The Last of Us: Part II appears to have been permanently discounted on the PS Store in the United States, following its release last year. The sequel – which we awarded a 10/10 – is now available from $39.99, with the Digital Deluxe bumping the price to $49.99. Unlike other savings on Sony’s virtual storefront, there’s no expiry date attached to this “deal”, suggesting it’s the title’s new price point.
No changes have been made on the UK storefront as of yet, although we’d expect regional accounts to follow if this isn’t a mistake. It perhaps rules out the possibility of a Director’s Cut-esque re-release, as Ghost of Tsushima was removed from the PS Store entirely in order to make room for its full-price update, which is due out next month.
Naughty Dog confirmed that it’s working on a multiplayer spin-off to the sequel over a year ago, but we’re yet to get any further information on that. There’s also a rumour that the California team is remaking the original entry in the series for the PS5, as it also collaborates with HBO on a TV show adaptation. For now, though, you can pick up one of the PS4’s best games at a much lower price.
[source store.playstation.com, via resetera.com]
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Despite its faults, I love the game.
Niel Druckman ruined tlou2, who in their right mind would give this story driven game a 10..
One of my favourite games ever. Loved playing as Abby.
@pimpjuice Me, apparently.
I loved this game, but I'm not sure I'd play it again anytime soon. It's one of those games where I feel like the one playthrough was the solo, definitive experience I want to have.
@RBMango I found the game to be much better on repeat playthroughs, personally.
@pimpjuice I understand what you're saying. It was far too preachy in its narrative but playability wise, it was rather great.
Bit too much on the long side though.
@pimpjuice it what way was it ruined? Do you mean because it shows the other perspective?
I hope I’m not feeding a troll here…. Honestly for a ND game it was one of their best. 30fps was the only downside and now that’s fixed
I am pretty happy with my 15$ second hand copy
I've never played a more immersive game than TLOU2. Still slowly making my way through it on PS5.
Found the whole game miserable and just couldn't get through it
@Texan_Survivor Didn’t it sell 4m in its first weekend? So 80% drop is only 800k sales week 2?
I’m no expert but 800k in a week seems incredible. That’s like $40m??
@get2sammyb Its cool to like the game but i don't think its a 10/10 by any stretch of the imagination.
I hope the multiplayer is either F2P, or a free add on to the existing TLoU2 game or it’s own separate purchase.
I hope they aren’t delaying it to tie it to a Director’s Cut TLOU2 or that remake because I’ll probably not buy it then.
@pimpjuice Me 😀
„Directors Cut“ incoming
Ah, the comments section that popcorn was made for.
Aside from the ending outstaying its welcome (it ends, then it ends, then it ends again) this was a brilliant experience and an absolute classic for me.
I’m 8 hours in on my first playthrough on PS5 and I’m absolutely loving it! I’ve stayed spoiler free though, so I don’t know what the problem is meant to be with the game, but so far, so amazing!
Quality game. The violent combat never got old.
@thehappyaerithch It’s a hard game for me to rate, I loved some aspects and hated many more.
It reminds me of the old IGN reviews.
Graphics 9
Sound 9
Gameplay 8
Animation 9
Story 3
Replayability 5
Overall 7.2 out of 10
I guess it being a 7 for me works out in my experience.
@Texan_Survivor yeah the fact that it jumped to the 4th best selling ps4 exclusive after a month or that 80% of ~4 millions copies is still almost a million copy is very telling indeed...
It’s not the first time when we see differences between US and other PS Store fronts. In Romania the games are always more expensive then the US counter part. Even new releases they are exceeding the 70€ MSRP. DISC copies most of the times are cheaper from retailers than what Sony is charging for digital on day 1
Who remembers when Space Invaders never divided opinion ?
We all loved it.
People don't get it ND games usually get 10/10s just for raising bars in certain gaming aspects like cinematics and immersion. There's the rope physics in TLOU2, intense and highly satisfying combat. You have 2 full stories in 1, half would've been DLC in 90% of other games. It wouldn't be 10/10 if there were other games like it.
@hypnotoad I seem to recall the internet blowing up over the diversity of the aliens.
Edit: Well, maybe not the internet - the playground.
