There’s been plenty of discussion about whether The Last of Us: Part I, the upcoming remake of Naughty Dog’s seminal survival horror, is necessary. This discussion perhaps hasn’t been helped by side-by-side comparisons of the PS3 original’s pre-rendered cut-scenes against the PS5 version’s realtime cinematics. We’re yet to see gameplay, of course, which is where the true differences will emerge.
But cinematic animator Robert Morrison – who contributed to the project and has since moved to Sony Bend – has refuted claims that the game is just a “cash grab”. He said: “Actually it’s the most meticulously built and crafted project that I have ever seen or been a part of in my entire career. The highest level of care and attention to detail possible.” Morrison has worked on games like God of War, Injustice 2, and Resident Evil 7: Biohazard, so that’s high praise.
Naughty Dog will need to pull back the curtain a little more on this project over the coming weeks, as the game’s due out on 2nd September and we still need to see how the gameplay will compare. Fortunately, we expect Sony’s marketing machine to enter overdrive in the coming weeks – it should be an exciting couple of months for The Last of Us fans.
Whilst I’m sure a great deal of effort has gone into this, there is such a thing as diminishing returns. Especially when the first game is still so easily accessible for a fraction of the price. In a world where the resident evil remakes exist, stuff like this just seems so cynical.
I never thought it was a cash grab. I think it's a unnecessary vanity project...
Of course they’re praising it. They’re hardly going to say it’s naff, or a cash-grab.
I will be playing it - because I love the first game - but I don’t think it’s necessary at all. Especially when the PS4 remaster is already so good.
I won’t be paying £70 for it though. Not a chance.
Not for me this one, doesn't feel like long enough has gone by since the first release and subsequent remaster to warrant it (although GTA V says hi I suppose).
I had to stopped the second one as it felt like a drag and whilst I enjoyed the first installment first time around, I've no real urge to revisit that particular gaming universe.
@GagaOooLaLa I've not followed any news about this other than I know it's happening, is it really £70?!
Christ, that certainly screams cash grab to me.
Its 70 quid for a game that came out in 2013 and got a remaster in 2014. It's a cash grab
He is certainly free to have that opinion. I never doubted there would be great effort put in by the team working on it. Heck if anything that just makes it feel worse. They are putting in so much effort on a project that I couldn't be any less interested in. It can still feel like a cash grab even though a great deal of effort was put into it.
I hope people who pick it up have a great time with it. I have no ill will towards the team making the game or customers interested in it. I just personally wish the team would have put all their efforts towards something more interesting is all. Naughty Dog games don't come around very often so to see them retread familiar ground is just disappointing.
An opportunity taken is an opportunity lost. I would have preferred an opportunity that was lost in this case.
I personally don't think the first looks or plays as good as some seem to think (even the remaster) so I'm looking forward to playing this back to back with part 2. Still don't love the $70 price tag but eh, it is what it is.
Edit: Also feel the need to point out this is the first time we'll be able to play as Joel with TLoU2-style gameplay mechanics. And I'm fairly stoked about that.
Vanity project,cash grab,waste of time and talent,f..k of mr.animato...
$ONY is F.U.B.A.R
@Resi32 Remastered came out in 2014.
@MetalGear_Yoshi put your hate for ND aside and educate yourself. They didn’t start or want to do this it was VASG that did until they couldn’t handle it so Sony took it away from them and handed it to ND who took the opportunity to not lay people off and familiarize themselves with the ps5
@Dudditz09 maybe learn the definition of cashgrab before accusing something of being that
I think diminishing returns is a good way to put this. I can't see the gameplay meaningfully overhauled either.
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@Korgon but see this didn’t take away from anything else at all
@Radekbejbl1 real mature smh
@dark_knightmare2 if you're working on the game and are upset by my comments then I can only apologies.
Otherwise, settle down eh?
@tameshiyaku it’s supposed to have tlou part 2 gameplay so absolutely that would be meaningfully overhauled
@Dudditz09 lol I’m not working on the game I just can’t stand people whining and spreading misinformation it’s tiring
Oh! Someone on the project said it’s not a cash grab. That must make it true! 🙄🤦🏽 Don’t believe everything you read on the internet, folks…… 😉😉
It were the people at SIE who showed us a trailer which was an invitation for comparisons with pre-rendered PS3 footage. While not showing 60 fps gameplay with non-cutscene face close-ups? Bad marketing!
@dark_knightmare2 I've not spread misinformation, I've said it seems like a cash grab to me.
That would be an opinion, my opinion. Not a whinge.
Maybe learn the definition of misinformation before you throw a hissy fit at people
@Dudditz09 yes it is £70 - that’s the most unsavoury aspect of the whole thing. They may have put a lot of work into it but they didn’t have the usual costs of developing a new game - the expense of writing an original story, recording new voice actors, designing the character models or level design. Absolutely should not be a full price game.
We’ll have to wait to see if they make any George Lucas style changes to the story (making Joel more unpleasant, making the Fireflies less sinister) so the story choices in the second game makes more sense.
No dev/publisher is ever going to admit that whatever project they are working on is a 'cynical' cash grab. Its not always about the amount of 'work' or 'care' they are putting in either, there is other factors too. Its still likely to be 'cheaper' to remake something and get it out on to market at 'Maximum' price to maximise 'profits' over anything else that makes this a Cash Grab.
Its not a 'budget' title, its more expensive than the Original and its subsequent 'remaster' when the 'majority' of work was originally done. Given it a bit of a 'graphical' facelift is not the same as writing a story, scripting it, getting voice actors in, designing characters and the environment etc etc. If they still have a lot of the 'High' quality assets, especially as a lot were probably used for its sequel - its a lot quicker and cheaper.
