And just like that, all eyes are on PlayStation once again. After the manufacturer’s big blowout in June, we haven’t learned a whole lot more about Sony’s next-generation console, beyond its box art design and some minor tidbits about upcoming titles. The Japanese giant rightly resisted the temptation to reveal anything last week, as it allowed Xbox to enjoy its moment in the spotlight. But while I feel the PlayStation 5 is in a much better position than its competitor as it closes in on its inevitable November launch, there’s still so much that the platform holder needs to say.
There are rumours that there’ll be a State of Play in August, but unless its feature-length I’m kinda expecting regular communication from the company through until launch now. Sony deserves credit for showing footage running on its next-gen console during its recent showcase – Halo: Infinite’s hotly anticipated gameplay reveal wasn’t even captured on an Xbox Series X – but we still haven’t seen much outside of a few minutes of Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart and an Astro’s Playroom demo.
I know that these are unprecedented circumstances, but that’s mind-boggling to me. Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales is clearly being positioned as the flagship launch title, but outside of it including an optional 60 frames-per-second mode, we still know next to nothing about this game. Obviously, there’s been much debate about its status as a standalone release, but I’d like to know how it’s taking advantage of the PS5 hardware – and what kind of new gameplay wrinkles we can expect.
It almost feels like Sony would benefit from individual State of Plays for all of its upcoming PS5 titles. I really enjoyed how the manufacturer pointed the spotlight at specific titles earlier in the year, and I came away much more excited for The Last of Us: Part II and Ghost of Tsushima in the aftermath. Even if they’re not necessarily planned for launch, I’d like to see big, chunky demonstrations of Demon’s Souls and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart.
Heck, I’m still not entirely sure what Destruction AllStars even is – and while the roadmap for PS5 certainly looks engaging, I don’t yet have a grasp of when the software will arrive. Is Gran Turismo 7 due imminently, or is it still years away? At least the likes of Horizon Forbidden West have had a target release date attached; I’m still clueless when it comes to the majority of the manufacturer’s other titles to be honest.
We know there’s more for the company to showcase, and I think after another sub-par Xbox Series X showing, it has the opportunity to really double-down. With rumours still swirling around Silent Hill and Uncharted, I think it can put together a real scorcher of a State of Play – but now is the time to cement that with substance. We need to see these games in action running on PS5 hardware, and we need to know so much more.
I’m not even talking about PS5 price or PS5 release date information: I want to know how my PS4 games are going to play on the next-gen console, and whether I can expect meaningful patches and updates for some of my first-party favourites. I want to know what the user interface is going to be like, and what the Create button does. Heck, I feel like there are so many questions that have been hanging for the best part of a year now.
I think another big showcase from Sony is needed; many people are still yet to be properly sold on next-gen. But while I’m already all-in on the PS5, I feel that the Japanese giant has a communication mountain to climb over the next three months. Yes, we need to see more games, but we also need tangible, unedited footage. And we need more information about the system and how everything’s going to work.
I’m patient; I’ve been patient all year. And I understand that coronavirus has had an enormous impact on the ordinary order of things. But Sony has to find solutions; it needs to give us a better idea of what playing on the PS5 will be like. And without demo stations and preview events, the onus is on the manufacturer to find a way to effectively get that information out into the public. It’s run a powerful campaign thus far, but it still has so much more to do.
What do you still want to know about the PS5? Have you been frustrated by the slow deployment of information all year long? Sit tight in the comments section below.
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Sony have been reactive in recent years, we need to know what their reaction is to Microsoft's recent moves, will PS Now receive an overhaul?
For me if PS Now can compete with Game Pass Sony can leverage it's install base advantage to good effect.
My opinion but it is the only thing they are behind on at the minute, Sony have the first party software nailed, the intuitive hardware nailed, just that last piece of the puzzle.
Microsoft blew their biggest opportunity and they're vulnerable, now it's time to perform the fatality.
FINISH HIM !
I actually really enjoyed the Xbox event, thought it was just as good as Sony’s one so I would definitely like to see more from PS5 that would convince me that it’s the next-gen console for me.
It dont need to.microsoft already making people to choose ps5.and that halo gameplay.yuck.what was that.killzone shadow fall a 2013 ps4 launch game looks way better than halo.and the haptic feedback and ssd.and tbe trust and respect that the people have for sony is legendary.sony is the 👑 .theyre exclusive speaks for themselves.sony do need to buy bluepoint.housemarque.etc.word up son
'another big showcase from Sony is needed;" etc
Disagree. I would love to see more and I DO THINK we ll see more exclusive reveal in addition to MM gameplay and third party like COD
However, the xbox showcase was really poor and what was revealed at Sony showcase easily tops it. What is needed is some gameplay for the launch games like MM.
