“I want to give you the choice on how you play your games, and who you play with, and not try to do slimy platform things to force you to do what I want you to do,”
And that's why I cancelled the release of Starfield, Redfall and Indiana Jones on PlayStation as soon as I bought them.
I actually thank Phil for the first two, and I suspect I'll be grateful for the third after seeing the combat in yesterday's showcase.
@UltimateOtaku91 I missed it as well during the showcase. I thought it might be an associated name like Sid Meier when I read it here, turns out it's a contrast between light and dark in art.
@Icey664 Not announced exactly as they've passed, but we've already had 3 excellent games this year that can only be played on PS5 currently, and of course Helldivers 2 as well.
I saw parts of a streamers playthrough yesterday, full game from start to finish took him 5 hours 50 minutes. What I saw looked visually stunning, and I thought the sound mixing and overall audio was phenomenal. That said, had this released on PS5 it would have cost £50, and to me a game you can finish in under 6 hours is not worth that price.
Had this not been on gamepass I think the positive discourse around it would be very different.
@TheAmbienWalrus I picked it up for only £5 after the announcement they were going back to the drawing board and overhauling it. That was shortly followed by the announcement they've changed their minds 😂
I didn't think it was terrible, it had some elements that I found fun as well, it just wasn't what I wanted from a Bioware game.
I just think their communication could be improved.
I genuinely can't remember the last time I felt short of anything to play, but I also can't remember the last time I saw an update for something 1st party that's being worked on.
@DennisReynolds It's not PR marketing, it's their legally binding terms of service.
I'm not even sure what argument you're trying to make now by saying "Sony could decide suspend and ban means the same thing". You're creating hypothetical points to support an opinion with no evidence backing it up. If you said to me, here is proof of numerous times where Sony decided suspended and banned meant the same thing, then your point would have merit. The fact is their TOS clearly states what constitutes a suspension and how that can be appealed. The outcome of that appeal is what decides whether you get permanently banned or not.
@DennisReynolds It does when it comes to spreading misinformation. People hear something and they run with it as fact. The fact is it doesn't result in an immediate ban.
In the unlikely event of a suspension there's no way you would have lost an appeal because they were in the wrong. The minimum resolution would have been a full refund.
@RamboMike They didn't change their TOS, it's an FAQ page under support on their website. A requirement was never stated in their EULA, nor was one amended.
@RamboMike They didn't change their TOS, they altered the wording on the FAQ section of their website, which isn't illegal by the way, even if it's a s**t thing to do in the middle of a storm.
Ultimately, this mess should never have happened. Registration was supposed to be in from the start. Arrowhead should have explained it's requirement and the reasons why they weren't initially implementing it, being transparent on the fact they would be at a later date. A workaround for customers unable to meet those requirements should have been communicated from both Sony and Arrowhead or the game should never have been available to purchase for them in the first place.
All of that is valid. I don't agree the way people behaved over it was.
@Ainu20 @DennisReynolds @Stanek22990 Unless I'm mistaken, and if I am please correct me, what you're referring to is the submission of false personal information under section 6 that results in a suspension, not ban, from the playstation network. I can see nowhere where it specifically states choosing a country you don't reside in results in a ban. If you're suspended and this is the reason given, you can appeal that decision. In the rare circumstance this happens, you could easily make a case for why you were unable to do so. The onus would be on Sony to find a solution to a problem they created by selling a product in a country where a requirement couldn't be met by the consumer. At the very least you would get a full refund.
Suggesting Steam would have banned people on behalf of Sony over this and locked them out of their Steam account is unfounded. I agree with @ATaco regarding fear mongering on that.
They've been hacked more than once, but it's completely irrelevant to this conversation anyway. It was used as a focal point to support the pathetic outrage of the loudest and dumbest complainers. Some would have known that creating an account would contain nothing of interest in a worst case scenario, but most latched on to it completely uneducated on the matter.