@Marquez
In the UK you can buy a new physical copy from base for £23 or second hand from cex for £22 so not a great sale by any stretch of the imagination.
Finished my second playthrough last night, first time on ps5. The ps5 patch has done wonders. Enjoyed the story a lot more this time around, though still no need for 'that' scene
@MatthewJP I'd rather pay the extra quid than deal with those CEX scumbags.
@hypnotoad absolutely. Used to love cex, but their ps5 scalping prices have really put me off ever shopping there, and I'm finding new copies of games at base are cheaper than 2nd hand at cex nowadays (ratchet, returnal etc)
@Texan_Survivor So it was a big success, rather than a huge success?
I’m sure they might have hoped it did better after the first games sales were incredible, but I’m also fairly certain the Sony execs were licking their lips at that $250m from 2 weeks.
Also remember that before tlou Naughty Dog games never sold anywhere near those numbers. The first 3 Uncharted games were 5m, 6.6m and 6.7m lifetime.
@MatthewJP
On the other side, once tradeback is factored in, I got Judgment for a final price of £4 and Titan Quest for £2, Shenmue 3 for £2, and PS5 Miles Morales for £10. True I don’t have them collecting dust forever, but it’s not like I re-play these types of games after finishing them and getting the plats.
A good price for folks who never played it. I prefer the original still but Part 2 was still a great game. The true 10/10 last year was 13 Sentinels though obviously! 😁
I didn’t like the story in my first play through but I am going to replay it on the PS5 (when I get one) to see if I enjoy it more without the enormous expectations and hype.
Whatever your feelings on this divisive game, I'll always love Naughty Dog for giving me The Uncharted series.
@fR_eeBritney You'll love it and hope you get the PS5 soon.
@get2sammyb ...and quite right too. Its the best game made so far on any platform. How they managed to pull this off on a ps4, i will never know.
Replaying my old copy on PS5 now! Such an amazing game.
I didn't buy any Sony games last year because I knew the PS5 was coming and I expected PS5 versions. I have been waiting for the game to drop under $30 to pick it up because it's been over a year since the game released, but now I won't pick it up since it seems a "director's cut" version is highly likely. I've been waiting for Ghost of Tsushima to drop under $30 as well, but it seems the clock has restarted with the new version.
Thought TLOU1 was middling, but this one was a showstopper. Few games are as intense, which might perhaps be good. Only thing I disliked was doggo murder.
@Marquez One hundred percent my feelings as well. It went on forever but I loved the majority of it
I generally like it but thought the first was much better for the story. I must admit I didn't much like the Abby portions of the game and I didn't kick up a stink about Joel's murder like the many of the 'delicate' people on the internet these days.
I kept my copy and might play it again one day.
A technical achievement for sure...but the game really needed an editor...it goes on far too long. It's exhausting. It has some great moments, and some decent performances. It didn't go the way I wanted story-wise...And somebody in naughty dog ironically really doesn't like dogs, but it's still decent gameplay.
It just isn't as well written or directed as the first game....but then not many games are.
Such an incredible game. The only disappointment is not being able to play it for the first time again. I've yet to see anything release since (on PS4 or ps5) that comes close to the quality of this game. Wish ND could release as quick as insomniac games though. They are machines!!
Fantastic news. Great game at a great price right there.
TLOU2 had so many scenes that stuck with me. The space scene was epic for me. And was not even about playing the game.
These are the games that keep me gaming. Really want an Abby DLC.
@get2sammyb 😂😂😂😂
@Texan_Survivor so TLOU2 sold 4.8m in the first 2 weeks, and GOW3 sold 4.95m in the first two weeks - hardly a huge difference in sales.
Not entirely sure why you are so desperate to sell this as a failure.
Amazing game, with fantastic plot and characters, that was willing to take risks that other games wouldn’t, whether you liked the story it was telling or not.
@Lightning_FF13 I’m a bit like that with Red Dead.
I'd guess TLoU2 Director's Cut will appear soon then. Permanent price cuts aren't common when it comes to 1st party titles.
Why does it matter how much a game sells? Since when if FIFA the best game ever? The game was a success, that much is clear, who cares if it ''beat'' GOW or not.