No need going into drama mode.
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Yes the tear down and UI demo are course coming at some point. Not even worth being in a show case
I think Microsoft greatly missed the boat with their last showcase, showing little in relation to launch console seller and games not due till late 2021 at least.
Sony has the chance to show more launch, year 1 and further out games for us to look forward too. I think this alongside a clearer approach to backwards compatibility and PS Now, could be a slam dunk and see a greater shift in an already slanted console market.
@KratosMD
Again just my point of view : if you talk about really saving money then there is no urgency to buy next gen to enjoy gamepass.
@KratosMD Many of the showcased games will not be available for years on Series X, and since gameplay basically wasn’t shown for most of them, you don’t really know what you’re going to get. Hope it works out for you.
To be honest all we really need is a 30 minute state play that says the PS5 is coming out X day for Y price and you can pre-order starting Z day. Also here's one launch title we've kept under our hats with a 5 minute trailer.
Quite frankly, the xbox event wasn't really bad, it just wasn't anything special. The reason it appeared like a bad show is because Xbox are still leaning far too heavily on Halo, and Halo is still being made by the criminally incompetent 343i.
With the aftermaths of XB event i think Sony will actually take it easy.
And probably just do a series of SoPs, one for PS5 features overlook with pre-orders/price announcement. And other one focused on Spider MM, plus others minor launch games.
Not really expecting any of the other Big Titles to come at PS5 launch.
Stadia is where it’s at. Baldurs Gate 3 for the win. I’m almost completely serious.
Sony is in a position right now where it can be complacent because MS is doing nothing to win mindshare and Nintendo operates in its own bubble. I'm of the belief when you've got your foot on the competition like Sony does now, you keep pressing down. But these big corporations don't seem to act that way.
There are questions still to be answered but Sony have already done the hard bit with their reveal in June where it was mostly well received. All eyes were on them so the pressure is on. The next State of Play should announce a few more games (probably 3rd parties and maybe one more thing being an exclusive) but more focus should be on the system itself. How does BC work, will Plus and PS Now evolve? What's the UI and create button like etc?
MS will be developing more live service games instead of single player games because they want their gamers to continue subscribing to Gamepass for content and multiplayer access. $15 per month/$180 a year for AA games that you don't even own - A hard pass for me
Sony have the more attractive line-up of games within the two year transitional period and their portfolio of exclusives is unmatched at this point.
I think not enough credit is given to Sony for showing a lot of gameplay and footage running on PS5. Not CG. Or PC in engine BS. That alone is a big 👍 from me.
Halo Infinite was a great sales pitch for PS5 in my book
@Richnj My problem with XB event was totally not Halo, i think it looks ok, but i don't care about that series anyways. I played the first one on the OG XB and that's it.
My real problem is that everything showed from MS besides Halo is in "early pre-production"... It will be 2022 or 2023 before we got Fable or Avowed, even the Rare game end up being just an early cutscene, since they are still "evaluating gameplay" ¿¿WTF??
I know most PS studios games showed on PS5 Reveal event will not be launch titles, but you can really see most of then been 2021 games. They already show gameplay or in-game captures/footage.
I wouldn't say no to a few big reveals that fully get me on board, but at this point, I'd just like to know what games they expect to release around launch.
I want to know more about the UI, how playing ps4 games will work and I also would like them to reveal more games...not to mention that price.
I can see them getting complacent though, Microsoft is already making sure that my next console is going be a PlayStation.
I don’t believe in Netflix-style subscriptions either...I pick the games that I play in my limited spare time. And most of the games they have shown had like CG teaser trailers...we are not going to see them anytime soon.
@BrainHacker Agree and afraid.
I think Forza will also become a GaaS. They already ditch the numbering.
Hope Fable don't end up been some kind of light MMORPG GaaS.
Gamepass its too strong on MS mind and GaaS games make all the sense to support that service.
I’m still baffled we have not been shown any gameplay for Spider-Man, given it’s the one first party game confirmed to be on the shelves on launch day.
I also can’t wait to know if TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima will get some patches for the PS5. Those games just came out and are critically acclaimed, it would heavily counter the competitor narrative over optimized cross-gen games.
Also, I know we were told later than Horizon 2 was tart getting 2021, but that was not on the presentation and from the way it was said, it sounds more like “2021 is the launch window” and more like “we trying hard but no promises”.