If they weren't charging £70 or offering a 'free' update to the PS4 remaster, then I'd be more inclined to believe its not a Cash Grab. Its not a 'massive' budget game anymore as the 'bulk' of it was paid for 10yrs ago and recuperated by PS3 sales. PS4 may well of incurred 'some' cost to port and repackage, but nowhere near the 'budget' of making a game from scratch - so sales just boosted Profits of LoU significantly and now they are investing a 'small' amount in remastering (comparatively to making a new game from scratch) yet charging as much as a brand new premium AAA budget game and claiming its not a 'cash grab?'
Its not as blatant as just porting the game over and tweaking a few settings (higher visual settings and/or frame rate caps) as they are doing more 'visual' enhancements, but its similar in principal!!
I'd rather a Bloodborne Remake.
@Max_the_German to be fair they have released quite a few screenshots since that show a massive difference but I agree the trailer wasn’t the smartest move
@Dudditz09 that’s fine if it’s your opinion but that doesn’t change the fact it isn’t a cash grab regardless of using the cop out of saying it seems. Instead do some research on the game then form an opinion
@GagaOooLaLa they’ve already said there’s going to be no story changes and how would making Joel more sinister or the fireflies less sinister make part 2 story make more sense when nothing in part two contradicts those things
@Resi32 The PS3 original came out in 2013. The PS4 remaster came out in 2014. The last of Us 2 came out in 2020.
Although I probably won't buy it at full price I will probably wait until it comes down in price. I have a sneaking suspicion that PS Premium members may get a discount or even luckier it be made free. Who knows at this point and we will have to wait and see. I am more looking forward to the multiplayer, 'Factions 2'.
Skipping this one and going to be annoyed by all the publications that put this one in GotY talks unless something was radically changed. If this is just an overhaul, I still believe ND would be meticulous with it and would craft it well, of course. However, if it’s just a prettier version of the same game with some minor tweaks, I really don’t want to encourage that for the gaming industry. It’s a slippery slope.
It’s definitely a cash grab.
Will wait until it’s massively reduced. Something tells me the price will fall pretty quickly after it’s released anyway.
damn, pushsquare really is full of whiney people.
improved gameplay, better graphics, completely redone models...but it's not 5 bucks as the remaster so ***** off Naughty Dog.
will you all call Resi 4 a cashgrab too when it comes out next year? I mean it will only have a better graphics and new controls after all
He got it wrong, it’s not JUST a cash grab. It’s also unnecessary too. Make new games
Actually it did. The team could have worked on literally anything else but instead chose to work on this. That's where the saying "An opportunity taken is an opportunity lost" comes from. Because they are working on this, the team working on it can't work on something else.
Make something new similar to Uncharted Lost Legacy and I would have been interested. I own the Ellie Edition on Ps3 and remaster on Ps4 Im not buying again. I hope it sells poorly so developers make new things
@zupertramp agreed, I tried to play it again recently. And tbh, it's incredibly janky to play. Just like the old uncharted games, I don't think it's aged particularly well.
If you don't want it you won't get it.
If you do want it, you'll probably get it.
Luckily, we live in a capitalist society so everyone can vote with their wallets. Unless you're a share holder or on the board, Naughty Dog can do what they like.
People can call it what they like (Cash grab, waste of time, blah blah blah). You might as well be screaming into a void by moaning and posting whiny comments on the internet about it.
@Korgon no it’s not on restera from developers both at ND and other companies have said time and time again that this didn’t take work away from any other game. They are still toiling away on factions 2 and another game in pre production that they aren’t ready to announce yet
@kejsi-sensei Resident Evil 4 came out in 2005 bit of difference. Like others have said its up to the consumers what they want to play
@zupertramp 2014 then. Point still stands.
Part 2 came out in 2019 knew it was one of them. Again, its still a cash grab
I know it didn't take away from any other game in development. That's not the point I'm trying to make. What it did take away from is any other game that the people working on this could have been working on instead. It could have been a new IP, a remake of something else that would have made more sense to remake, a sequel etc. Instead they chose TLOU1...again...and that is just disappointing to me is all.
I'll play it on PS Plus Premium next year some time.
£70 for a pumped up PS3 game is absolutely a cash grab. I don't care how much "effort" has gone into improving the resolution, textures and character models. No new content means it's basically the same game I bought 9 years ago.
I did not enjoy the first game..never tried the 2nd game..i'm not really sure what it is that i dont like as its got a good story,voice acting and the graphics are good but its just soooo damn boring..i know we have had the uncharted games remastered but i would love for them to be rebuilt from the ground up..wont happen though as i think the last of us are more in vogue with gamers today..
It would be such a Sony thing if the main feature of this “remake” was precisely that the cut scenes are no longer pre-rendered but real time. “Now we more real time movie watching!”
Definitely a cash grab. But I wasn't planning to buy it regardless of pricing. It’s just sad ND is wasting their incredible talent and resources on yet another remaster/remake.
Meticulously crafted or not, WHO CARES. What matters is the gameplay, what matters is are there any new mechanics? Is there any new gameplay sequences? Expanded sequences? You know the things a remake should be adding.
@zupertramp this is my thoughts. I can’t wait to play them both back to back on my PS5
If you don't want it, don't buy it. You have no say as to what ND should or shouldn't work on. Most of you have already expressed your 'criticism' regarding this game across at least 3 or 4 articles. Deal with it already and move on.
Does it really matter either way? If people buy it, it means they wanted it. There's always people who are discovering games for the first time due to this mysterious thing called aging 😅 and gamers like me who have never played it that are more likely to play this on PS5 than PS3 or PS4
As for gameplay, have they not already said it's using the gameplay mechanics from 2?
