Topic: Official Push Square Xbox Thread

@CaptD @render

I do think people are starting to wake up. People on PureXbox are quite annoyed today, on the whole. The turn around between lie/promise and truth coming out/promise broken is getting to be so fast people haven't forgotten about the initial lies 😅

And each department has told so many lies in public that they can't keep track of which one is supposed to be true each week

@Ravix About the only thing that I think made some sense was the re-orginisation of the 'tier' structure.

The Game Pass Console tier - which basically nobody subscribed to because it didn't have Online Access so a lot of content in Game Pass was 'useless', it would offer Day 1 games but would also require Game Pass Core too to play online. Game Pass PC or Game Pass Cloud doesn't require a 'online' Subscription. Now 'Standard' is ditching Day 1 but including Game Pass Core. PC Game Pass can't charge for Online access so instead Get Day 1 and only need 'Ultimate' if they choose to play on Cloud/Console too. Console gamers can Subscribe to ultimate for Day 1, play anywhere and EA Access.

The way I see it, its now more akin to Sony's PS+
PS+ Essential/Game Pass Core - offers Online access and 24-36ish Games - Sony's are offered monthly and MS's are always available but will get rotated out.
PS+ Extra/Game Pass Standard - offers a large Collection of old and 'newer' games but won't get the big First Party AAA games Day/date (nothing to say either won't offer indies or some 3rd party games day/date, maybe Online games with other monetisation built in - like Season passes etc) but neither offer their biggest 1st party games day/date.

The 'Premium/ultimate' tier is different in that Sony offers PS1-PS3 titles where as MS will offer Day 1 new Releases. You do get Game Pass PC, Game Pass Cloud and EA Access too with Ultimate but its the 'top' tier in both Services and more tailored to each individual platform holder.

I'm not happy about the Price increase either - especially after it went up relatively recently and they did say they wouldn't put prices up. We all know though that you can shop around to get 'better' prices than stated. PS+/Game Pass Core is now $10 a month on BOTH, although Sony say 1 yr is $80 as MS have raised their annual $60 price to $75. PS+ Extra and Xbox 'Standard' are both $15 a month and now PS+ Premium is no longer the most expensive at $18 a month as 'Ultimate' will now be $20 a month instead of $15.

So whilst I am NOT happy with the Price increase, it would still seem to be in-line with the Market Leader (as in Sony). Game Pass Core and Standard have the same monthly cost, Game Pass Standard and PS+ Extra have the same monthly cost and neither offer 1st Party Big releases day date and their Premium sub services is where they differ - one offering really old games, the other offering new releases day/date but slightly more expensive a month.

Again NOT justifying MS's price increases but trying to put it into perspective. You can often shop around and/ort find loopholes to get things cheaper on both platforms so I'm only comparing based on both Sony and Microsoft's own Blog posts on pricing. Therefore I can't see Sony raising prices to 'fall in line'.

I've also been seriously considering not buying the 'next' gen of Consoles as PC's don't charge for any 'online' access negating the need for any monthly Subscription. You don't 'need' to buy an Xbox because all their games are released day/date on PC anyway and Sony seem to be releasing all their games on PC, some day/date too. You can save $75-80+ a year on not requiring PS+/GPC just to play some games at all because of 'online' access required. Instead of spending $1k+ on both Consoles, invest in a new GPU or CPU and get better performance than either Console offers. OK so you may have to wait to play the next Spider-man or God of War game on PC, but you'll have 1000's of other games - many of which won't be on the next Xbox/Playstation consoles and can play on the go to with Handheld PC's

So after Microsoft’s decision earlier this year to release their first party games on PlayStation and now paywalling their first party releases day-and-date behind an additional Gamepass tier on Xbox at $20 per month… it’s about time I’ve finally seen the light and see the error of my assumptions… Gamepass clearly is profitable, what a fool I’ve been 🥸

Quite disappointed by today's news. Game Pass for Console was a huge appeal for me because of the day one releases. The question is now if new releases will come to Standard after a year or so. In that case, the best option for me is to wait for new releases in order to play as many of them as possible during one month for the cheapest option. Unless it's a game I really want to play. Simply put, all this does is make me more selective of which day one releases I want to subscribe to play for. I'll probably pay for Ultimate just to play Indiana Jones since it's still cheaper than buying the actual game. But €20 is a lot of money just to rent one game. If the experience is worth it, then I'll most likely pay that amount.