If you are a fan of playstation their event was better. If you are a fan xbox their event was better. People can argue all they want but the events were very similar with quality and quantity. Neither company needs to "defend/respond" to the other.
The only thing I think Sony needs to do is start marching to the beat of their own drum. Microsoft is obviously not putting all their eggs in the Series X basket. Sony shouldn't feel the need to wait on Xbox's hardware event to release their own info.
@Makina Well that's what I mean by relied far too heavily on Halo. I understand that the new studios like Obsidian and InXile are newly purachsed and may need a bit longer to get their new IPs out, but the legacy franchises that need rebooting, like Blinx, Perfect Dark, Banjo, and Fable (Fable, especially) could have made perfect launch titles.
@Tharsman
>I’m still baffled we have not been shown any gameplay for Spider-Man
I think SpiderMM wil be Sony's "big" title for PS5 launch day. So they will probably have a dedicated "deep dive" SoP just before release.
>it would heavily counter the competitor narrative over optimized cross-gen games.
Narrative which MS alone already probe wrong or hypocrite.
@Makina They will not only turn their popular mainstay exclusive into GaaS but they will also pack it with microtransactions and loot boxes.
The quality of Xbox games will also take a dip and there is a high chance that Fable will be an MMO as MS will rather released a half-ass game to add content to GP as soon as possible than polished it since they can just release game patches and updates later on to fix any issues like Sea of Thieves and possibly Halo Infinite.
Rather than blown out event I think it's better if sony has lenghty state of play for each of their ps5 titles just like ghost of tsushima state of play.
I'm disappointed by xbox though, after all this teasing of true xbox x power and this is the event we get? Disappointing xbox 360 era halo graphics (thats not even 4k and running on pc), a cg trailer that's like it's year 2005, and exclusive that's not really exclusive
I work Mon to Fri. I like going fishing on the odd weekend. Sometimes I might have to go dig bait on the Saturday before a Sunday match. I'm married. I love listening to my high end stereo. I spend a lot of time watching Netflix with my wife and we love some of the excellent foreign series like Bordertown, Black spot and The Break.
My point is that whilst I love gaming I don't have the time to be attached to something like game pass, as good as it is. I just want a killer game every few months. I also feel that game pass does quite possibly, dilute the value and quality of the product.
I much prefer what Sony are trying to do.
I want to see the UI and some more new games, especially Kena, R&C and Spidey.
I also want to see how big the machine is and how the sides might be interchangeable.
I have definitely come to the conclusion that Microsoft is selling game pass and not really a console, but that’s not for as the quality is definitely not there.
Sony without worry could just tell all about everything and just get on with it. Including release date price and preorders as of now.
The first 10 million units are already sold so they have nothing to worry about. Step up Sony be bold and strong as you deserve it and take the crown and act like the king of the jungle you are.
@Jaxx420 sony hasn't been reactive. If this year is indication, they are doing their own thing. They have only reacted to world events.
@Makina Sony really needs to show gameplay for SpiderMM in this event. Can’t keep waiting to just before release. We saw gameplay for Ratchet, an undated title. I know why they focused on that one, as it showcases the SDD usage, but not showing SpiderMM on this event will start make me think it’s going to end up having similar issues to Halo (raytracing missing or underwhelming, current gen visuals.)
“Narrative which MS alone already probe wrong or hypocrite.“
Agree to disagree. I been a PS4 only almost this whole generation, and that approach already made me start actually buying and playing games for XBox right now. I know the lifelong faithful might not change their minds, but I have noticed I’m not the only one in this site that has started to make more use of their unused Xboxes.
SpiderMM, even if it was the best game ever, will not be enough (as a single title) to make me buy a PS5. Being told TLOU2 and Ghost will run at 4k/60 with raytracing? THAT instantly changes things, for me, to 3 actually appealing titles on day one.
If I was to pick only one console today, based on what has been revealed, it would be the Xbox. I mostly play third party games as it is, and they are likely going to run smoother there anyways. I need a reason to buy a PS5 in addition to that.
I think this state of play will be a big tasty cake full of goodies! Unannounced games / UI / price / release date / ps now and ps plus joint offering / Console bundles / customisation across the ps5 hardware.
I mean there are mad rumours about each of the above so hopefully some are given more info on. As this state of play is Sony’s really last chance to show gamers what they are offering this gen.
I think what Sony could do is simlair to what they did for the dual shock 5 hands on is gather some designs of these studios and do some further / deeper game play on these games for the ps5 weekly even up to the run up. This keeps the talk effective and to the run up to the console.
I said elsewhere that MS's show last week was decent enough but if we're honest here, it needed a stellar one to make XSX a worthwhile purchase. And the fact they showed so little gameplay should be cause for concern.