The only real issue is if it delays new games or new ip's being made, I suppose.
@Dudditz09 didn’t you know? “Misinformation” not praising absolutely everything Sony does.
@gollumb82 exactly 😅 it will probably still top gaming charts too, meaning there is demand for it 👀
Can’t wait!!! Going to do another play through of part 1&2 which fits nicely before the GotY is released on 11/9/22!!! I didn’t forget about you Horizon FW!!! You’ll be a CLOSE 2nd!!!
Well at least with back compat there'll be options to play the game...Kinda like Gears 1 vs Gears Ultimate
Cash grab, which I might buy
@Tharsman yeah clearly. Must apologise for my stance.
Just wait until the masses of die hards find out I don't like Horizon or GoW.
Can it not be both?
I can't help but think back to the Ratchet and Clank remake for PS4 back in 2016. A game built from the ground up as a remake, not just new visuals but all new gameplay as well! Sony back then released this game as a budget title with a lower price point than their other new games.
Sony has since then, sadly, changed. The LoU Part 1 is most definitely a cash grab. Sony's past positive actions prove why.
Obviously a lot of time and effort has been put into this project, so it shouldn't be free or $20 or anything like that. But $70 is a bit much for a game whose story we know very well already and apparently won't have any new content besides remade graphics. I think think $50 is a more fair price for a game that most people have played through several times already
I see it as great training for the Naughty Dog staff, learning goes into other projects. Friend who came from Xbox, this will be their first time playing it. No one's making me buy it, but I probably will 🤣
The original game is available on PS4 and PS5. So this new version isn't about availability or people who never played the original.
I've seen average people struggle to tell which shot is the new version and which is the old. So it's not about graphics.
The original story is highly regarded, so I doubt it's about fixing that.
The game is only from 2013. I know games twice that age that hold up incredibly well with their gamrplay, so I wouldn't argue it was that.
And if it was about getting to know the PS5 architecture, well a free TLOU2 upgrade is right there, and doesn't charge people £70 for the tech demo.
Remasters should be used to keep a game alive. Remakes should be used to fix things that were broken. And under no circumstances should a 9 year old game need both.
The real reason is that they are maximising that £70 price tag against the upcoming TV show, and hardcore consumers. It's a cash grab.
@Resi32 no worries. Actually considered the possibility that was just a typo. In any case, not out to invalidate your opinion. It's not entirely unfair. But I do think people are dismissing the technological progress made in the time between 2013 to 2014 vs 2014 to 2022.
@pyrrhic_victory yeah I really think $49.99 would have been the sweet spot. Low enough that even some doubters might be swayed to give it another go but not dirt cheap like the recent GTA upgrade.
If my answer to the question "is it necessary?", is a big fat NO, then it's a cash grab in my eyes, period.
@Richnj "I've seen average people struggle to tell which shot is the new version and which is the old. So it's not about graphics."
Really? I mean they seem night and day to me and I don't even have a great eye for this stuff. To the point that Ray Tracing is completely lost on me. Even Ellie's character model looks less "young Elliot Page" and more "young TLoU 2 Ellie".
Fair point on the TLOU 2 PS5 upgrade though. That could easily serve as a way to familiarize the team with the architecture as well. Far more requests for that in any case.
@RudeAnimat0r no you have to pick a side and fight to the death defending it lol.
Seriously though you're probably on to something there.
Drop the price and include a free upgrade for Part 2 on PS5 and I might be more interested but otherwise I can’t but think Naughty Dog need to move on and stop milking past glories …
I absolutely adore The Last of Us. With that said, the Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Remake, that Naughty Dog were reportedly working on, would have been better time and money spent IMO. That is a game that desperately needs a face lift much more than the TLOU Remastered, with it's dated controls and visuals, especially compared to the franchise's many sequels.
It's still like a 5 year old game i already played that didn't really need one. It's totally a cash grab. But, not mine.
I don't care at the moment that this remake is only 8 years after the remastered version. Regardless if the remaster was 20 years ago or only 5 years ago, makes no difference to me. I'm waiting till I've actually seen a ton of proper gameplay or actually played it for myself first before jumping on a cash grab bandwagon. I enjoyed part 2 so much because they put that brutal world first in the writing and not turn it into a super hero movie where all the goodies live and every single baddie dies, doesn't make sense in such a brutal world of TLoU. Its a miracle Ellie and Joel lasted a few hours in part 1 never mind a couple days considering the journey they went on
So the PS4 version was the cash grab and this one isn't. On the other hand this isn't a completely new game so why does it still cost as much as a new game...
im a big last of us fan il shall get my disc day 1 🤦 sony knows how to get money out of me 🤣
Think we really need a poll on this, come
on Sammy put up a poll, that will settle this 😂
As an example. For a game that was on PS3 and now coming to PS5, it shouldn't even be in question. I don't remember people being confused about the Demon's Souls remake. There are shots, like the clicker, where it's easy to see, but then shots, especially those including Ellie and Joel, where it's not obvious. Maybe if you have good knowledge of tech or the original game. If you are just the average gamer, you can't tell.
@Dudditz09 agreed, a poll is the only way to settle this. @get2sammyb
@Richnj yeah, I mean, it wasn't so much that I didn't believe you. Just surprised. It looks so obviously different to me but then I've played it soo many times I suppose I can't count myself among the average gamer sample.
In the end I'm okay with "painstakingly crafted cash grab" lol.
The only way I could have been tempted with this game is if it included the original multiplayer or if it was 20$ or less. We know why that didn’t happen. I hope they lose their ass on this to deter future projects like it. I don’t mind remasters or remakes, but applying that to games less than ten years old is some BS.