Besides, if the game was as bad as some make it out to be, you wouldn't notice that in sales. Cause you'd have to play it first; you'd know if the sequel/part 3 would do a lot worse. That would be evidence, not the game itself.
And maybe people didn't buy it at launch because some couldn't stop bickering about how it ruined gaming even before it came out.
@Mega-Gazz I don’t think it’s that it showed the “other side”. I think that decision was one of it’s brilliant positives. I think the pacing, the story choices, the way the two sides were set up were deeply problematic. I think it’s a beautiful game visually and narratively that needed more time to arrange the parts.
I love how every time this game is mentioned, it's like kicking a hornets nest where the folks who don't like it come out stinging while the folks who do like it come with the bug spray.😄
You should have played as Ellie and Tommy not Abby. Then Ellie could have seen someone she loves being consumed just like her by revenge but ultimately it could have been this mirror of herself that would have "saved" her in the end.
Still, LOVED the stealth gameplay and the amazing details to EVERYTHING but those walking/talking simulator portions, like those in the first game, just feel so archaic in design. Just make a damn cutscene
Still not worth it.
@get2sammyb me too. I would love to erase it from my memory and play it again, and again, and again.
A price drop! Breaking news!
I’m about 15% into it now (took a break to play Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart) and I’m really enjoying it so far. I don’t get why people hate it.
@pimpjuice I would ish was incredible
@Lightning_FF13 are you being sarcastic 😂
@Korgon agreed. Sammy knows it will get clicks. 😁😁😁
The gameplay is good but the story and characters are bad, nd did joel & ellie dirty in this game, it's like they're a different person. Oh well, at least there's still sony others 1st party games that gamers look forward to, like ghost dlc, horizon, and new gow.
Started the first one but barely 2 hours into it and bored. Went on to other things, no desire to finish the first let alone pick up TLOU2 anytime soon, but each to their own.
Is it just me or does no one in the UK know how to get a PS5. I got 2 last Friday at Argos UK for 2 friends. No scalping.
You just have to keep an eye on release.
Then use little tips and tricks to get them.
Argos is to get it in your basket and keep trying different stores even if it says out of stock.
Then as if by magic you get one.
Usually around 8am. Got the two about 9pm online to collect in store last Friday.
I think some people don’t want to do a little research and try hard.
By the way that is a total of 6 I have purchased, though 1 was my release date one.
@Dezzy70 I like how you start by insinuating how easy it is then describe all the various hoops you have to jump through, also ignoring entirely people who can't hover around an internet connection at 8am - aka working adults.
Also have to wonder why your friends didn't just get them if it's so simple but whatevs I guess.
@Dezzy70 For me, it’s not that I can’t get one, it’s that I don’t feel in any rush to get one (even if there were shelves full of them in every store). I’m more than happy to wait another year or two when there are enough proper next gen games available to make it worthwhile. By then, all the early PS5 games will be dirt cheap and fully patched. There’s just zero reason to own any next gen console at the moment imo.
@Texan_Survivor agreed. If i had seen the leaks and knew what they did to Joel and everything else, I never would have bought it. The way the game portrays Ellie as the villain while then making you control the character who is trying to kill Ellie and Tommy who never really gets framed as the bad guy is awful and copyright striking channels just for discussing the game, as well as making us think Joel would be in the game for a long time when trailers were faked proves ND knew a lot of people would never have bought it if they knew the truth.
Stopped half way through. Just don't enjoy playing as a psycopath.
@zupertramp
True there are a few hoops I agree.
But it doesn’t seem to hard, if you really won’t one.
Ok I was off work Friday so that helped me get them for my working friends.
Also I’m a very persistent chap 😂
It is just some make it sound impossible and moan about it all the time, when a bit of focus can get you one.
@fR_eeBritney
Was not aiming it at yourself.
Just overall on here a lot moan how they can’t get a PS5 and moan at Sony.
Yes it’s not easy, but with some focus and if someone wanted one so bad, you can do it.
I already own this game, hoping that the inevitable Director's Cut will offer a similar upgrade path as Death Stranding.