Contrast that to Sony's showcase and this is what actually had any form of gameplay.
Gran Turismo 7
R&C Rift Apart (best showcase for next gen so far)
Sackboy: A big adventure
Astro's Playroom
Returnal
Kena: Bridge of Spirits
Ghostwire Tokyo
Deathloop
Destruction AllStars
Little Devil Inside
Solar Ash (albeit brief)
Oddworld Soul Storm
Godfall
And Hitman 3 (again briefly)
Another big showcase would be wonderful. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they just do a more low-key announcement to reveal the price and release date, whenever they want to do that.
I don't think Sony has anything to worry about concerning MS IMO Sony are in another league! just keep doing the same things it has worked wonders.
Why does sony need to tell us more? All i need to know are 2 things 1)release date and 2)the price...we all know the faster ram and the oh so superior ssd is pretty much the game changer here..microsoft,phil spencer and their hybrid whatever can kiss my ass...pffft..
@Tharsman blasphemer
I agree I need some answers like will my PS4 games play no problem. Also will there be a Black Version of the PS5. I also need moreinformation os this 3D sound system they've come up with. I still need to know if this new 3D sound is going to work with my $3000.00 Dolby Atmos sound system ?
@Makina Oh yeah, Microsoft's PR spin on Sony having exclusives is 100% because they know they have nothing ready for at least 2 years.
Halo Infinite wont be ready at launch. Features like Ray Tracing etc are being patched in at a later date. Its clearly an Xbox One game being pushed to the X so they can say they have Halo at launch.
Most of the other games have dropped the xbox one logo at the end of their trailers, which tells me that they wont be out within the 2 year window Microsoft have touted (of no series x exclusives for up to 2 years).
Which all begs the question what people will be able to play (other than 3rd party stuff - and previously released titles through Game Pass).
Its increasingly clear that its all about Game Pass for Microsoft now. Halo is a live service game. Rumours abound that Fable will be some kind if MMO and with Forza dropping the number, many suspect that will also be a live service game.
Its undeniable that game service is great value, but the the direction isn't working for me i'm afraid
2021 is not a date. It's not even a "target release date". What's my birthday, you ask? 1982...give or take a few days
@Feena RE: the UI, I'll admit, I'm kind of hesitant to make the jump partially because I'm not excited about losing all of my cool PS4 themes. It's a small thing, but I really like system like the 3DS and PS4 that let you customize how the dashboard looks.
@Jaxx420 Do you really think Sony has been reactive? I don't see that at all. They seem to stick to their own path regardless of what the competition is doing...
Things I want to know between now and launch:
Notice I did not say anything about Xbox because they are a separate thing. If Sony wants to compare/contrast/spar with them fine, I don’t care. I can understand others who are trying to choose between the two might want that, but I think that’s a small number of people. I just want deets and I want them now!
@Tharsman I'm totally expecting "current gen visuals" for SpiderMM, it's a spin-off/standalone DLC of 2018 Spiderman IMO.
When i said it will be the ""big"" title for PS5 launch i was talking about Sony point of view, not mine. I totally prefer R&C or Demon's Souls as a TRUE, BIG launch title.
@get2sammyb @Cutmastavictory in the online space they have. PS2 online was.... not so good. PS3 they started to catch up with XBL. Now Game Pass and PS Now for me needs to catch up.
I should have been more specific. In terms of first party software its the other way around and they have always been ahead.
That is why I have always referred to a GP equivalent as the last piece of the puzzle.
Game Pass isnt for everyone. But it would be good for PS Now to get on a similar level.
@KratosMD Well, if Persona 6 comes out, you won't be playing that on Xbox.
@Medic_Alert
>Neither have shown why I should buy at launch.
>I want to see an example of this new level design
>I want to see Ray tracing in all its glory
>let digital foundry start comparing and contrasting approaches.
>the media with less Sony/MS control
You will probably need a couple of years after launch for all that.
>give me a reason to open my wallet and not wait 18 months like last time!
No, you should wait again anyways. I'm doing it too.
@Makina and those could make the launch a lot more appealing, but given neither even has a year on the presentation, they are not likely to ship until 2021 at best.
Totally agree I'm already sold on PS5, but Sony really need to open those flood gates and show us MORE!!!
@Medic_Alert the medium is third party and he was clearly taking about first party exclusives with the comment about the 2 year wait.
@Jaxx420 and I continue to disagree. Sony doesn't have to provide a day 1 type of service.
@Medic_Alert The Medium is not a first party Microsoft Studio game. Their promise is limited to their first party games, even second party offerings are not promised to be multi-gen.