What you're referring to is only applicable in the UK and Ireland, and it's to verify your age when creating an adult account. Not only can you completely skip that stage, making it a non issue with regards to this topic, but you can also use a mobile phone number instead if you don't want to provide photo ID. Any data you submit if you choose to complete that stage is immediately deleted after confirmation and isn't saved to your profile.
So again, nothing private is demanded from you to create a linked account.
@NEStalgia They'll just move on to the next thing they're outraged about.
Remember when this game first launched and there was an extremely vocal movement crying about anticheat, on twitter, gaming websites, message boards etc. Many were stating it's inclusion was a ridiculous decision and they weren't going to support the game as a result. Well, it's funny how quickly they shut up when they realised how enjoyable the game was.
@BAMozzy They're not demanding your "private" email. If using that was a major cause for concern though, what's preventing you from creating a throwaway?
They should have offered a full refund to everyone review bombing. Sit back and watch the majority of these clowns go, wait, what? No, you're supposed to remove the account creation we were made aware of from the start, why are you honoring our threats?
Then follow that up a week or two later by instructing Arrowhead to release some amazing content they can all miss out on.
For those saying they couldn't create an account because of location, providing them with a solution or advice on a workaround was probably the better approach here 😂
@ChrisDeku I'm willing to bet this gets walked back, further conditioning those involved that how they've reacted was appropriate and justified. Hopefully I'm wrong.
@ChrisDeku The bank stuff is the angle I believe a lot of them are trying to come from when they suggest their security is being compromised with this request, which makes no sense.
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@Jacko11 I applaud your use of emojis 😄
Re: Xbox Really Wasn't Happy with PlayStation's Call of Duty Marketing Deal
“I want to give you the choice on how you play your games, and who you play with, and not try to do slimy platform things to force you to do what I want you to do,”
And that's why I cancelled the release of Starfield, Redfall and Indiana Jones on PlayStation as soon as I bought them.
I actually thank Phil for the first two, and I suspect I'll be grateful for the third after seeing the combat in yesterday's showcase.
Re: These Are All the Games from the Xbox Showcase Confirmed for PS5
@themightyant Elder Scrolls as well.
Re: These Are All the Games from the Xbox Showcase Confirmed for PS5
@UltimateOtaku91 I missed it as well during the showcase. I thought it might be an associated name like Sid Meier when I read it here, turns out it's a contrast between light and dark in art.
Re: These Are All the Games from the Xbox Showcase Confirmed for PS5
@UltimateOtaku91 It's there, 4 down.
Re: These Are All the Games from the Xbox Showcase Confirmed for PS5
@Ainu20 I won't lie, I had to Google who that was. I really should have known after the excellent job he did on Final Fantasy.
Re: These Are All the Games from the Xbox Showcase Confirmed for PS5
@Icey664 Not announced exactly as they've passed, but we've already had 3 excellent games this year that can only be played on PS5 currently, and of course Helldivers 2 as well.
Re: These Are All the Games from the Xbox Showcase Confirmed for PS5
Expeditions 33 was the standout for me, looking forward to that.
Re: Some PlayStation Fans Are Losing Their Minds Over LEGO Horizon Being on Switch
They'll be fine after they've had their turkey twizzlers, beans and capri sun.
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I have a few smaller titles in my backlog I want to start so it will either be Shakedown Hawaii, Huntdown or Narita Boy.
Re: Sony Trolls Bloodborne Stans with Astro Bot PS5 Pre-Order Bonus
@get2sammyb Agreed, I'd buy that neon dream controller in a heartbeat as well.
Re: Astro Bot Looks Absolutely Glorious, Lands on PS5 This September
I'm so excited for this, it looked incredible.
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It was saved by Astro Bot, that looked phenomenal.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 530
I'm gonna start my first playthrough of Blasphemous 2.
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I saw parts of a streamers playthrough yesterday, full game from start to finish took him 5 hours 50 minutes. What I saw looked visually stunning, and I thought the sound mixing and overall audio was phenomenal. That said, had this released on PS5 it would have cost £50, and to me a game you can finish in under 6 hours is not worth that price.