Scary to see people still complaining about this game over a year later.
@Dezzy70 True, it's not so much impossible but definitely more effort than I want to put in just to spend money. Everyone I know that has a PS5 had several people helping them hunt one down. That's just too much. I shouldn't need a team or a strategy.
As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't be any harder than buying a blender. I've never needed to consult with friends or track stock or refresh my shopping cart multiple times for a blender.
@mrtennis1990 It is in some ways but we talk about lots of games and the reasons we liked them (or didn’t) in nearly every comments section. It’s only this game that seems to cause every discussion to spiral into madness 🤣 I still haven’t figured out exactly why that is.
If someone criticises a game like RDR2 for example, that’s generally considered to be fine. It just wasn’t for you. But voicing an opinion about TLoU2 that’s anything other than absolute praise seems to bring out the crazies.
It’s a strange one alright.
@Dezzy70 oh I know - no offence taken. I was just adding my two cents 😬
@fR_eeBritney 100% agree with you.
@zupertramp
I think it will be a good while until we see blender type stock levels and easy availability 😂
@Dezzy70 You're not wrong there.
EA is coming out with their own golf game again next year the PS version needs a crossover tournament called “Joel in One!” 👌
@Ambassador_Kong Every One In That Game Is a Psycopath Including Eille.
We'll, this is good news. It means the Sony tax isn't permanent after all, it's just an early access program.
@pimpjuice completely disagree. While tlou first will forever be one of the best playstation games, the second part is well worth experiencing. One of the best games in the last generation.
@Texan_Survivor 80% drop on second week happens to 99.9% of the games.
@Mega-Gazz the story was awful, predictable, and had no resolve. That would be my guess of where he’s coming from.
@Reyren same
Please make this an Xbox Game Pass game if only to explode the internet.
I didnt bother with the game because i didnt enjoy the first one..i can appreciate why people love the game and i can fully understand why people didnt like it..i myself whilst having nothing against the lgbtqxyz society/community(s) dont like having everybodys agendas/genders invading my entertainment and everyday life in general...why the need to bring constant attention upon ones selves?
@Texan_Survivor "The fact it had a staggering drop of 80% in week 2 is just unacceptable and very telling..."
Not really. Not when first week sales broke so many records.
Directors cut incoming
And wow! the SALT levels in the comments are higher than the Dead Sea.
The fact the haters can’t stop talking about it over a year later proves it was successfully memorable 😉
Ah yes, the best kind of comment sections.
Full of people with garbage opinions with nothing to back it up who can’t do simple maths. Delightful
@themightyant Sure, Donald Trump election win was also memorable. So success it is!
@ScepticDK thanks for the laugh.
@Zuljaras you’re missing the point. ND deliberately made a game that questions the norms to foster debate and discussion to push the industry, and bigoted views, forward.
Every day this is discussed and every salty comment is a win for them. Like it or hate it you just can’t seem to ignore it!
Keep em coming
(EDIT: In that way it is like Trump, as soon as everyone stops talking about him he will have no power anymore, but people can’t help themselves)
@KippDynamite “A price drop! Breaking news!”
Look at the engagement on this post. PushSquare know how to work their audience.
Like a moth to flame
@themightyant "It is not the job of a game to change the World."
Also people are ONLY talking about it when a new article about it comes around. Those articles bring the bad stuff because many people recall it only for the disappointing stuff not the good graphics and animations.
The gaming industry should not force ideals, diversity etc.
But hey that is just me
It would be quite hilarious to see TLOU Part 3 with Abby on the cover and promo videos of her. I want to see the hype and the sale numbers then
Want to bet is would NOT go even near the hype and the sales of TLOU Part 2?
It's 10/10 for me.
Beat it 4 times.
Price drop informs us that TLOU1, 2 PS5 package will be a separate release.
And it is quite fair, to be honest. Original game is updated to run 60 fps in BC. Considering graphics, sound etc are all fantastic from the start, everyone can enjoy this game to full extent.
Also, let's keep in mind that scenario for TLOU3 is ready, according to Neil.