@LtSarge yeah, it means sub numbers could decrease quite significantly for large parts of the year as people make decisions similar to this. And then MS bosses will slap Phil again and force more cuts or reduce budgets for gaming division, or punish the user base again. But if you want to be the netflix of gaming that was always going to be a risk, it's basically digital capitalism, and numbers can only go so high before they crash down. And at some point the content to value ratio reduces for everyone that signs up anyway.

I know I will get whatever value I can from Ultimate until there is nothing of interest coming up, and then simply stop. So maybe 1/2 years, and evaluate what else is coming, whilst making my way through stuff that's on there already.

@colonelkilgore
I can't believe you ever doubted it.

@LtSarge
tbh I look at this slightly differently, and this might (i.e. Is) the intention and that is to boost sales of games on the platform either by people buying the game rather than waiting or most likely (imo) that people will simply cancel GP and go back to the old way of buying games. I think both situations will help Xbox make money and publishers make money and more importantly bring their games to Xbox.
So I think it is good for future of Xbox although bad for consumers who wanted a GP cheapish future unless you go PC and then Xbox look at you differently.

@LtSarge Well they did have Game Pass for Console ONLY that did offer Day 1 games before, but everyone went for the higher tiered 'Ultimate' option because Game Pass Console didn't have 'Gold' included in that price. At the time you had Gold (which became Game Pass Core), Game Pass (for PC, for Console, for Cloud - each with Day 1) and the Game Pass Ultimate which combine everything into 1 sub.

Now the Game Pass 'Console ONLY' tier has changed to include Game Pass Core for online access but has substituted that in for Day 1 releases. If you subscribed to Game Pass for Console, you'd still need to also then subscribe to Game Pass Core otherwise games like Sea of Thieves, Forza, Halo etc would be limited in content if playable at all. So Game Pass Console didn't include the benefits of the tier below when they changed Gold to Game Pass Core.

Arguably this restructure is just bringing it in line with Sony's PS+ Sub model - certainly in pricing now. Sony's PS+ Essential is $10 a month - so is Game Pass Core, Sonys PS+ Extra is $15 a month So is Game Pass Console - neither offering their big First Party releases Day and Date. Game Pass Ultimate is $20 where as Sony's Premium Tier is $18 but that will get you Day 1 games on Xbox but only PS1-PS3 games on Sony's hardware.

I don't know if PS+ Essential/Game Pass Core members will opt to pay more for Extra/Console for a large range of older games or whether Ultimate subscribers will now opt for a lower tier - sacrificing Day 1 for a 'cheaper' option. In the UK for example, Ultimate is going by £2 a month.

At the end of the day, these Sub services are optional although I do think PS+ Essential/Game Pass Core are necessary to play every Game and/or mode released on Console. Any tier above that is pretty much down to individual choice/preference - would you rather put that money into 2 or 3 big new releases every year or rather have access to '100's' of games that are only playable whilst you stay Subscribed - inc 'Day 1 releases' on Ultimate? Its not as if those games are 'exclusive' to ANY Sub Service and you have a 'choice' of how to access these days - regardless of whether you play on Playstation or Xbox

With the basic tier, you get a small handful of games you can play, but arguably you feel forced to Subscribe for access to content you paid to play. With the next tier up, the newest games are available to buy but you can wait for them to come to that Sub service to play or use it as a way to play games you missed at launch. Its only the Premium tiers now that are 'different'.

This list holds up quite well. A couple of titles here I would recommend.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CvgOBmyrBF4&t=278s

Soooooo, as rumours suggest Avowed (and Indy) could be delayed until 2025, how long until people realise this is just another foul tactic 🫠

They don't want to be giving away games to people still on the lower cost subs, do they 😅 the rumour even hints that the Avowed delay is not going to be development related, they just feel it would be better not to put it on game pass at a "congested time"

Drag it out and delay everything as late as possible and hope people keep paying for those subs until the games actually, eventually come out

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

@Ravix this is news to me, do you have a source?

edit. I’ve just found a few articles about it actually, so no worries linking a source 👍

@colonelkilgore the Avowed rumour is on various gaming sites. Purexbox for one. I think the Indy one is purely people speculating, which is why I bracketed it, but maybe because they've not heard much yet and it's already August, I guess 😅

Edit: seen your edit.