Things will get murky if the rumors of MS acquiring The Medium and Scorn development studios end up materializing, though.
I actually don't agree with the first half of this article. Were they not paying attention, there was allot of game play footage shown in those trailers during the PS5 reel, but they only say here that:
"but we still haven’t seen much outside of a few minutes of Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart and an Astro’s Playroom demo."
Did they fall asleep or was I watching something else, lol. I'm just saying there was allot that was shown both CG and gameplay alike and I can't to see and learn more about the PS5 in the coming months.
Unless they were talking about functionality and features for the PS5? then scrap what I said above lol
@doctommaso same thing can be said about the PlayStation showcase.
@KratosMD Fair enough. Hopefully you are aware that Xbox won't have any Exclusives/new experiences for the first couple years.
If so, more power to you, and I hope you enjoy Gamepass. Personally though, I don't want to miss out on any of the PS5 exclusives. Gamepass does look like it could be decent value, but that's not enough for me to choose one console over the other.
@Cutmastavictory Subjective but fair play that is your opinion. Even Xbox with the option of a day 1 service dont always take the option up.
I see value in competing with that. But again I am also being subjective. Just opinions which in the gaming community are always wildly varied vs say Film or TV.
@Medic_Alert again: all first party games that only state Series X are titles everyone by now asume won’t release until 2022, the year MS already stated you should expect them to focus exclusively on the series x.
5 titles (taking your world and not going to count), over 2 years is not an insignificant number.
Also, cloud gaming is not a replacement to running games locally, but it is expected that all series x GamePass games will end up being playable on older Xbox One consoles over xCloud (the opposite to what Sony did with Now and PS3>PS4.)
I have seen games I want to play on PS5. I have games I want to see play on PS5 from PS4. The UI, PSplus or PSNow will not factor into my choice to buy PS5 day one. I have had PSplus for 10 years and PSnow for 6 months. If I continue to like them I will keep them if I don't I will cancel them. It's that simple!
I want to know the Price and when I can pre-order it.
@MysticFartRipper Scorn and The Medium are Series X console exclusives, and for anyone that has not owned an XBox One before, buying a Series X opens the doors to plenty of new experiences they might had missed out on this whole gen, as well as being the one likely way to play One/SeriesX games. Why buy a One S at this point, anyways? Might as well wait for Series X and play Halo Infinite there.
Tell me what I want to know now!! Blah blah blah tears streaming down his face
Sony don’t have to say or show or justify anything just look at the previous 2 gens.. look at the exclusives.. I’m sold anyways no matter what games are coming out
@Ralizah I got my 3DS set on wallpaper rotation, I love that.
And I feel like I leave my PS4 on sometimes just to listen to some of the themes music😂
@KratosMD https://wccftech.com/spencer-on-why-there-are-no-xbox-series-x-exclusives-were-putting-the-player-at-the-center/
That's fine though, I'm certainly not trying to bash you for your choice, and understand that times are tough for a lot of people, and may not be able to afford them.
My problem with Gamepass, as well as PSNow, or other similar services, is that they are always removing games randomly without warning(similar to Netflix with movies and TV shows). I'm also not a big fan of those subscription services, and would prefer to own the actual physical copy of my games. It might be an old way of thinking, but I'm not a big digital/stream game kind of guy.
Still though, I'm sure both consoles will be perfectly fine. I usually lean towards games, and I'm not really a Halo or Gears of War fan, so I usually lean towards Playstation.
@Medic_Alert “ if you say so. I just read what he actually wrote.”
This is what was said by Microsoft:
“As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC,[...]”
“We’re making the commitment to use Smart Delivery on all our exclusive Xbox Game Studios titles, including Halo Infinite[...]”
Emphasis mine. This was always about a two year window by Microsoft Game Studios titles.
Sony has to step up their game, even if most of the Xbox presentation was meh, because gamepass is serious competition. Psnow and plus just won't cut it in it's current form. Of course I'm fully on board with the ps5, but since the Xbox presentation I'm considering the gamepass for third party and indie games and only buy the PlayStation exclusives.
@Tharsman If people want to buy a next gen system to play last gen games, that's their choice, and I have no problem with that. Halo Infinite also looked like an Xbox360 game, but I do know a lot of people love their Halo and will buy the console for those games.
Either way, people can choose whatever they want.
@MysticFartRipper it’s true that it’s annoying when titles leave the service, but that’s why it’s important for any such service, even Netflix, to back it up with first party content. That is why GamePass has 10 million subscribers and PSNow only
2 million despite there being more PS4s out there. The service would go nowhere, though, if MS just added first party games after they milk the sales and anyone can buy the game for 20 or 10 bucks.
