding off 2 years and dropping the price of One X and PS4 Pro to £199 would make far more sense from a development, financial and business perspective. Hold that pricing for two years when, miraculously, your 4TB SSDs are the same or half the price of your pointless .85TB today and the original spec RAM, CPU and manufacturing costs have also dropped. All of a sudden you can deliver a better console at a better time, for less than £400 and more likely than not, at 65% of the physical size. It is an ugly gigantic pile of crap right now. Anyone who doesn’t think so, is lying to themselves cause they are desperate for the latest tech or they will quickly think the same once they unbox it and see it actually stood, monolithic, in their lounge/bedroom. It’s ugly.

Or, wait and buy the Slim/Pro version that will inevitably come in 2023. A properly and better designed version of what they’ve fumbled together with this PS5. Buying this now, is just folly to one-up your piers.

But I’m guessing you fall into camp one and you’ll buy regardless which is your prerogative and ultimately Sony’s target market of “gimme gimme gimme” fanboys.

Re: PS5 Game Install Sizes Revealed, And They're Enormous

Shinobi1Kenobi

@mvhess Where in the world is £69.99 only £10 higher than £39.99/£49.99 if you’re used to paying £59.99 per game right now then you’re a fool with too much money. AAA titles haven’t cost over £49.99 since the N64.

With new prices starting at £69.99 that means extra £20 minimum, with some stores listing at £84.99 nobody but idiots desperate to have the latest thing first, regardless of how high priced or crap it may be, will buy this console and games on day 1.

Re: PS5 Game Install Sizes Revealed, And They're Enormous

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot no. I’m saying it’s too expensive as it is, SSD is too new a tech to be affordable in a home game console. Evidenced by the fact they’ll only put a sub 1TB drive in. It’s a pile of crap before it’s even launched. It’s a half baked next gen console just like the PS4 was. They should wait 2 years till they have a better design and production costs drop when the components are affordable.

Re: New PS5 Photos Show a Big and Weird Looking Console

Shinobi1Kenobi

@Exlee300p yeah... Quake, Doom and Elder Scrolls are real duds and flops 😂 😂 😂 best classics like Bloodborne (one of worst games ever).

Also I’m not ignorant, I think you’re more uninformed. Microsoft just acquired Bethesda as an exclusive first party studio.

Would you like this spoon for eating your words? 🥄

Re: PS5 Game Install Sizes Revealed, And They're Enormous

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot ever since PS3 1TB has never been enough for me. I think launching a platform where everything is from from the onboard memory in this day and age. Anything less than 1TB is laughable and pointless. They’ve also gone for the most expensive version of SSD. Mind you at nearly £100 a game, it’ll be along time anyone owns enough quality titles on this platform anyway.

Re: PS5 Game Install Sizes Revealed, And They're Enormous

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot what are you talking about?

Where did I say I wanted a bigger and more expensive console when the PS5 represents everything about over priced and over sized as it already is?

Why are you using a thesaurus to use words like vociferously when no human being would use words like that in a conversation in real life? 😂

All good questions, but the best was first.. what are you talking about?

Re: New PS5 Photos Show a Big and Weird Looking Console

Shinobi1Kenobi

@Royalblues that came out much later in the lifecycle of the Genesis after they stopped production of the master system to let people still play their old games.... not many people bought one. It wasn’t to bolster the launch library of the console. It was just ANOTHER sega add-on, bless them. How they loved their add-ons.

Re: New PS5 Photos Show a Big and Weird Looking Console

Shinobi1Kenobi

@NEStalgia I totally agree with everything you just said. And that’s where console gaming is failing.

Indeed, the N64 has it right all along and migrating gaming to discs was the worst mistake ever as that made it ALL about the hardware and not the software.

But console hardware has mutated into a poor mans PC and less like a console. It’s sad to see and making us pay out all over again every several years for slightly better graphics is just a pathetic state of affairs.

Re: New PS5 Photos Show a Big and Weird Looking Console

Shinobi1Kenobi

@Exlee300p Sony instigate the negativity with their product. They peaked with PS3 massively and it was an awesome console, as were the previous 2. 4 was a massive mis step and 5 feels like more of the same. Lots of bells and whistles, but ultimately offering absolutely nothing new.

Re: New PS5 Photos Show a Big and Weird Looking Console

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot I think you’ve wiki’ed your way around that. Which consoles had an add-on that let you play games from the previous gen? 😂 that never happened.

there is no need for the PS5 right now. Sticking with the point in case, that hardware alone is bloody massive!!! Just to accommodate the hardware that’s too premature

Re: New PS5 Photos Show a Big and Weird Looking Console

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot I’m guessing your quite young and only experienced “next generation” hardware for the last few generations.

The concept of new generation hardware launching with cross generation software is a new thing. ALL new generation hardware ALWAYS launched with platform and generation exclusives.... that is the whole point of next generation hardware.

SNES launched with F-Zero and Super Mario World - previously impossible games on the previous gen hardware.

PsOne launched with Ridge Racer and Crash Bandicoot - previously impossible games on the previous gen hardware.

N64 launched with Turok and Super Mario 64 - absolutely impossible on any other platform at that time.

Dreamcast launched with Soul Calibur and Sonic Adventure - previously impossible games on the previous gen hardware.

PS3 launched with a full online environment and and HD capabilities.

After that...... nothing much happened. Except for more RAM and more GPU RAM. Consoles fell into the PC graphic card trap.

Every “generation” since PS3 is now a weak soft launch with no software to back it up and a slight hardware boost from the previous one.

The PS4 was Sony’s worst generational hardware yet.