It's definitely a cash grab 70 is just to much for a game that is still recently new its not like it's a remake of a 20 year old game. The ps4 one is just fine.
No reason it can't be both.
@Nem yeah I'm not buying this one either
@gollumb82 You commenting, on other people commenting, on an article you don't care about is even weirder than those people initially commenting.
The last of us remastered looks and handles like trash compared to the sequel. This is needed and it keeps devs in work. Day 1 for me.
@zupertramp Is this game worth £70/$70? Does the work they've put into this deserve that price? If not, it's a cash grab.
@SplooshDmg It is a cash grab by your own definition. You're not willing to pay $70 because it isn't worth it. I agree. Charging full price for something that doesn't warrant it = Cash grab.
I'm quite pleased about this remake and I'll definitely get it. The gameplay and mechanics from the original are pretty atrocious, so it'll be really good to play through the game and immerse in the story again while being able to actually enjoy playing it. The upgraded graphics just adds that extra little bonus.
As for it being "unnecessary": sure I'd find it hard to disagree. But only because I can't think of a single "necessary" game. We don't need any game to be released. We simply want games to be released because we enjoy them.
Uh, that's a miss. My comment actually suggests I do care about the way other people keep moaning about something that is an optional purchase.
@__jamiie I'm not entirely convinced any game is worth $70 but there's the world as I'd like it to be and then there's the one I actually live in. And I don't mean that in standoffish way. That's just kinda my general outlook, especially as of late.
Reading all these comments it feels like I've missed a demo of this remake or I've missed a 10 min pure gameplay vid for it somewhere. Funny this is. I also have a wallet but I never buy my footwear online, I've always liked to try them on feet first or at least see them in real time physically with my own two eyeballs before purchasing
So what are these massive gameplay improvements everyone is always banging on about? Other than the accessibility options I don't recall any significant differences between parts 1 and 2.
@gollumb82 Yes. That's exactly what I was saying! Why do you care about other people complaining about the full price nature/cash grab that this game is???
If you're happy with the price and content, why would you care if others aren't??? Surely you'd just put you pre-order in, be happy and do something more interesting with your life???
But to decide to tell people that they aren't allowed to complain about something you're absolutely fine with just seems odd.
"That's a miss" 😂😂😂
Ummm come the 2nd September it'll be really interesting how lou on ps5 turns out,we will probably hear more news about it between now and then,what will be of interest as other people have mentioned is whether its worth full 70quid or not ,personally I was hoping it would be more like 40-50 quid mind you that might be a gamers perspective on price certainly mine anyway but if then there's been loads and loads of fantastic work put into lou ps5 as no doubt there has I'll just be really pleased if there's something new in the game not in the older versions that really warrant the 70 pound price,although I'll reserve judgement on it until more is known nearer the 2nd Sept, if its very very simular to lou part2 in mechanics ,movement and obviously a big graphical over hall ,then I can really see the ps5 version being very very good with gd dualsense support,faster loading etc etc but proof will be in the pudding for certain, I really hope it's worth 70 pounds as if that's the case then we have a great remake on our hands ,it'll be very interesting
@zupertramp That's fine. So do you think this game is worth $70 given the way the world is now?
I'll be getting it as I'm a fan, although I would rather have news on Factions 2
ps4 pro patch 4k HDR 2016
4 versions of the same game in less than a decade
I'd have personally preferred to have had the original drakes trilogy redone on ps5 as lou has been done 2-3 times already ,that's the only thing that bothers me really unless of course there's something we don't know yet ,I'm not having a dig at nd as they have made some absolutely fantastic games but just get a sense of de ja vu ,I really hope we as gamers are left with big smiles on our faces come the 2nd Sept.as I have no idea how game development works so great that nd are doing it anyway and fingers crossed it'll be ,fantastic remake as we can't change it
You're right! I do have better things to do than to keep replying to someone who jumped on the hate bandwagon and is unhappy that someone has the audacity to think otherwise. Also, someone who feels compelled to reply and argue with so many others guys as well, yet you're lecturing me on how I should spend my time...Welcome to the 'ignore'party pal!
I'm in the cash grab camp. They're updating the graphics and gameplay so they can release later on PC.
The Last of Us on PS5? Completed it, mate.
I didn't really like The Last of Us. I found it slow and tedious and really just wanted it to end by about halfway through the campaign. The story was good but definitely didn't make up for the slog of trying to complete the game.
Its a cash grab. Their are so many other games that could have been remade.
I'm sure it is so. And may be hard to resist but it must be done; for the sake of discouraging remake / remaster culture in place of new projects and they've only done both with the same title in relatively no time at all.
@RiceC03 Not on PC though and this version may have been a good way to offer it to PC players and provide an update to PS5 players. I want it on PC so I cannot wait and its been years and years since I played the first so I am 100% down.
@__jamiie I'm actually in a weird position where I've never actually paid for this game so the $70 isn't a deal killer. Also helps that I don't have any other Day 1 games planned for the year outside of maybe The Callisto Protocol, which may or may not even be out this year.
But its worth will undoubtedly differ from one person to the next.
@Tharsman except that’s not the only upgrade far from it
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@lets_do-this_1999 tlou has been done exactly one time before and it was simple remaster seven months into the ps4 life
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@__jamiie that is absolutely not the definition of a cash grab
Yikes talk about spam!