It feels so weird to delay a game that isn't necessarily targeting sales, and isn't going to influence game pass subs on its own anyway. Like, they can just release it any time it's ready and it will be available on game pass "forever", regardless.

Such a weird company. You think they'd want to stack their game pass content to line up with their new ps5 colour scheme console release, and the holiday season, to target new customers with a sense of great value in investing in the platform at that time. And once they invest in it, they might stick around.

The slow drip feed tactic will surely just pi$$ off current customers without gaining any new. Which to be fair to purexbox commentors, it seems to be doing just that 😂😂

@Ravix well certain people… ahem ambassadors 🤣… have perfected their damage control so well by now that they could probably cope with both games being cancelled even and still whataboutism Sony into the matter to take the L! 🤡s

@colonelkilgore
I took your initial comment as scarasm as what @Ravix is saying fits Xbox business mo down to a tee.
Same as when they put the price up just before they had something (Starfield) to actually release and then when they are about to release COD the price goes up again.
It isn't rocket science to suggest that they will delay releases in order to prevent people binging on content and then cancelling, of course the best thing is to play it like you play Netflix and wait for a decent amount of titles then sub for a month. Or better still don't sub at all, or if you do then do it on PC.

It feels so weird that Microsoft is burning away all the goodwill it's built up since 2013 with the Xbox One fiasco. It finally looked like they were in a good position with its consumers but that has been ruined now. My theory is that the acquisition of ActiBlizz was so large that Phil and the rest lost their autonomy and now the bigwigs at Microsoft are directly managing Xbox as they expect great returns from it. So now Xbox has become completely corporate as Phil's hands are tied, which is why we're seeing so many anti-consumer moves from Xbox.

I'm just glad that we still have PlayStation and Nintendo.

I definitely feel you there. It doesn’t feel like they’re making an effort to tap into the core console audience anymore. The combination of GP price increases + GP being on Samsung/Amazon TVs + extremely poor console sales is very alarming.

@CaptD it might’ve been… maybe… perhaps 🤔

@Yousef- Yeah, the future doesn't look good for Xbox. Series X could be my last Xbox console as I've been playing way more on my PS5. It's just so annoying having to wait such a long time for anything noteworthy to come out on Game Pass. It doesn't help either that some games have been delayed. Playing Hellblade II a couple of months ago didn't give me much satisfaction either.

And just to clarify, I know that it's taking a long time for first-party titles on PlayStation to come out as well. But Xbox has now what, 40 studios? They should be releasing way more games than PlayStation based on that.

There’s a lot going against MS as of right now. I’ve cancelled my GP sub because I don’t feel quite comfortable with it anymore. They have a “one dollar deal” every year but I’d rather not let it seap through my cracks and nudge me towards a monthly sub again. I’ve also been struggling to change my Microsoft security info and change my email since the current email associated with my Xbox is dead and as such I wouldn’t be to transfer my digital library.
And even if I could, I no longer see myself comfortable purchasing a new game system anywhere around the next 2-3 years (where I expect a new system being revealed), as the current direction the hardware industry as whole (not just consoles) suggests a general price increase in more stuff, newer things will be harder to afford for me in the future day 1 and I’d have to look harder for cheaper alternatives given my own current situation.

And even if I could, theoretically, get the new Xbox, I’d have so little use for it thanks in large to the current direction the industry is heading suggesting that 10th gen is not only likely to have a lot of its games be cross-platform, thus no longer necessitating a new piece of hardware, and I’d likely already have a backlog to fall back to anyhows. I find myself purchasing and installing 360 titles more often due to their small sizes not affecting my internet speed and 7th gen being a gen I’m generally fond of if I may speak on a personal note there. Even if that may be and series gets less crossgen 3rd party releases, I could always just buy a ps5 or the new switch. Those are definitely guaranteed to get supported longer.

@LtSarge and choosing to delay games that are ready to release just to try and eek out that little bit more from customers is just a super d*ck move.

Delaying a game that people buy doesn't really change anything cost related, but can help with its sales if timed right, but delaying to a subscription service definitely messes with the customers

I hope people vote with their wallets