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@Sekijo let’s go with your point about the NES versus PlayStation so I’m trying to figure out how old you are.

But when the PlayStation came out, they went disc base which was 20-50 times cheaper than the NES cartridges, so it was easier to make games for so literally almost every third party went exclusive to PlayStation, because of how much cheaper it was to make games for. Nintendo had the same logic as Sony about being blockbuster and not wanting to change.

You still haven’t proved how it’s a monopoly. The only thing you brought up is bad decisions made by companies. But you still haven’t brought up how it’s an actual monopoly.

You sound like the FTC. How does this hurt consumers and the competition?

Sony is too big and too strong. This one merger right now isn’t gonna hurt them.

Pay attention and see how powerful the Sony fan bases heck go to websites and pay attention to the websites. In the comments they make even the Xbox websites are Sony fans.

You really think this one merger is gonna hurt them, and take away the top spot? Activision‘s biggest title is still going to remain on PlayStation, as long as one exists.

The proof is look at Minecraft, Minecraft came out in I think 2012 or something, still remains on PlayStation, and there’s no advantage of having it on Xbox. Matter fact, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Minecraft on PlayStation extra?

@UltimateOtaku91 if you, Google you’ll find when Xbox first came around Sega actually wanted Microsoft buy them. Bill Gates thought that they could be successful without buying big publishers.

I know there’s people out there that don’t believe this, but I don’t think Microsoft is a malicious company that would buy people without wanting to be bought. I do think they want money and sometimes yes, it leads to monopolies, but I haven’t seen them maliciously buy anybody yet.

There was a game informer, and an interview with Evan Wells the CEO of naughty dog that Sony hostel bought them and they found out that Sony was getting ready to buy them, so the hurried up and sold the crash bandicoot IP because they didn’t wanna get stuck, making crash bandicoot games for the rest of their lives.

Fun fact, it’s actually a trivia question and one of the game informer magazines

@UltimateOtaku91 call dude 100% agree with you with his online service subscription live service games.

It’s killing Ubisoft. Ubisoft is definitely trying to hard to find their cash cow (like Fortnite).

I read a rumor somewhere that Sony is trying to release 15 live service games from their own studios. Supposedly socom is one of them. The last of us factions was or maybe still is one them

@Sekijo actually, Activision was actively looking for somebody to buy their company, not the other way around.

Again, you use the word monopoly but you haven’t given any real examples of a monopoly. This is just more of a classic case the rich get richer and you don’t like it.

Exclusives come and go. Every console has them.

Dude, you’re missing the point. If I’m a PlayStation gamer, which I’m a whole Gen ahead of the Xbox, and when the PS2 came out correct me if I’m wrong, but the Xbox didn’t come out until the year two or three later. Why would I need to jump ship if I’m used to this used to these other IP’s?

Plus, I’m used to the consul interface. I’m used to the controller. I also have kids who will play on my PlayStation that I bought and the chances are they will actually grow to be PlayStation fans to.

Face it that Xbox one era really killed them. Which Phil has acknowledged

@Sekijo my issue with you is if you go and look at their reviews for their first party games actually haven’t been bad. Their ratings of actually been pretty good.

The problem was during the Xbox one era Dan Merrick, I think was the guy that was running at Xbox at the time, ran it down to the ground by his Kinect security spying, digital only advertising, always connected online. Is what killed them not their first party games.

The studios that they own also produce different games that don’t necessarily appeal to everybody but are rated high

since the Xbox one sales also killed them, and they lost a lot of their developers

@UltimateOtaku91 see, I agree with what you’re saying there, but my issue is since the PS4, when they didn’t have no competition, and Microsoft was almost out of the console wars, Sony got really complacent.

I think you’re the guy that I told, like if you look at there big IP’s they’ve had in the past they never came out during the PS4 era. Literally twisted metal has been on every platform that Sony has produced except during that era. Even had twisted metal on PSP vita.

Socom was literally their first online multiplayer game from first party. Plus, I think socom 3 was the first real battle royale game that actually came out, and that was during the PS2.

@Somebody I know I said it wrong but either way I know for a fact he hasn’t lied yet. I have yet to catch him in a lie. he’s been pretty consistent on the message that he’s been trying to send out.

Like I know, a lot of people were making fun of them when he said in the trial that they’ve lost a Console war, but he actually said the same thing in like 2017 and if you actually listen to his reasonings, he ain’t wrong. Plus, it’s also why they haven’t been keeping track or announcing Xbox Console sales.

He’s even said back in 2016 or 17 that he sees a future with no exclusives, and the only competition is who offers the better features

@Sekijo but they do have games to compete. The problem is why go to xbox when you’re so used to the games that are on PlayStation. that’s the problem they need existing IP’s in order to convince you to come over.