@Tielo why do movies that get released on every new format or a few times during the same format generation cost full price because that’s what enough people will pay so that’s what it is
@PeakUnagi they were never working on that that once again was a game VASG was considering doing but it would be too much work and not as cost effective so they settled on tlou then proceeded to screw it up to the point Sony took it from them and brought it in house to ND
While I don’t agree with the £70 price tag I don’t mind a remake of a game I have played more than 20 times I’m all to happy to play a better playing and looking version, is it needed maybe not for us but remakes, remasters or ports of a game they know well on new hardware can help ease the developers into making new projects now there more familiar with the new hardware capabilities and since they have a stand-alone online last of us games and a new title in development making a remaster of uncharted and remake of last of us has probably helped.
@dark_knightmare2 there really isn't that much of a difference between the two, but I'd be happy to have less crafting. Who thought that was fun? In any case, it'll be on psplus extra eventually and I'll have fun playing a great game with marginal improvements again.
I’d MUCH rather have Factions 2 right now. Not a damn remake/remaster
This feels like how George Lucas kept tinkering with the original Star Wars until he killed it.
@dark_knightmare2 Planning out a game is still work but I should've been more specific. I meant that they should've went ahead with that game, despite the immense expenses that were reported on. After all, it's not as if Sony couldn't afford it.
As I stated above I'm in the both camp. I don't think redoing the game again now is really a great use of Naughty Dog's time. It's a great game I adore, but I played Remastered last year and it might feel like a PS3 game but it doesn't look like one. I'm sure Part One will be an improvement but I just can't see this as more a capitalization on Part Two's success and the impending HBO show.
With all that said I could see myself playing it at the end of the PS5 lifecycle, once it's $20 or free with Plus.
@Ambassador_Kong that would make sense if ND were adding or changing things in the story but they aren’t so the comparison doesn’t work
@Bloodklot that wouldn’t have came out this year regardless of if this was being made or not
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@dark_knightmare2 I have the platinum in both games. I'm guessing you didn't play one of them if you think they're wildly different.
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@darkknightmare ,yes yr right once before has it been done for ps4 ,and brilliantly done as well it was,let's hope the ps5 version is stellar
@SplooshDmg Cash grab suggests nothing about the quality of the product. If anything, something that's a cash grab infers that it's a good quality product otherwise it wouldn't be able to grab cash. GTA V on PS5 is a cash grab. Rockstar will claim that they've put tons of effort into it and yet, it's a cash grab.
This game has less features than a game that didn't need remastering. What part of that makes you want to pay $70/£70???
@SplooshDmg you should check the definition of cash grab online
@__jamiie exactly. A product can be or any level of quality and still be a cash grab
@Playstationuser Thank you!
@SplooshDmg Thanks for that. I love it when people feel the need to justify themselves with a standard dictionary definition.
So is GTA V on PS5 a cash grab? Most people think so yet I guarantee Rockstar would say they've put love and care into it.
Also, "love" and "care" aren't actual quantifiable things. What's the ratio of love versus care involved in this game???
If Naughty Dog remade this game again in a year's time with the same "love" and "care", would it be worth it? If they remade the game every year with the same "love" and "care" and their standard quality, would it be worth it?
Do you genuinely think that this game is worth 70 of any currency because you feel that it has "love" and "care" and therefore that makes it not a cash grab???
Are any video games necessary? Isn’t our entire world economic system based on grabbing cash and using it to grab more cash? Aren’t almost all things produced with the intention of making a profit? Do people really expect corporations to do what is necessary? Has necessity become a purely subjective concept?
I dunno but I can’t wait to play this.
Lol!! Guy doing the animations saying he's working hard.
I have decided that I will get this day one
Robert Morrison also said this, fwiw:
"The price of the game is out of my control and worth is subjective to each individual. You can decide for yourself if you want it or not. All I’m saying is I am in awe of the work that an amazing group of people did on the project. A tremendous amount of passion was put into it."
It's a meticulously made cash grab. The result of years of remake begging and "nostalgia" from the gaming community.
@SplooshDmg Yes, words do mean something. Which is why your poor grammar annoys me.
Yes Naughty Dog employees are well capable of making games well worth playing. And they did. On PS3. And then again on PS4. And now again, again. On PS5. But with less features and for much more money! Awesome! It's developer greed at its worst. What part of that don't you understand???
A slightly shinier, faster loading game that most people have played to death BUT, you have the amazing privilege of paying the same as a brand new first party title.
You still haven't answered the question of whether you'll be paying 70 something for this?
Well Someone that worked on the game isn't going to say 'yeah this is just a cash grab' are they lol
@stefan771 literally no one was begging for a remake of this it's not even 10 years old & it's already playable on modern consoles
This is necessary because I want to play it. I don't care if people think the remastered PS4 version looks good enough, this will be better. I want all classic games like this to get this type of treatment. The only issue would be if you can no longer play any previous version released and were forced to buy this version. That is not the case and you are not forced to buy this version.
@blkmagic316 but do you think it justifies the £70 price tag? If this was £45-50, I don’t think people would mind as much.
Got a good feeling about GTA remasters not doing well and this one having bad press and probably not doing well until on sale/given in PS Plus.
It probably means overtime we’ll see less of these stunts as people want some new IP or sequels more so now, especially with games being more expensive.
N.i.c.e. i will play this masterpiece again.but dead space and the callisto protocol got my attentions.word up son
@BritneyfR_ee No, I don't think it justifies the price tag. If that is the issue people have, then that's the issue. Not justifying its existence because someone doesn't believe it's necessary, is a separate issue people are bringing up. If the existence of this version of the game bothers you so much and it is not about the price tag and you do not have to buy it, then you have issues.
It's a cash grab with no purpose, the 1st one was and still is better then the 2nd so why would I care if it now looks and plays like the 2nd one?