Game is amazing. Is it a 10? Probably not, the story doesn't reach the highs of the first game. I liked playing as Abby but they did a huge mistake making the story with that order. First you should've played with Abby, making you like and care for her and at the middle of the game the shocking golf scene would happen. Then you would play as Ellie, full of rage, ready to kill the world but at the same time not wanting to kill Abby...
@Zuljaras Why would it be "hilarious"? I really don't get this viewpoint.
Why shouldn't games, books, music, comedy, movies or ANY form of art or entertainment push ideals and diversity? (it always has) Especially when a significant portion of those actually MAKING them are diverse and being treated so badly in the world?
@themightyant Because there is no universally good ideal that should be pushed.
If you play games to be barraged by real world issues and political agendas then good for you There should be something for everyone but that does not mean I personally should like it and praise it
Playing TLOU2 is really depressing if you really look into its things. At the end there was no satisfaction at all.
"Revenge , bad!" is just lazy and stupid writing. I preferred to look at the environments there as they are quite beautiful.
Diversity for the sake of diversity will not do any good
@Zuljaras No one said you have to "like it or praise it". You didn't like it? Fine. But you also don't have to consistently whinge and complain about it every time it is mentioned. Just accept it's not for you and move on. There's more than enough games to play and discuss.
I didn't like LittleBigPlanet, World of Warcraft or Soul Calibur 2 (all universally praised and 93+ on Metacritic) yet I didn't go on every one of those posts and complain, complain, complain. You know why? I can accept that they do many things well, they are objectively good games, but they weren't for me.
And a lot of people disagree with your point on lazy writing and an unsatisfying ending, which is part of the reason, not the only reason, why it's the most awarded game in history. Again that doesn't mean you have to like it either.
"Diversity for the sake of diversity will not do any good" Agreed!
But I don't think this game was that. Regardless point me to another game with a meaningful trans main character that came out before TLOU2... I'll wait. I'd say they are pretty UNDER represented. Are you suggesting we should never have a trans main character? If so why?
@ScepticDK agreed completely. And abby was never punished for her actions. Her quest for revenge was justice but Ellie's was not? Come on!
@themightyant Just as there is praise for the game when article is made the opposite should be allowed as well:)
Also I did not care one bit if Lev(or any character) is trans. It did not add anything for the feel or the development of the character for me.
But that might be just me as I overlook any type of sexual/gender stuff in games or other media.
I do not care for representation is general. I do not identify myself with some made up characters
Also we can't have every minority represented in every big game like a meaningful checklist for the people that struggle to be seen.
@Zuljaras "Just as there is praise for the game when article is made the opposite should be allowed as well" - 100% Agreed. Discourse is important when respectful and adult. Sadly a lot of it hasn't been, anytime TLOU2 is mentioned the same tired, bigoted and salty arguments come out. We've heard them... repeatedly... ad nauseum. (Just scroll up)
"I did not care one bit if Lev(or any character) is trans."
Great! So what's the problem with diversity?
"Also we can't have every minority represented in every big game like a meaningful checklist for the people that struggle to be seen." No one's asking for a checklist or to be included in every big game. What they are asking for is a FEW characters and stories that they can relate to in ANY big game, or even small games really. Many are still hugely under represented.
Regardless I have to get back to work. Thanks for an adult discussion that hasn't turned to childishness or animosity. I respect that we can have different views and disagree.
@themightyant The only problem I have with it is that diversity is used as a marketing tool nowadays. And the fully part is that it markets to a minority not the majority from where the actual numbers come from
It's like those writers are above the rest because they are "good" adversaries of the so called scarce diversity in video games
I want to see diverse games without labeling them blindly with words like "brave" and "progressive".
Maybe I am too conservative for some games
But I am 100% with you on the adult discussion. Many people prefer to screech instead of participating in civil talk.
Have a nice workday!
@Zuljaras Thanks! And I do understand some of your criticisms even if I disagree with others. Have a good day!
“ "Revenge , bad!" is just lazy and stupid writing.”
This was my main issue with the story tbh. Vengeance is extremely satisfying. You can try and ‘break the cycle’ of violence sure (🥱😴) , but you can also remove every last obstacle in your way until there’s nothing left to fear. You’re still technically ‘breaking the cycle’ but in a much more enjoyable way 😬
Take Game of Thrones for example. How satisfying was it when Cersei water-boarded Septa Unella with wine after destroying the Sept of Baelor (and all of her enemies inside) with wildfire. Extremely satisfying.