Forza Horizon five is an amazing game, halo infinite still got good reviews. Age of empires just came out. It’s been getting phenomenal feedback and reviews.

Again, if I’m used to my PlayStation titles like Gran Turismo, why try Forza?

You might hate this, but it makes perfect sense of why they’re buying these companies. And they’re not buying these companies maliciously these companies are wanting to sell to them.

As far as Spider-Man goes, they actually give a reason why they didn’t buy it if you look it up. It was a pretty good reason.

@UltimateOtaku91 @Somebody when he said that I think he was just referring to call of duty, because I do believe Diablo Crash Spyro and some other titles will be exclusive. I don’t thanks they wanted to compete this way in the console market because I think if you get them in a room by themselves, I think they would’ve ditch the Xbox a while ago and just a game pass but because Sony has such a hold on the console market. They could literally demand a percentage of income from GamePass being on PlayStation.

So Microsoft has to it’s Xbox, Console

@UltimateOtaku91 @Somebody I think I did use the word IP’s, somebody

But like I said, I think this is a good thing because the fact that we’re all talking about this and are going on about it means that Microsoft is stepping their game up, which I do think is better for competition. Competition should equal better games and better prices.

@UltimateOtaku91 look I don’t agree with you, but I don’t have an issue with you.

He’s only reason I’ve pointed you out a couple times I’m just lost on while you’re on the Xbox website went on the PlayStation website you literally said you traded your Xbox in but you still pop over to make comments. Talking about how Microsoft has no IP. But they don’t release any first party games but they’ve literally had a ton of first party games come out all year and I think five of them came out on PlayStation.

I ain’t got no issue with you, but I do think competition is good and the fact that we’re all talking about this means that Microsoft is stepping up their game, which is putting everybody on notice, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, because better competition equals better games and better prices

@Sekijo look I’m not upset about the Spider-Man. I bring it up because you’re upset about Microsoft making stuff exclusive but it’s OK for Sony. You’re kind of being real hypocritical.

As far as all the rare titles that you bring up, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Nintendo sell rare to Microsoft that kind of negates your whole argument.

The FTC literally talks about what the definition of a monopoly is. And Tony has literally done every single one of them with the PlayStation.

@UltimateOtaku91 do you know how many movies are called the forest

@UltimateOtaku91 I get what you’re trying to sell that’s not how it works.

Let’s say you’re right Microsoft hasn’t made anything exclusive that’s existing then because StarField wasn’t existing yet neither was RedFall. Neither was the Indiana Jones game.
They never existed on PlayStation. So, you still don’t have a lie from Phil.

But look, I see good things for PlayStation in the near future. I can’t wait for the next twisted metal and socom. Maybe will run into each other. I seriously see good things for Sony’s PlayStation.

@Sekijo hissy fit are you talking about Jim Ryan and him flying all around to other countries crying and then having the nerve to come to I think it was the White House correct me if I’m wrong complaining about the monopoly and then the lady literally telling Jim that she needs to go back to his parent company in Japan and blame them for allowing their monopoly when they own 98% of Japan?

Look we are clearly not going to agree. So let me ask you this. How do you believe it’s a monopoly and keep in mind that no other regulators have been able to prove that it’s a monopoly. And in the FTC case, Sony literally came out with that 90 minute video that pretty much saved Microsoft in that whole case. How do you believe it’s a monopoly?

If you look at the forms and stuff, it sounds like a lot of you weren’t gonna jump ship so it’s not gonna help Microsoft out. And last I checked, it’s not illegal to make money. They’re keeping call of duty on PlayStation.

I didn’t see none of you guys complaining about Spider-Man being exclusive and war Final Fantasy 16.

The games are getting them or consumers so they’re not taking away.

The only complaint, I’m finding is the rich get richer, which last I checked that’s not a legal

@UltimateOtaku91 the gaming industry is different so elder scrolls 6 in that time doesn’t exist. It’s not an IP that’s actually paid for yet. The gaming industry works a little different but yes I get what you’re trying to say.

I think you need to do a little more research on it but trust me I get what you’re trying to say, you’re wrong, but I get it

@Sekijo so wait a minute you’re mad because Phil’s taking games away from Sony. Sony has literally been taking games away from Xbox. You’re trying to say that you’re OK with Sony doing it but not Xbox?

See, I actually think this merger is a good thing because for the first time people are actually talking about Xbox, getting ips for once. Which means better competition.

And as far as game pass goes, you’re upset about that, but PlayStation could literally do the same thing and be better. In a matter fact Jim Ryan even said that.

And that’s what Brad Smith said about Sony trying to be the blockbuster of gaming industry. They’re refusing to change and the reason they’re refusing to change is because right now there are monopoly in the market.