The cynic in me is thinking they did this to fill up the first party PS5 games. The problem for me is that the 1st game will now look and run better than the 2nd. £70 for this plus a spruced up part 2 and the multiplayer would have pulled me in. The cynic returns though and reckons it will be £70 for the multiplayer when that comes out and then a £70 remaster of part 2 to really clear those last few pennies out of the few fans they have left at that point.
Crazy really that it feels to us that 10 years isn't long enough. That is a long time. Certainly, as far as video games go, long enough on paper to justify a remake.
I guess last of us has never left the gaming worlds consciousness though, so it doesn't feel like a return to us.
Though I thought it was somewhat unnecessary, it’s nice to hear it’s getting NDs special attention to detail. Like FROM software they are one studio that’s never compromised my trust in their effort.
Not sure I’m motivated to fork out $$ for a game I’ve recently played however. Awesome for the folks who haven’t played it though! Can’t say I’m not interested.
They are doing a graphical overhaul of the game with no other changes. Essentially a new coat of paint on an existing game and engine. They are bringing in combat aspects from part 2 that have already been developed so nothing new. Charging 70 bucks for fancier graphics is a big ask. But they know some people are obsessed with this game and will pay anything.
I'm also betting these assets will be used in something else in the future.
@Synthatron_Prime I think that's quite reductive. In order to utilise the new mechanics the original combat encounters will need to be redesigned.
I get maybe not being keen on the project, but let's not handwave the serious work that's gone into this.
@Subsided Nonsense. You may not like the story of the second game — I disagree — but the original does not play better than the second game.
The Last of Us 2 is arguably the best third-person shooter in terms of pure gameplay mechanics out there.
@dark_knightmare2 Joel was perfectly justified in taking the action he did at the end of the first game. The Fireflies were sick and evil, experimenting on kids (fatally) without their knowledge. And we’re meant to feel bad for Abby in the second game… Swap the fireflies for Nazi scientists - would you feel bad for the daughter of a Nazi scientist who experimented on kids in the Second World War? I sure wouldn’t. Joel deserved better.
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@GagaOooLaLa it's probably been said by others before, but the last of us refuses to let you progress if you don't kill the cowering scientists. I remember that annoying me at the time.
@get2sammyb I see your point but it's still existing assets they are playing with. We'll have to wait till the final product to see if they actually make changes to the encounters. Remember Metal Gear Twin Snakes? They added MGS 2 abilities which broke the game because they didn't balance around it. Hopefully not the same here.
I'll buy this when it's $20 because I don't think it's worth $70 which is my choice as a consumer. Others will make a different choice and that's good. Each to their own. I'm honestly not a huge fan of these to begin with.
Very much looking forward to the September release, and revisiting one of the best games ever made and seeing the enhancements from the original.
"literally no one was begging for a remake of this"
Not yet but it's inevitable that it would happen. These developers don't care about the specifics, they just see a community obsessed with re-buying old games and they go from there.
@stefan771 theres plenty of games I'd love a remake / remaster of but only because they aren't playable on modern consoles & getting out the PS3 / PS2 etc isn't very convenient
So many people, so passionate about the last of us part 1.
@Balosi nah, you just gotta kill the one doctor.
From my understanding the story is completely unchanged, there is absolutely no new content, level designs are remaining exactly as they were, and even the voicework is remaining identical. While it's likely true this remake took a lot of work to rebuild the game in the sequel's engine, what is really boils down to is that this is a remaster with extra steps. And one of a game that absolutely nobody was asking for another remaster of, since the last remaster did such a good job of updating the original. So while the people working on it may not consider this a cash grab, because they're working hard on it, the fact is that this isn't really offering anything significantly new that isn't already available for $20 (less during a sale). Charging $50 more for the same experience sure sounds like a cash grab to me.
Look at Persona 5 Royal or Resident Evil 2, those were remade/re-released and added a lot of stuff that made the price tag justified. Or Final Fantasy VII Remake. But all you’re getting here is tweaked gameplay with prettier graphics. No added content or story changes. Now tell me again why $70 is justified.
This is a remaster of a remaster, of course it's a crash grab 😂, nd know nobody will buy tlou 3 after the hot mess that is the second game, so all they can do to the franchise is either remaster the first one or make a multiplayer game of it.
If the story is the same and the game is the same then it's just a cash grab. The graphics were already good enough, they didn't need a Next Generation spit shine.
You are full of it, the second game is far beyond awesome. Go play some "and everyone lived happily ever after" game, and have a pacifier.
sounds like sony is seeing a lot of negativity about this remake and is doing damage control. i don't think it is going to work to change the narrative, though. people are generally showing fatigue with regards to remasters/remakes and certainly don't want to see ps3 era games get this sort of treatment, as there are older classics more deserving of a graphical upgrade. oh, and they were just asking for it with the price point. come on now.
@Akurusu i have to disagree with your assessment of p5 royal — certainly it was NOT justified. there should have been an upgrade path for those with the base version of the game. that was one of the most outrageous business decisions from last gen in my opinion. i like atlus' work, but i hate its business patterns and will never buy its games at launch now that i know its sly ways of exploiting the fanbase.
although, i agree with you about this last of us remake!
@Porco that’s totally fair bro. I thought it was like DLC because they overhauled the original to the point that I can’t go back and play vanilla Persona 5 because there is way too much to do in Royal.
TLOU however. Yeah it’s pointless.
I’m not interested in playing it even if it were free. I think it’s a pointless remake. People calling a game (Dlcs is different) a cash grab are deliberately meant to insult the devs though. It happens a lot and I don’t like the hypocrisy behind it. Especially in the gaming industry and influencers who don’t even buy games or complain when they don’t get free stuff.