The PS3 also wasn’t around too long. It’s testament to how right Sony got it with the PS3. If anything, if all you’re bringing to the table is more RAM then the generations should last longer and longer as the visible improvements will get less and less as with any graphic hardware. The Steps to get the boost needed to get to make a significant visual improvement get bigger and bigger and come with greater and greater cost, that is if you chose to focus on this benefit alone prematurely..... like the PS5.

SSDs are great, but still to dear as a cost effective solution for console gaming. You’ve had to suffer painful loading times with Sony since 1995, why worry about it now?

The PSVR is god awful as a VR set up. If that’s your opinion, I’m guessing it’s your only VR experience and fair enough. You’ve more cables hanging from your body than Neo when he wakes up in the Matrix, you’ve more hardware add ons lying around than a 90’s Sega console and the resultant visuals are a slow, murky, blurry mess. And it is damaging to your eyes, not a wives tale. Fact. Why do you think you are instructed to take regular breaks? And why are children under a certain age prohibited from using it Static focal length for extended periods is damaging to your eyes.

Re: New PS5 Photos Show a Big and Weird Looking Console

Shinobi1Kenobi

@thefourfoldroot I counter disagree and you’ve reminded me of another point.

the PS4 and XBox One were also early and unrequired. It should have remained as PS3 and 360 until the 4K Pro and X were developed and available. The release of PS4 and One started this whole offset release of generational hardware as it was turned into a race and competitive release of hardware. Anyone disagree? Or were we all perfectly happy and psyched rebuying “deluxe” versions of last of us, tomb raider, black ops iii, GTA V, battlefield etc etc that had already been out and played on PS3? Must have been 2-3 years before we got actual PS4 games and then not long after that.... the PS4 Pro..... the point at which we should have actually seen a PS3 successor. If all this sounds familiar, it’s because it is cause the exact same thing is happening again.

The loading times coming with PS5 have been common place on Nintendo consoles for the last 35 years. Finally getting to employ SSDs to add this factor to PlayStation is great, but again too early as it adds too much cost. If this feature was so critical to you and worth every penny then surely this means you have a nice and fast PS4 since launch and bought your £350 consoles along with a £400 SSD drive on day one? Tech is worth it right?

Also... VR was a dad dead duck since it’s inception and the PSVR is by a clear mile the worst quality VR experience I’ve ever had. Just awful. It’s a gimmick interface like the move controller that never really got adopted. VR works in short bursts, not in long stints of gaming and it never will be. It’s best suited to arcades, entertainment experiences, therapy and sensory benefits and commercial applications. Not gaming. Forcing you occular focal length to something so stunted for extended periods of time is just not good for you mentally or physically and will damage and weaken your eyes. VR has also been around and employed in gaming since the 90’s and so never been considered the defining point of any generation least if all the PS4 generation.

2023 we will see a revised, smaller, better, more cost effective PS5 slim/Pro and it will be at that point there will be ACTUAL PS5 games and the point when it would be worth looking at the hardware on offer. This PS5 and software line up? another waste of time from Sony just after hardware sales as they are not a gaming developer helping push what video games can be and what they can offer as an experience, they are just a Dell of the gaming world.

Re: Horizon Forbidden West Built from the 'Ground Up' for PS5

Shinobi1Kenobi

From the ground up in PS5 but will still be on PS4? Tells me there’s little point in the PS5 and this game would not have been noticeably different or sold any less of just the PS4 version was released. PS4 Pro should have been PS5 and this new console should have been PS6 and not released for another few years

Re: New PS5 Photos Show a Big and Weird Looking Console

Shinobi1Kenobi

I’m going to be negative about this console, so be forewarned before reading on.

I personally hate everything that this and the XBox Series X stand for. Hardware manufacturer greed.

In my opinion, if a console cannot be delivered for £399.99 for the hardware and £59.99 for the software and under from day one, Then you are bringing technologies to a market way too early.

If you cannot for said new hardware inside of dimensions that mean it will fit locally to a TV within a lounge or bedroom environment then yet again... you are bringing that technology to market too early.

Our console passion is fastly evolving into the mobile phone market with a hardware manufacturer desperate for your coin with every iteration of hardware and little thought spared for the software and the product you are actually buying into.

NES and master system: accessible gaming
SNES and mega drive: Explosion of IPs and libraries and the benchmark for controller interfaces
N64, Saturn and PSOne: turkey navigable 3D worlds
PS2, GameCube, Dreamcast, XBox: Network capabilities
360, Wii, PS3: true online gaming, digital store platforms
PS4, XBox One, Wii U: HD as standard
(1/2 gen) PS4 Pro, XBox One X: step change in graphical performance
Nintendo Switch.... stand along appeal and true gaming accessibility

At this point, as gamers we have every platform we need, we each generation actually offering a reason to invest all over again into a new generation.
The PS5 offers nothing but another small step forward from where we already are but asks an extortionate entry price to play games we’ve already played or can already play on existing platforms.

We could have PS6 right now but it would cost £1200 and be 2 foot tall..... a PC tower.

The appeal of console gaming is it takes what works from PC architecture, and adapts specific components to present a readily accessible platform that should give 5-7 years of longevity with the benchmark it decides upon and deliver software affordably to the gaming public.

What we have here is a massive rogering that’s about to set a precedent and ruin console gaming forever.

We shouldn’t have got PS5 and XBox Series X till 2022 at least when at least the manufacturers had at least decided what it was suppose to be, what the point of it even is, and that it’s actually delivering something that warrants a new generation of hardware.

Hardware is there to give developers a platform to develop for. Not constantly changing the hardware to our demands on developers. If anything developers need gears to perfect their craft on new hardware every generation and they don’t commit 100% till at least year 3 of that lifecycle.