@Sekijo I think you need to quit reading journalist sites because if you watch the interviews with Phil Spencer, not one time, did he say that the Bethesda franchises would stay on PlayStation. His exact words was existing IP’s would remain multiplatform.

This is what people don’t realize existing IP is elder scrolls Skyrim. Elder scrolls six is not an existing IP, the word that all you guys were looking for was existing franchises and that’s not what Phil said.

@Sekijo Sony also announced within a year that they were already making profit on the PS5. Shortly after they put in a cheaper heat sink and increase prices on the Ps5 everywhere except the US because of Microsoft. Shortly after that they put it in even more cheaper heat sink in. Now they’re releasing articles and people are complaining about the PS5 overheating.

Before the systems even came out, Sony wanted to raise the standard price of video games to 80 bucks. It was confirmed that Sony was the loudest voice of raising the standard price of video games to 80. Why because they knew they could get away with it.

But a bunch of other companies fought back against it because it would kill the Indy developers and Microsoft said they would stay with $60

@Sekijo they’re not focus on console as a whole. They lost the console wars Phil Spencer said this in 2017, and he’s not wrong.

How is he trying to form a monopoly? They literally have games on everything.

They’re not like Sony trying to force you to one specific platform

@Sekijo but they didn’t. you’re not looking at Microsoft whole operation that’s why they started game pass. They’re trying to get PC gamers, Console gamers, Steamdeck, smart TVs, and mobile gamers with GamePass.

@Sekijo the whole “Microsoft has to pay more because they have a smaller player base” is a weak argument.

You might think it’s a weak argument, but it’s a true argument, and in order to be $1 trillion company you can’t just throw cash away, you don’t have an endless supply of it, otherwise it wouldn’t be a called a $1 billion or trillion dollar company, it’d be called endless, which isn’t a real thing. come back to the real world. You can’t just throw money away, it’s call a business.

And I did answer your question it’s in another comment about third-party exclusives

@Sekijo Example Insomniac has 900 developers that’s why they’re working on two games at once Spider-Man and wolverine

@Sekijo but developers matter more than studios because if I have more developers, I can produce games faster while still keeping the quality of a AAA title

@Sekijo as far as third-party studios go. Sony can pay for exclusives and still get money in return.

Microsoft hast to pay more for third-party exclusives and loses money, because they don’t have the consumers to make up the cost.

That’s why I under Phil Spencer they haven’t been doing exclusives like that anymore.

@Sekijo we said developers, not studios.

@Sekijo @Fiendish-Beaver fiendish you are correct.

Also, think about this, the last call of duty took 15 studios to make, the previous Call of Duty took 13.

Microsoft has three studios under 50 developers.

One of Sony‘s studios has 4000 developers - XDev. Insomniac, Bungie, and one other have around 900 developers each. Naughty dog I think has around 800.

@Sekijo I’ve committed a lot. Which part are you referring to?

@Somebody know I agree with you. I don’t think the halo games are bad but to others it’s awful.

Even though the game is getting somewhere between an eight out of 10 rating on average

Forza horizon five got nines and tens and tens, and still couldn’t bring consumers over.

That’s another reason I think that Microsoft is resorting to buying popular eye peas, and to be honest with you it makes sense

@CreepingShadow how when the game that is being bought or help funded to be exclusive, is keeping it from another competitor?

It’s the same thing.

It cost Sony a lot less with other publishers to make a game exclusive, then it does Microsoft and the difference is is Microsoft actually loses money because they don’t have the consumers to balance it out

@GKT when bungie left, Microsoft handed Halo over to 343 industries, and if you look at their track record, they only have a history of building maps for other games.

@Sekijo and if Sony would stop buying third-party exclusives

@AhmadSumadi the fire lit under Sony is talking about their first party IP’s. You guys keep looking at the third-party, we get it they got a massive third-party exclusives that’s why we’re all OK with Xbox buying companies. Sony needs to quit buying third-party exclusives and let it remain multiplatform. Microsoft well quit buying companies, and like you said work on your IPs. Sony isn’t even releasing their ips. Where’s the new Socom, Twisted Metal, Resistance, Killzone, Factions, All-Stars, Warhawk-Starwawk, and many many others?

I love how everyone’s OK with Spider-Man going exclusive, when Spider-Man has been multi-platform for years.

Microsoft has flat out said why they didn’t buy Spider-Man.

@Friendly @AhmadSumadi friendly I agree with you.

Ahmad I agree with you. I agree with your statement, but what’s different from what sony is doing then Microsoft?

The end of the day, buying an exclusive for a cheaper price versus what Microsoft would have the option to (pointed out by a bunch of publishers) then buying a publisher isn’t much different. At the end of the day you’re getting exclusives. Sony’s been doing it for decades.