@BritneyfR_ee i don't know if you're living in a cave, but sony is going the nintendo way when it comes to reducing prices for their 1st party ps5 titles, you would see this game at 50£ after 1 year
@GagaOooLaLa wow at trying to equate the fireflies to nazi scientists lol and if you couldn’t feel empathy for Abby losing her father that’s a you problem not the game. I also love how people like you ignore how bad of a person Joel was for years after the outbreak so much so that his own damn brother left him and wanted nothing to do with him so no Joel didn’t deserve better he just got want was coming to him for all the lives he ruined. He’s a great character and I really like Joel because he’s so well written but he was not a good person no matter how much people like you try to rewrite his history.
@Humaniac sure because happily ever after games are too “kiddy and immature” for the edgy crowd. Lol..
Personally never thought it was a cash grab, more a waste of talent and resources that should be working on new games. The remaster still holds up beautifully, this seems to be a completely unnecessary project, especially at £70.
IF, and it’s a big IF, they have really made this a worthwhile upgrade then the onus is on Sony and Naughty Dog to convince us of that. So far they failed to do so, hence the large and understandable pushback.
@JJ2 Here’s the thing. If we just sit back and let them fleece us, they’ll think it’s okay to do this. We call it a cash grab because they’re just tweaking the gameplay and spit shining the graphics. They aren’t adding anything new or changing the story up. It’s still the same experience as the original one.
If they added some different modes or maybe a story showing what it was like for Joel during the first few years of the outbreak then I’d say it’s probably worth the $70. But this is basically a remaster of the remaster. Worth $40-$50 at least. $70 is ridiculous.
His career prospects wouldn’t have been great if he’d said otherwise. Not that I disbelieve him.
Besides, even if it was the bare minimum of upgrades, there are new audiences who didn’t even play the PS4 remaster. That was a long time ago. Kids who were too young at the time are now adults and will have a renewed interest with the upcoming show.
So if they’d just boosted it to 4k and added trigger feedback, so what? That’s up to those new players to decide if it’s worth it, and let’s face it, if you haven’t played it before it’s well worth the money.
Of course for old sweaty boys like me who played two versions already, there is no amount of updating that will make it worthwhile.
It’s a linear game and not something like Skyrim with many different ways to play it, that can support endless remasters.
Desperate for clicks? Just post an article about The Last of Us series!
Don't want it, don't buy it. It's that ***** simple, folks. Gamers are just the worst, they really are. Act like self-entitled man children whenever the chance arises, isn't this hobby meant to be fun?!
@AstraeaV Bloodborne needs no remake. Just a 60fps patch, nothing more.
@dark_knightmare2 But what happens to Joel in TLoU2 doesn’t happen because he was a bad person in the 20 year time jump - which we don’t actually see. It happens because of what he did at the hospital in TLoU1 - which he was perfectly justified in doing imo.
The Fireflies were sinister AF. And I do compare them to Nazi scientists/doctors. Those monsters experimented on thousands of children during the Second World War - and I’m sure they believed they were saving the world too, in their warped minds.
So no, I don’t have any sympathy for Abby - she was a murderer just like her Father.
Anyway, stay on topic. We're talking about the first one here and it's remake. Surely people like you are bored of going on about Part II, by now?
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Same people moaning about this will be the same people moaning how crap the GTA remasters were. I bet you'd have killed to have them re-made to the same quality as GTA 5.
Don't like it dont buy it
I honestly can't believe this game series is popular let alone worthy of a third release in less than a decade.
@col_mccafferty,yr right gaming is fantastic fun ,a wonderful hobby even though it can be an expensive hobby if you want it to be but yes at the end of the day if you don't like a game whether it be ,an original ip, a remake or remaster etc etc ,then you simply don't buy it ,or you buy it later down the line when prices have reduced a little,I may buy lou ps5 but probably ask for it as a great Xmas present instead all gd though ,I don't think we've generally ever had it so good as gaming is these days despite nothing is ever perfect and perfection is in the eye of the beholder:)
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@BlaizeV what’s hard to believe they are some of the best games ever made regardless of whether you feel like they are
I think, as many in these comments have said, the animator misses the point. The consensus is not suggesting its a cash grab, but that it is unnecessary and that the opportunity cost is immense; i.e. what greatness those involved could have been doing elsewhere.
Just as I don't need a new phone every 3 months, the current one is fine, I don't need a slightly better version of a game I have already played every 12 months.
Of course it's going to be a meticulously crafted project. I may get round to playing it at some point, it's nice that Naughty Dog has another generational transition to clear out the pipes but £70 is a no go. A upgrade fee might have been an option because I'm sure it'll be impressive but full price for potentially a 3rd version of the same game is not really enticing.
Happily getting this as i'm one of the few who hasn't played either of the games yet
But see-ing how much hype talk there is on this remake already on other platforms, it's probably just the small minority whining about it, as usual. Won't be suprised if this game goes on #1 in the charts for a while.
Not played TLOU yet so looking forward to playing this when it reduces in price, will never pay £70 even for an new highly anticipated title
I mean let's call a spade, a spade
Lies. The entire video game industry is one big cash grab.
This does not strike me as a cynical “cash grab” in order to fleece the fans.
This seems to be just what it purports to be - a genuine remake of an old classic game with modern technology, in order to take the best advantages of that modern tech.
I am very much sold, and looking forward to it. Especially considering Naughty Dog’s well-known attention to detail.
And (off-topic, I know) in response to @GagaOooLaLa, please remember that the world’s very first National Association for the Protection of the Blind, was found in Germany. In 1933.
If you think it's a cash grab, don't buy it and then move on. It's really that simple.
I never understood why users on this site feel the need to complain so much.