I also really don’t think GamePass hurts sales. Many devs have stated they actually see increased sales, and right now, the Halo Infinite reveal seems to have pushed Master Chief Collection to top selling XBox One game at Amazon, despite the whole thing being on GamePass.
BTW, Microsoft warns on GamePass. They have a “leaving soon” section on the front page for transparency. If you like digital purchases, MS tends to offer discounted sales on the final weeks of a game on GamePass, though, so anyone can just buy the game on a discount if you want to finish it or keep it forever. For what I see right now, the sales are not huge, but they are something.
@kyleforrester87 It's 99.99% coming for PS5 and XSX once it goes out of early access.
@KratosMD But those games will also be on PC as well, as will Gamepass. If you don't have a good enough PC, that's understandable, and I can see why one would choose the Xbox over PS5.
For me though, I feel a lot of people are only buying a new Xbox because of Gamepass. It almost seems like it's the only real selling point of the console, which again is fine, but isn't for me.
I completely agree. If they do a State of Play and do a deep dive on what they shown plus show one or two more big games they can put the nail in the coffin. Aside from the games I really want to see a UI presentation. I wanna see how my trophies are gonna look on the new hardware, lol.
@KratosMD
Game pass is currently good value but people need to understand there is no way a Netflix style gaming service offering AAA titles is going to be financially viable at current prices.
The service at best must break even financially although I suspect they lose money on it, but what happens if this service becomes the business model going forward after enough gamers are signed up?
Either prices steeply rise or as I suspect Xbox goes down the games as a service model with gamers paying for add on's and upgrades etc. And you can count out epic story driven campaigns with cutting edge visuals as that goes against the whole premise of games as a service.
Is this the future gamers want?! I certainly don't!
@Nickolaidas I might die before then.
@Captain_crash199 the PS4 currently has an attach rate of 8.76, and it’s been in the market for almost 7 years. This is roughly 1.25 game copies sold per console per year, translating to $75 a year (assuming every copy sold ever was launch price and not at discount price or those “million seller” editions that go for $20.)
Even at that case, a GamePass user is paying $120 a year for GamePass, $180 for GP ultimate. That’s more than double what they would make out of the average user.
This does mean that MS does have a limited budget to pay up-front secure rights for the rotating third party library, but still, they can potentially make a lot more money per user with GamePass than selling copies at store shelves, and that still is supplemental, they will very likely still sell copies the traditional way.
This is the same logic that keeps Netflix and music streaming services viable: consumers end up spending more over time than they would should they just buy their favorite thing yearly. The consumer gets to also experience more, and the producers get more money.
Point being: these services are indeed sustainable, often more so than simply selling copies, so expect more of them. EA already has had their own version for years with EA all access. Don’t be surprised to see UBPlay all access, or whatever they call their version, to show up on PS5 and XBox in the future.
I’m glad you’re finally calling Sony out on the lack of actual game footage. I’m not paying hundreds of dollars for cut-scenes.
Just how likely do you guys think this supposed leak of God of war 2 gameplay getting showcased is?
@Sinton sony dont need to win anything with more gameplay, Microsoft are already making sure sony win this gen. Spencer drops the ball time and time again.
@tameshiyaku
Idk. I wonder if people realise not every 3rd party game is going to be in gamepass. At the end of the day, unless you really are a fan of Ms 1st party, you will end up spending even more to buy the games you actually want in addition.
If sony do showcase God of war 2 gameplay as rumoured the next state of play then this gen will be over before it even begins. Adios ms.
@KratosMD in fairness mate people dont come on to a ps5 showcase thread, to talk about Greenpeace, global warming and deadly viruses. We all appreciate these problems exist ,but dont necessarily want or need to talk about them here. It's a miserable arguement for another day thread or website. Let's talk positively......
@KratosMD I've already accepted that this world is doomed.
@KratosMD that was my exact point?. Want does gaming have to do with pandemics and global warming? Weve gotta have some joy in our lives especially with miserable grim reapers like you around!!!! The guy you quoted was talking about gaming next gen. Doesn't make him a bad person. Hes only responding to the point of the topic. What do you want him to say " the future of gaming excites me, but let's get things in proportion covid 19 green peace and global warming are far more important!" I myself will be developing a vaccine and recycling my plastic on a regular basis whilst I await the next generation. Or is that besides the point of the topic?
I never thought I would see the words pandemic and global warming in a gaming thread LMAO!!!