They should release a DLC / Alternate ending where you water-board Abby with wine and lock her in a dungeon with The Mountain. Then it will be a 10 🤣
@Kidfried The fact that the game is labelled as progressive is a marketing on its own.
Also in a post apocalyptic world gender identity will be the last thing in the survival guide
The thing that put me off was the story in general The whole Joel thing was only half of the game and it was excuse for the plot. Druckman said that the theme was hate. Well he got the hate and he did not like it at all Not everyone that did not like his game is a "bigot".
Ah the other thing is the relationship of Ellie and Dina. There was zero chemistry. Why do it if it does not work? Just for the representation? Ellie and Dina were so stiff all the time and awkward!
Same with Lev, he is trans just to have an excuse to run away from his people.
@OmegaStriver
Neil rubbing hands like a greedy capitalist: "YES! YES! we gonna milk this cow until it puts out POWDERED MILK!!!"
@Kidfried I don't get how Lev was trans, she not ONCE talked about getting a gender reassigment surgery, or taking hormones to fully go FTM. At this point, Lev was just a young woman, who cut her hair, and was having gay feelings...Lets call it for what it is.. Sometimes I "feel" like I want to fly, does that make me a "trans-pilot"?... I have no issue with ANY one, they have the right to be what we all want to be, but if you are feeling anything but your gender that you were born as, lets just say you are gay, until proven otherwise.. We all thought Abby was a lesbian, but she was uber straight and even had a love interest. I think Neil and the writers were trying to do WAAAY too much with TLOU2, and it back fired because you can't please everyone....
okay im off my soapbox...
@Kidfried Ok I get that you are getting angry or something like that. As I said that the game was emphasizing too much on intimate relationships unlike the first game. I knew Ellie was gay from the first game (which I really like btw!).
There were too many love interests packed in the game. 2 pregnant women one being cheated on, one turning out to be gay/bi so conveniently for the story. Which in the end turned out to be meaningless ...
Also I did not say lesbians are weird I said Ellie and Dina were weird There is a big difference! They could've just as easily make them friends that care about each other but they chose the romantic way .. even for promotion material. I am sure you remembered that when it came out and the reaction of the public. You may argue about it but it was intentional.
Anyway I cared more about how they treated Joel and on his place they put the things I mentioned above. Every time someone speaks about this game there will be 50/50 talk about it. There is no way around it
@JiUreland1992 Break Even? You cray cray? The game made around $250m in 10 days.
@MakersMark I’ll help you out
“Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from the sex that they were assigned at birth. Some transgender people who desire medical assistance to transition from one sex to another identify as transsexual. Transgender, often shortened as trans, is also an umbrella term”
@JiUreland1992 No one can know exactly but likely around $100m.
For example Horizon Zero Dawn cost $47m, which peaked at about 250 staff plus 150 outsource team. I believe the entire Studio worked on tlou2 after uncharted 4 so getting up to $100m seems likely.
@Kidfried No worries at all! I appreciate conversations that don't go out throwing slurs or buzzwords!
So in conclusion it is probably more on my side as I really dislike any form of sexual content or romantic notions in games
In some games like the later Assassin's Creed or the Witcher it is optional but I guess in heavy story driven game like TLOU2 it is more of an artistic choice from the writers.
But to be completely honest Druckman did not take it very professional on Twitter (for example) calling people bigots or the reports of reviewers being harassed by ND for giving the game below average reviews
@JiUreland1992 MGSV also paid 30% of its revenue to Sony, and was released during a time when physical sales were much larger, especially in its home market that is still like 80% physical. Physical games net the publisher about half of what a digital sale would.
Is that 5-6m lifetime or release window? Tlou2 sold 4.8m in 10 days, all full price sales. Lifetime sales comprise of a lot of reduced price sales.
@JiUreland1992 "That’s not a great sign. I guess they’re hoping to break even with it."