Had this not been on gamepass I think the positive discourse around it would be very different.
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I can't read the word prognosticator without thinking about Groundhog Day. I can't read the word prognosticator without thinking about Groundhog Day.
Re: PS5 Action RPG V Rising Snags June Release Date Alongside PS Plus Discount
@ShogunRok Okay cheers.
Re: PS5 Action RPG V Rising Snags June Release Date Alongside PS Plus Discount
@ShogunRok Do you know if the contents of the other editions are all cosmetic?
Re: PS5 Sales Reach 59.3 Million as Sony Falls Just Short of Fiscal Year Forecast
This ^
The fact it was extremely difficult to source and buy for the first two years makes this even more impressive.
Re: Sony Delists Ghost of Tsushima PC from Steam Regions in Line with Helldivers 2
@MrMagic Don't come in here making sense, you're supposed to be outraged!
Re: Capcom Now Considers Dragon's Dogma a 'Key Brand' Following Substantial Sales
@Matroska There were quite a few changes made alongside the new area they added.
https://dragonsdogma.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon%27s_Dogma:_Dark_Arisen
Re: This Year's Call of Duty May Not Be Included in Xbox Game Pass After All
@get2sammyb You called it yesterday.
What are your favourite six numbers between 1 & 59?
Re: The Big Dragon Age: Dreadwolf Reveal Is Incoming, 2024 Release Date Reportedly Set
@TheAmbienWalrus I picked it up for only £5 after the announcement they were going back to the drawing board and overhauling it. That was shortly followed by the announcement they've changed their minds 😂
I didn't think it was terrible, it had some elements that I found fun as well, it just wasn't what I wanted from a Bioware game.
Re: The Big Dragon Age: Dreadwolf Reveal Is Incoming, 2024 Release Date Reportedly Set
Please be good 🤞 Anthem will be a forgotten memory if they pull this off.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@DennisReynolds Were you permanently suspended from most of them for spreading misinformation?
Re: PS5 Fans Mostly Happy with Sony's Third-Party Deals, But PlayStation Studios Need to Step Up
I just think their communication could be improved.
I genuinely can't remember the last time I felt short of anything to play, but I also can't remember the last time I saw an update for something 1st party that's being worked on.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@DennisReynolds This has been a great insight in to how ridiculous some perspectives were during this overblown nonsense.
Edit - I've edited this as I incorrectly stated you were wrong in your previous comment. My apologies.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@DennisReynolds It's not PR marketing, it's their legally binding terms of service.
I'm not even sure what argument you're trying to make now by saying "Sony could decide suspend and ban means the same thing". You're creating hypothetical points to support an opinion with no evidence backing it up. If you said to me, here is proof of numerous times where Sony decided suspended and banned meant the same thing, then your point would have merit. The fact is their TOS clearly states what constitutes a suspension and how that can be appealed. The outcome of that appeal is what decides whether you get permanently banned or not.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@ATaco For sure, and those same people will likely create a scene should they be asked again on other titles in the future.
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Terrible for those involved. There's some real talent there so hopefully they'll quickly find positions elsewhere.
Tango's closure is truly bizarre after the critical success of Hi Fi Rush.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@DennisReynolds It does when it comes to spreading misinformation. People hear something and they run with it as fact. The fact is it doesn't result in an immediate ban.
In the unlikely event of a suspension there's no way you would have lost an appeal because they were in the wrong. The minimum resolution would have been a full refund.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@RamboMike They didn't change their TOS, it's an FAQ page under support on their website. A requirement was never stated in their EULA, nor was one amended.
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@Bamila They should be, Bam, mine are currently downloading.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@RamboMike They didn't change their TOS, they altered the wording on the FAQ section of their website, which isn't illegal by the way, even if it's a s**t thing to do in the middle of a storm.
Ultimately, this mess should never have happened. Registration was supposed to be in from the start. Arrowhead should have explained it's requirement and the reasons why they weren't initially implementing it, being transparent on the fact they would be at a later date. A workaround for customers unable to meet those requirements should have been communicated from both Sony and Arrowhead or the game should never have been available to purchase for them in the first place.