The view of this as a cash crab has less to do with people not believing they put a lot of time and money into it, and more to do with the opinion that it literally doesn't matter if the goal was recreating the same thing in a new engine/environment to re-sell a 9 year old product as new for the second time, at a higher price than ever, and largely to facilitate the PC port.
To reiterate my example on a different thread, just because the guy digging a swimming pool with nothing but a teaspoon spent years of work and tremendously more effort on the job, doesn't mean the pool is worth a thousand percent more than the one made by the guy that dug it in a day with a backhoe.
Unfortunately I think there's also a very well calculated age point in there. People keep talking about it as "old" and and "classic" and I think it hits on an age group where people think "I remember this when I was a kid, it's so old now" when it was merely 9 years ago. 8 since the remaster. But for a 16 year old now 25 they feel like an entire epoch has passed in a mere few years because they're own perception is radically changed, rather than because the game is genuinely old. These "remakes" cash on on that perception. Wake me when they remake Jak 1-3. Those are actual old games.
@Porco Sadly based on the Push poll, and the fact that a lot of the PS5's value offerings are aimed at new-to-PS customers and it's somehow working, I fear it really will sell well and set the wrong message. I do agree with you about P5R. I'm still furious about that. An upgrade path would have made it ok, but that was egregious to require a totally new game purchase for what amounts to QoL improvements and some DLC additional content. And, I think along with Nintendo behavior, set dollar signs in Ryan's eyes.
We have all seen by now what a true remake looks like and what a cash grab remaster disguised as a remake looks like. As it has been a non stop flood of these practices for years now.
We all know how they go, and how little they show pre release if they are the latter. We can discern quite easily what this "remake" is based on the price and what has been shown and analyzed alone.
This article along with other subtle marketing for ND and Sony is just shameful Push Square. We get that being a Sony cheerleader is what puts food on your tables, however, at least try and demonstrate a lack of implicit bias and objectivity on this one... Jesus
Well I see it as a consumer pointless and overpriced luxury product that most people don’t need to buy.
I don’t get the outrage for something I couldn’t care less. Maybe people care and want to get their hands on it at launch? It may seem narrow minded on my part but I don’t get it and not sure why they need it. Don’t buy it then. Don’t encourage more remasters and pointless remakes. Or if you really want it asap and can’t wait for a second hand copy then go for it but I don’t get the whining.
It’s not like a dlc that should be in the main game and is pure robbery like Spider-man dlcs.
I have the idea that it started as a personal project that was well underway with Sony funds when they realised it was about pointless. They then want to get their pointless investment back.
@dark_knightmare2 I'll bet you money they're retconning the doctor scene.
I can see both sides of this one pretty easily, but considering the original is legitimately one of the best games of all time (IMHO), I'm all for keeping it playable on modern hardware. It's often hard to go back to a treasured favorite after playing newer games; suddenly the graphical issues (that weren't issues at all upon release) can jump out unfavorably, and older control schemes can be really offputting.
I think a lot of folks forget how clunky TLOU controlled even on the PS4 remaster - you get used to it after a while, but trying to get Joel to turn quickly requires holding a separate button. Not quite RE-style tank controls, but not that far off. TLOU2 improved on that drastically, and of course the visual upgrade was immense. Hopefully this is all just setting the stage to make for a beautiful PS5 TLOU trilogy when the third game is inevitably announced...
I still refuse to personally pay more than $20 for this, but that's my choice as a consumer.
@Ambassador_Kong it wouldn’t be a retcon but yes they will probably match the doctor to the model from part 2
@bpomber no one is complaining about the game being remade. They’re complaining about the price and rightfully so.
@dark_knightmare2 this is most definitely a cash grab. You can argue all you want but you wont win this one. 90% of the people in the comments section alone are saying its a cash grab. All i see is yourself being argumentative like you have some kind of investment with naughty dog. The facts are they spent neither the time, money, resources to make this game unlike the original yet choose to jump on the $70 bandwagon. Its not a new game.
@Gh05tm4ch1n3 they did spend time,money and resources though just because it won’t have been as much as when they originally made tlou doesn’t change that. A cashgrab is when something is poorly made with minimal work just to make money and this most definitely is not that. Pushsquare needs to do a poll to see how people really feel because I bet it’s a lot closer than you think it is between people whining and people who will get it. I mean the firefly edition sold out within mins and I would bet this game is going to sell very well so it doesn’t seem like nobody wants it. Oh and I wasn’t being argumentative I was mostly just calling out the misinformation people were trying to spread.
No one is saying that it's a cash grab or in any way lazy - I have no idea how much ND spent on resourcing the game. But don't pretend that as much work has gone into this game as would have done a new game. Just a few things which will not have been needed on this remaster, off the top of my head:
1. Level design;
2. Concept art (or, at least, not to the same degree as if from scratch);
4. Multiplayer, networking, etc, etc;
5. Enemy design, encounter design, etc;
6. High-level playtesting/focus-grouping on pacing, story coherency, etc.
Sony can charge whatever it likes, and Naughty Dog can spend billions on making sure that every pixel down to the one which will only be seen by astronauts when the game is projected onto the Moon at 64,000K resolution is polished to a brilliant shine if it wants to - that's their prerogative. But asking for £70 for the game when so much of the work involved in making a game was already in place and ready for them still feels like nasty price gouging to me.
@GagaOooLaLa sure Jan
@MetalGear_Yoshi ok so don't buy it and go find something to play
So just a quick scan through latest ps5 upcoming releases on PS and 70 GBP is the new paying rate for a game at launch. Why the backlash against this particular game??
F1 2022 - 65
Gotham knights - 65 to 80.
NBA 2022- 70
Madden 22 - 90 quid!!!!!!
Skull and bones - 70
MW - 70
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