Talk about a bad take! The mental gymnastics you have to go through to somehow make it seem like this game failed is beyond me. I guess God of War being £15.99 means it's a flop too? right? right?
Yes Sony haven't released exact sales numbers, that's normal, they usually don't unless there's a big milestone. But here's a few they have:
"In its release weekend, The Last of Us Part II sold over four million copies worldwide, becoming the fastest-selling PlayStation 4 exclusive, beating Marvel's Spider-Man's 3.3 million and God of War's 3.1 million in the same period"
"It had the biggest launch of 2020 for both physical and digital sales."
As of Aug 2020 "it was PlayStation’s third highest-grossing video game ever in the United States” (behind GoW and Spider-man)
"Overall sales for 2020, it ranked sixth in North America and eighth in Europe" despite being on only one platform.
Doesn't sound much like "they’re hoping to break even with it" does it! By your mad logic Uncharted 4, 3, 2, 1, Last of Us were all failures for not selling as many as TLOU2. Check your bias!
Totally agree @ChrisDeku
I get how not everybody would like the game but trying to convince anybody (including yourself) that it wasn't hugely successful is just weird
Beat it. Platinumed it. Would get it again for the multiplayer (Still play TLOU1 multiplayer online)
Preferred the 1st one due to their being only a few characters, but the 2nd one wasn't bad. I wonder how they will finish the trilogy in Part 3
@AFCC You don't think it's more interesting that with the Abby element you start by hating her and end wanting her to live? That was my experience anyhow. The first time it switched to her perspective I was, not miffed, but conflicted - fighting to keep a character you despise alive is a head trip for sure - but as the story progressed and I learnt more of her history and motivations the harder it became when playing as Ellie to want to achieve the goal of revenge. That for me is the game's masterstroke. I get fans of Joel being angry he was killed off (see my initial feelings re Abby), but I've never played a game that flipped my expectations and made me question my own motives as well as TLOU2 did. I'm sure this sounds harsh, and I genuinely don't mean to insult anyone, but I can't help feel those who hate on the game as much as they do possess a lower level of emotional intelligence.
@JiUreland1992 Sony gets 100% of the revenue, since this is an internally developed game…
@JiUreland1992 if you don’t know Naughty dog are owned by Sony then I got no idea why you’re even here on a PlayStation gaming site.
Ps Sony bought them in 2001.
@JiUreland1992 yeah that Reddit post is absolute rubbish. He doesn’t even know that Naughty Dog are simply a development studio wholly owned by Sony with no financial independence, no independent financial statements etc.
@JiUreland1992 The calculation for tlou2 is very simple because Sony Pay 100% of the development and advertising cost and keep 100% of all revenue. The only thing that needs some guess work is how many copies sold were physical, which generate less revenue due to the store cut. For reference 65% of all PlayStation game sales were digital during the last financial year, taken from Sony’s financial report.
The people who think tlou2 cost more than $100m don’t seem to realise that most of the studio was working on Uncharted 4 until it got released in 2016.
@JiUreland1992 Even this terribly biased Reddit post that so desperately wants to paint the game as a failure estimates that the game generated 199.2m for Sony and 91.2m for Naughty dog. Now since they’re literally the same company, we can add them together and we get:
The game generated almost $300m for Sony almost 1 year ago.
Anyone who thinks this game wasn’t a colossal financial success is simply wrong. Plain as day.
@ChrisDeku That subreddit is not only completely dedicated to hating a game (and it's still going strong a year after the release) but they also seem to be living in some alternate reality. It's wild.
@themightyant
Makes me want to be less engaged in the community, to be honest. If half the discussion on this post is about whether or not diversity is good then perhaps many people in this community are too immature for my time.
@KippDynamite I know how you feel. But I also think 95% of it is lack of access/education to these subjectively scary new ideas. We humans don't like change and usually put up barriers to it. But i'd prefer to at least try to help.
We're also all on a different journey with all this stuff, I grew up saying everything was "gay", "homo" etc. so did my sister... who it turns out IS actually gay. lol
We live and learn and get our eyes opened at different times, based on who we are, where we live, who we know and our life experiences. Forcing it isn't usually the best way, just creates animosity and hatred. Which is why (I hope) I haven't gone in too hard here but would rather discuss ideas and hopefully show another viewpoint and educate over time, not in a rant.