All of that is valid. I don't agree the way people behaved over it was.
Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
@Ainu20 @DennisReynolds @Stanek22990 Unless I'm mistaken, and if I am please correct me, what you're referring to is the submission of false personal information under section 6 that results in a suspension, not ban, from the playstation network. I can see nowhere where it specifically states choosing a country you don't reside in results in a ban. If you're suspended and this is the reason given, you can appeal that decision. In the rare circumstance this happens, you could easily make a case for why you were unable to do so. The onus would be on Sony to find a solution to a problem they created by selling a product in a country where a requirement couldn't be met by the consumer. At the very least you would get a full refund.
Suggesting Steam would have banned people on behalf of Sony over this and locked them out of their Steam account is unfounded. I agree with @ATaco regarding fear mongering on that.
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Re: Helldivers 2 CEO Praises 'Willpower' of Community in Sony Showdown
Good lord. First he tells them their outrage was warranted, now he's applauding their "willpower".
How could anyone come to the conclusion that those involved behaved with restraint and lacked impulsiveness.
Re: Review Bombers Were Even Attacking Other Games Made by Helldivers 2 Dev
@BeerIsAwesome In the interest of fairness I just want to link this - https://firewalltimes.com/sony-data-breach-timeline/
They've been hacked more than once, but it's completely irrelevant to this conversation anyway. It was used as a focal point to support the pathetic outrage of the loudest and dumbest complainers. Some would have known that creating an account would contain nothing of interest in a worst case scenario, but most latched on to it completely uneducated on the matter.
Microsoft's breaches by the way - https://firewalltimes.com/microsoft-data-breach-timeline/
Though as you said, there's complete silence on every required account creation for them.
Re: Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement Backtracked on PC After Brutal Review Bombing Campaign
It will never cease to disappoint me that acting like a massive entitled brat will often reward you in the current age.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@BAMozzy I just saw your edit.
What you're referring to is only applicable in the UK and Ireland, and it's to verify your age when creating an adult account. Not only can you completely skip that stage, making it a non issue with regards to this topic, but you can also use a mobile phone number instead if you don't want to provide photo ID. Any data you submit if you choose to complete that stage is immediately deleted after confirmation and isn't saved to your profile.
So again, nothing private is demanded from you to create a linked account.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@NEStalgia They'll just move on to the next thing they're outraged about.
Remember when this game first launched and there was an extremely vocal movement crying about anticheat, on twitter, gaming websites, message boards etc. Many were stating it's inclusion was a ridiculous decision and they weren't going to support the game as a result. Well, it's funny how quickly they shut up when they realised how enjoyable the game was.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@TheTony316 Yep, just under 99k currently playing, and no noticeable change to daily engagement compared to numbers right before the outrage began.
I would love to see the data on the individuals making the most noise.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@BAMozzy They're not demanding your "private" email. If using that was a major cause for concern though, what's preventing you from creating a throwaway?
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@Deityjester Sounds great. 646 people are currently playing so have fun with that.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@BAMozzy What private details are they demanding?
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
@Deityjester Sure you would 😂
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
They should have offered a full refund to everyone review bombing. Sit back and watch the majority of these clowns go, wait, what? No, you're supposed to remove the account creation we were made aware of from the start, why are you honoring our threats?
Then follow that up a week or two later by instructing Arrowhead to release some amazing content they can all miss out on.
For those saying they couldn't create an account because of location, providing them with a solution or advice on a workaround was probably the better approach here 😂
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@ChrisDeku I'm willing to bet this gets walked back, further conditioning those involved that how they've reacted was appropriate and justified. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@ChrisDeku Maybe they think there's a requirement to setup some sort of verified payment information when creating a psn account.
Re: Helldivers 2 PC Is Getting Review Bombed Over PSN Requirement
@ChrisDeku The bank stuff is the angle I believe a lot of them are trying to come from when they suggest their security is being compromised with this request, which makes no sense.