@MasterVGuides the only reason I disagreed with this is because other companies are still growing and Microsoft isn’t being successful and Microsoft has a history of selling stuff that isn’t successful even though it’s still making profit, just not enough, that’s why they’re $1 trillion company.

Microsoft has made quality games first party games, but it still hasn’t pushed people over there console because people aren’t willing to spend a bunch of money on the console when they’re already used to their titles from their other console that they already own.

So you buy some eye peas that people love you can hopefully draw people over to your console. It makes perfect sense. If the others want to remain the market leader, it pushes them to be better. I love competition.

@Kraven this is the first thing said that I agree with 100%.

But I still think the merger is good, because hopefully a lot of you have been following Sony and Microsoft for years now and not just the last two.

Sony was literally pushing for games to be the standard price of 80 bucks, they announced within a year that the PS five was already making profit from it but yet put in cheaper heat sex and then a few months later put any more cheaper heat sink in. Sony’s PS 5 Was way weaker than the Xbox series X but Sony got a dev kit of Xbox Series consoles for MLB the show, Realize the PlayStation was a lot weaker and didn’t even have an SSD drive in it had to upgrade.

Real competition helps push that two. If you guys did the research that I’ve done on the size of studios, how many developers you need to make quality games, how many first party exclusives came out, do you find that the PS4 was really lacking

@MasterVGuides let me ask you something, do you really think that Microsoft purchasing Activision puts them in the number one spot in any of the gaming categories?

I still think Sony will be the market leader in consoles, valve market leader in PC, mobile will still be Apple or google.

All this does is push everybody to try harder to stay in the lead. Which means more better quality, quantity, and cheaper priced for consumer games

@MasterVGuides but you failed to see they were doing this before Microsoft even started doing it. Half of you probably don’t even know who Tencent is but if you get a chance look up tTencent and see how much they actually own they’re actually in discussion with logitech to release their own console.

Amazon was already purchasing studios. even have their own app for their games.

Netflix is purchasing developers.

So is Apple and Disney. There’s even rumors of these two buying EA.

@get2sammyb @StrawberryTurtle this is not a monopoly, and this does not hurt PlayStation. Even Jim Ryan agrees this doesn’t hurt PlayStation. The only thing Jim Ryan is upset about is they lose the billion dollar income from Call of Duty. But even in the court video, he even says they’ll be fine matter fact I’m pretty sure PushSquare released an article of Jim Ryan saying that they’re even stronger than Microsoft and Nintendo combined with this merger which if you think about it he ain’t lying. I’m just hoping this light a fire under PlayStation.

@get2sammyb see you’re spinning lack of knowledge, because those studios have doubled in size since the PS3 era naughty dog used to be around 300 developers there now up to if I remember correctly 600 developers. Insomniac studios was 400 there now at 800.

Microsoft Studios, which were just recently purchased one of the Bethesda studios has 12 people in it. Collusion games has 127 developers. One of Their biggest studios which is 343 industries has around 300 developers, so does the coalition.

@StrawberryTurtle are you including third-party? Because their first party was really lacking. It was also the first time they never brought out a twisted metal or socom. They also had a number of other IP’s that never came out.

During the PS3 naughty dog released 4 games
During the PS4 naughty dog released 2 games and a remaster.

@StrawberryTurtle I own a PS5. I’ve owned every PS.

PS4 was by far the worst, because there was no competition. I actually believe this is good. I’m hoping that this will light a fire under Sony PlayStation.

I don’t know why y’all are upset. Use your phone, buy a switch, PC, streaming devices, smart TV, and or steamdeck you can use gamepass to play these games.

Microsoft is really getting games to more gamers

@Kanji-Tatsumi they are about to with their new studios. lol

Sounds like it ended up better anyway. If Sony would’ve got it, it only would’ve been on PlayStation. But because Microsoft bought it, it’s on Xbox PC and you can stream it to your mobile devices, plus Steamdeck

@naruball if Sony can’t afford it, that’s not Microsoft’s fault. You for real?

If the merger goes through, who has more developers? Not studios, developers.

Answer, SONY!!!! By a lot. That can make AAA games so much faster. Look up the size of each studio. From scratch it takes 400 developers to make a AAA title in 2 years

@naruball it’s not because Sony can do it too. They actually do have the money.

Only difference is Zanimax and Activision is an American company, they wanted to sell to another American company to stay American, Microsoft is the only company willing to give them what they want, that was American

@RonLonDonSwan you do know Sony buys studios to right? With already existing IP‘s. Why is it OK for one company to do it and not the other?

I’m pro for this Merger. Competition is good. Sony needs to be shaken.

@RonLonDonSwan and they are. That’s why elder scrolls six is going to be exclusive.

@RonLonDonSwan you’re forgetting some thing, Sony was already making games for NES