And if after all that there's still just BS takes... at the end of the day there's always the Ignore button
Yes, at times I try to engage and make a difference. But my actual life of full of helping people all day and most of the time I can't be bothered to do it on a gaming website as well.
Props to people who have the patience to do it here, though!
The fact this game hasn't reached 10 million sales yet like Horizon, God of War or Spider-Man, tells me that it sold hugely well but fell off a cliff quickly. I think a combination of the leaks and the backlash to the story have effected it's long term sales. Hopefully ND learned from this and not get blinkered by all the GOTY awards because critical reaction and public reaction have been different.
@KippDynamite Couldn't do it every day, props to you for doing it IRL.
BTW, you probably know this.... but if not, Eurogamer is generally a slightly older crowd if that's what you're looking for. But it's not purely PS focused, though you can filter by PS. Nor does it have some of the interesting soapboxes and talking points that are here... even if they are tinder boxes. Plus It's usually slower with news annoyingly.
I jump between both, though and generally prefer the threaded and filtered comments on EG.
@AdamNovice This is a far more sensible take but also needs some perspective.
I agree all the bad press and leaks would have impacted sales to an extent (though it still sold record numbers at launch). But it may have scared off some people who were on the fence, or people like me who waited after having major plotlines spoiled!
I suspect it likely didn't sell quite as well as they hoped, that's logical - but let's be 100% clear, in no way does that make it a failure as others have been trying to push here unsuccessfully. It's still around the top 10-15 best selling Sony games on PlayStation EVER, and that's after only 1 year on sale.
Very few first party games EVER sell 10M+. There have been only 7 so far across all 26 years of PlayStation. NOT selling 10M+ isn't some badge of shame or anything to worry about, ESPECIALLY after only a year. For reference it took Horizon:ZD 2 whole years to get to that 10 million mark. Also it's worth noting that comparatively a lot of those TLOU2 sales were full price.
Regardless, i've been saying for a while that they will release a Last of Us 2 remastered (or Directors cut) just like the first game and it will sell a lot more over it's lifetime. If so it will probably quite comfortably go over that 10M+ number just like TLOU1, which didn't' sell 10M+ until after the PS4 version released.
On the last point this is more subjective. I just hope ND keep making the games THEY are passionate about without much interference, else we will end up with average games and nobody wants that.
Thanks but no thanks. They would need to pay me to play it. And yes, I actually liked Abby (minus all the ways they made her unethical). My problems with the game are purely with poor, poor dogshit writing. Not a problem with the demise of this or that character, not a problem with new characters. Motivations, in-world rules and what drives characters, cheap plot "twists" and unexplored subplots. It's a mess.
@themightyant
Thanks!
@HUMPERDOO I am not mad she did that to Joel, she had obviously good reasons to hate him. Her father seemed a good man just trying to save the world. When the game switches to Abby midway through I was like "please no...not 3 acts of this" but when she finds Lev and Yara I actually ended up liking her. BUT I still wanted Ellie to kill her at the end...lol I missed the point? Maybe, but I still wanted Ellie to get something out of the journey, since all she had was losing everyone and everything, which is unfair imo.
@Kidfried I know this is not a website about genders , it’s a gaming site but we are discussing a game that has characters in it that are of different sexual identities and are in flux with their genders… So, make it make sense for the lay person.. ( which I am sure there are many here who don’t know or are educated such as yourself about being trans ). -which lev was-. So Lev was born as a girl XX chromosomes, but later in life her mind told her she should be represented by XY chromosomes. So EVERY cell in Lev’s body which is marked as XX, does not hold relevance? So, Lev isn’t gay or lesbian ( sexual choice desire ). Lev is transgender ( stuck in gender).. so Lev who still has every cell marked as a female, that will do everything a female is prepared to do until directed other wise is a man stuck in a females body?…. We all are growing here, and I’m sure we all want to learn. Please make it make sense to us who are ignorant of this phenomenon , or just want to be enlightened. Thanks, we all are gamers and just want to understand each other…. Thanks
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