Anyway, Spiderman Miles Morales and Cyberpunk 2077 will be day one purchased for me while I will wait for the review of AC Valhalla and Watch Dogs 2.
@Tharsman Yeah but that money is then offset by MS having to pay for each game on Game Pass. $120 a year split between hundreds of games so effectively each game is generating a few cents per user. With the traditional method, the $60 someone spends on a game goes to the devs and publisher of that game rather than being split between countless other games.
That's without taking into account that many people using the service take advantage of free months from various promotions or huge discounts so it's about 1$ a month for them. There's stuff like this from April which is the Ultimate Game Pass for $1, not just for a month but for however long your current XBL sub lasts for.
https://www.ign.com/articles/xbox-deals-get-xbox-game-pass-ultimate-for-1
I think Sony could afford to stay silent until after Microsoft's August event. Halo Infinite's gameplay reveal became a "bad graphics" meme and the vast majority of other games didn't have a release year so could be like 2022 onwards.
Sony should still be cautious though as the biggest deciding factor for next gen is still yet to come, the price.
@Matroska all devs get paid an up-front fixed amount even if no one plays their titles on GamePass (although if the title does not get enough engagement, MS is unlikely to offer a renewal.)
After that up-front amount (that at least the CrossCode dev has stated was more than enough for them) they get extra payment based on engagement.
The Live to GamePass upgrade is up to MS to decide how they account for, but anyone in the program gets paid as agreed regardless. How MS moves the credits from Gold Live to Game Pass is up to them and their own internal book-keeping, but no one pays 1 dollar for Game Pass for anything more than a month. Upgrades from Live to GP already paid.
@KratosMD infact. If you find the fact people are talking about the future of gaming, rather than global pandemics and global warming so "APPALLING " Then what in gods name are you doing in this chat in the first place!?!. Surely you should be saving all of mankind working as as a virologist...
@BrainHacker hoping demon souls might make launch too?
@KratosMD @Jarobusa I'm not sure how you can say that. If anything, XBox is the company that has provided the same experiences over and over (Forza, Halo, Gears, rinse and repeat); that may change now that Microsoft has invested in other studios, but how many of the games are actually going to be quality titles is questionable — whereas Sony has a history of very high quality first and second party titles. And I'd say the PS5 games are likely well ahead of where the XBox games are, based on the showcases (12 PS5 games with gameplay, 2 XBox). I love Game Pass for the chance to try out indie games and second tier AA/AAA titles I'd never buy otherwise, but I'd never pick XBox OVER Playstation — especially not after seeing these two conferences. But as I said, I hope it works out for you and you enjoy it.
@nessisonett That's hilarious. Except for Halo infinite which looked terrible. All they showed were cinematic teaser trailers that aside from being unimpressive gave no idea what the game would be like. In edition they showcased like 4 or 5 current gen games. The event was so bad even dominoes pizza mocked them.
@Exlee300p Yeah, it’s hilarious that I have an opinion. STALKER is one of my favourite games of all time so a sequel being announced made my day and Bloober Team’s game looked brilliant too. I’m not buying an Xbox, I have a PC so it’s more seeing if I can save £500 by not bothering with a PS5 and just keeping my subscription to Game Pass instead of having to fork over £50 every time I want a game on PS5.
@KratosMD Which is exactly what I have been saying game pass would do. Lower the perceived value of games to it's customers. Games take many years and millions of dollars to make and now Mucrosoft is essentially giving them away. I myself like to support my hobby and the developers who make the games I love. I have no problem paying 60 bucks to do that. That's why I think Ps Now is better. First of all you get almost 1000 games, over 100 downloadable now. Secondly instead of devaluing games by giving multiple new release 60 dollar games away for 9.99 to 14.99 a month, you are putting a spotlight on some slightly older as well as independent games. So instead of devaluing games Ps Now is reinvigorating interest in them.
Any chance of Elden Ring at this showcase?
@KratosMD
Why are you here on a gaming site when you could be out collecting trash and saving the dolphins?! No, you choose to sit on your ass and chat about games. I hope you won't be buying a next gen console and will instead give that money to Greenpeace if you don't than that's absolutely appalling. Are you for real mate?!
And Game Pass does affect the future if gaming if it's the business model of the future. You're gonna see games like the 10 year long Halo Infinite with developers making money from selling expansions and cosmetic items to boost profit. And single player blockbusters will be a thing of the past as they won't make financial sense. That's something that concerns all gamers.
An interesting upload on the subject here
https://youtu.be/K2HSnhEP7GA
It will be. They still have the UI, share capabilities, possible improvements to PS+ and/or PS Now and so much more secrets to talk about. Hell that isn’t even the games with the likes of God of War 2 and Call of Duty 2020 expected
I'm happy with the game reveals so far and don't feel as much like I really need to see extended demos. It'd be nice, but I've seen enough to be interested already. More games are always good though.
What I really want to know is what it's going to be like to be a PS5 owner. I want to know more about the controller (that video from Geoff Keighley was dire - need something more pro than that), and the UI, any new features and perks, sharing stuff, changes to PS Plus/PS Now/PSVR, extra entertainment options etc - all that cool extra stuff. The ecosystem, walled-garden, whatever you want to call it.
It's nearly August. We don't know how much it's going to cost, when we can preorder, what games it's launching with, or when it releases. Just like Microsoft, we've gotten little more than a ton of trailers, a little gameplay, and a bunch of "wait and see". This this is launching (probably? i don't know) in 3 MONTHS. the next event needs to be informative and SOON. there are going to be a lot of pissed off people if they wait much longer AND make it impossible to find a ps5 at launch...whenever that is.
@Exlee300p if Game Pass continues to do well, Sony is going to create a service JUST like it lol. Hell, they probably will announce changes to PS Now which will make it much more akin to Game Pass. 10 million subscribers is a lot, but Sony is probably aware it would have more, with a similar service dedicated to legacy Playstation games.
@nessisonett I think you might be one of the few with that viewpoint. I think a lot of people felt that Xbox completely missed the boat with their showcase, and being someone that never likes to follow the masses for the sake of it, I still happen to agree with that statement.
As per usual the problem Microsoft often makes is that they don't know their demographics wants and needs and therefore are way off base.
Sony, for the most part are hugely in touch with the gaming community, and it shows. When their hardware is outperforming Xbox by nearly 3 consoles sold to 1, I'm amazed that Microsoft haven't taken huge steps to rectify their approach. I still feel like their plodding along, hoping that their statistics of the new console will do the talking for them. Unfortunately for them, I don't think it will.
@playstation1995 huh???
@armondo36 Sony will never put it's first party new releases day and date on Ps Now. Never. And you can mark my words on that! They realize like I do that that devalues them. Sony unlike Microsoft doesn't have to essentially bribe people to their side, because they have taken the time to create a diverse stable of game developers which they have nurtured to become some of the best in the industry. Sony is also a company that is thought of highly in eyes of consumers as it is known for quality and innovation. The playstation brand in particular is number 2 in how highly it is thought of among it's customers. Xbox has none of that. It continues to disappoint it's player base year after year. Which is why it gives away it's new realeases so cheaply.
@Exlee300p well no of course not, it's much more likely to be a collection of legacy Playstation games (ps1-4), featuring especially rare games. Sony has such an unbelievably deep back catalog that being able to play the dozens of games you missed would be a good value.
@Cornaboyzzz Agree with you here.... Sony is already ahead in my book. Having a state of play or any other media release will finish the job and keep them on top imo.
@KratosMD I get what you are saying. Persona 5 Scramble is coming out on PS4 and Switch and Persona 5 is probably a couple of years away. If Microsoft did a deal with SEGA that would be big.
@Grindagger MS make such high profit margins across thier Azure and software divisions gaming gets pushed down the pecking order a bit. Gaming in regards to software and services is profitable for them but it's small change compared to the other divisions.
@nessisonett Xbox had some nice reveals thats for sure i just hate that console launch nonsense call it what it is timed exclusive. One thing is certain for me its going too be a PS5 under the TV.
@Exlee300p I agree with you on that. Putting everything on a gamepass is waste. If its all gonna be cheap they will need too it corners. Maybe some MT, seasonpasses, lootboxes, liveservice yeah lets not do that Sony.
@KratosMD I do see a trend with MS firstparty stuff it always has some kind of MP or other way to squeeze some extra cash out of the consumer. I like my games finished without all that crap liveservice, gambling, MT, seasonpasses, boosters. For me gamepass is a dangerous thing that may affect the genre and games i like. And excuse me for caring about something else then all the crap of the world all the time and every time.
@Tharsman
Music streaming services are still not profitable and Netflix has more subscribers than PSN and Xbox live members combined.
The gamepass model will see lots of multiplayer focussed titles with long lifespans like the upcoming halo Infinite. There's no way big budget single player games will get a look in with such a business model as it's not financially viable.
Also, looking at gamepass most of the games are cheap filler or oldies that can be picked up new or second hand for barely nothing. Most gamers have a backlog of games I sure know I do and I don't have time to waste playing average titles I'd rather spend my time playing games I really want to experience.
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