Topic: The TV Show Thread

Oof gave a long response with spoiler tags but then nothing was hidden when I hit post. so that sucks. I'll come back to this when i feel like retyping all that again lol.

Was gonna post a picture here but thought better of it because I guess it's kinda mildly spoiler-ish. So it's in the art thread.

I really liked the third series of Stranger Things.

The first was excellent as something new and brilliantly acted. The second was still really good but dragged a little. The third kept it interesting having multiple parallel stories so it didn’t feel like it was being dragged out.

Holy bloody smokes, the newest episode of WandaVision. I just want to talk about it but I really don't want to spoil it. I am glad I got to watch it when it came out though, this is definitely the sort of spoiler that's will be all over the net before the end of tomorrow.

@ralphdibny Yeah, I got spoiled because a certain character’s name was trending hours before I watched it. It’s such a good reveal as well!!!

@nessisonett my jaw just dropped, I couldn't believe it! I've been looking for a new comics news site for a while now but I think I'm sort of glad I hadn't found one just yet because that sort of moment in a show is just one you won't get back.

I guess I'm lucky I only go on PS, PX and NL!

Yeah, WandaVision is getting pretty interesting. And now after episode 5, I feel silly for thinking Elizabeth Olsen was just giving up on trying to speak in a Slavic accent, as now it’s evident the character Wanda speaks like an American while playing her part in her “show” life and went back into her Sokovian accent when she breaks character and left the bubble. So it was a conscious decision to sound differently I guess.
But anyways, it’s a good show. I wonder how they’ll keep it going.

@Th3solution I wish she just dumped the accent. I thought Supergirl’s Red Daughter Russian accent was bad but Elizabeth Olsen takes the cake!

@Th3solution honestly I always thought they dropped the accent in the films because it sounded a bit rubbish. I've read recently that their offscreen but in universe explanation for dropping the accent was that Black Widow was teaching her accents to be a better spy or something, maybe because she was off the grid after Civil War. I didn't think it was a huge deal that they dropped the accent because she doesn't have much dialogue in Age of Ultron anyway. I think it sounds a lot better when she uses it in this show though.

Aparently when they were devising the accent, they were trying to create one that was a good fit for Olsen's natural American accent and Taylor-Johnsons natural English accent which is why it kind of sounds fake and unnatural. I think they said the settled on an accent that was somewhere between Bulgarian and Slovakian

@nessisonett @ralphdibny Yeah, I guess the fact that the country of Sokovia is fictional means that the accent doesn’t have to sound pure, but it just comes across inconsistent to me. She kind of wavers in and out of it even in the movies. Either way, WandaVision has really endeared me to the Wanda character (and the actress Olsen) much more than the movies did.

So having caught up on WandaVision, I have to give it credit; I really wasn't expecting that. Not sure what this means for the future though. Like, more broadly. Because it'll be kinda disappointing if it, well, doesn't mean much. But that seems doubtful.

And as accents go in the MCU i kinda find the Wakanda one the most off-putting, if only because it's an entire cast of characters doing their own version of this fictional, albeit slightly African accent. Black Panther is great, don't get me wrong, but the accent situation is a little odd. Not sure of any viable alternatives to be fair.

WandaVision is simply amazing

I'll admit my interest in Wandavision has grown with each episode. I'm definitely curious where they are going with it, especially with that final shock/twist/reveal. I wonder if this will finish just when the Falcon and Winter Soldier (might have to start referring to this as FWS or something) starts.

Also I found the theme tune to episode 5 kinda catchy.

Oh boy... Gina Carano. What a way to ruin a good thing. I can respect a person having their own opinions — I would never deny them that right. But it appears she has taken things too far and got on the bad side of not only her employer but also the fan base at large. Such a rapid fall from grace.

Here’s hoping Mandalorian Season 3 is still as entertaining without her.

@Th3solution It’s crazy that it’s taken this long. She’s been airing rubbish that goes way beyond personal views for years now. For her to compare taking flak for supporting Trump to the Holocaust though, that’s career-ending. Good riddance.

@nessisonett @Th3solution yeah she was going out of her way to be, I don't even know what... conservative-edgy or something. Idk but it got hard to watch the episodes she was on.

As mentioned, people are allowed their views. I'm generally okay with that. Lord knows Bill Burr says all kinds of stuff I would think would exclude him from a Disney gig but he's in the show all the same. Which is good because maybe we've reached a point where people can be human and flawed and make jokes and only get fired after some truly egregious comments. Or a pattern of behavior.

One other thing. Was she legit that much of a fan favorite in the beginning? I thought she was meh from the gate but everywhere I read about her the outlet acts like she was the greatest thing since sliced bread at first.

That's a shame, I really liked her character in Mando and she had a good chemistry with Pedro Pascal. I don't tend to pay much attention to what celebrities say or do outside of acting/playing their sport etc. Unless they have done something illegal or so bad it can't be repeated, I'm usually oblivious to it all! 😅

Yeah, I don’t typically follow celebrity entertainers personal lives and public discourse much either. I had heard she was an anti-masker and of course that made me raise an eyebrow, but didn’t know the extent of her social media rants. Of course the Holocaust metaphor was the final straw, and it almost seems like she was seeing how far she could push things. The irony is that her character and her whole image seemed to me rather feminist and empowering for women; She plays a strong woman with a very different appeal than Hollywood’s usual output, and I think that’s why she attracted some early rabid fandom. I’m sure she’ll find a small corner of entertainment (probably will be something like going back to her WWE roots or something) but I don’t think a major outlet will touch her for a while, given the vocal extreme right-wing and insensitive nature of her public opinions. Again, she’s entitled to have a belief system, I’m all in favor of separating the artist from the art like someone else on here said on another thread, but she’s just learned that there’s a consequence to airing controversy repeatedly.

I guess I can see that. Though I'm not sure why it always has to be a choice between these two opposite poles - hulking MMA/WWE type or supermodel but I should probably just appreciate the effort they made and can it already.

@RogerRoger And yeah, some of her appeal may have come down to how invested one was in the show too. Since I'm basically just there because of my spouse and to see baby yoda, I wasn't keyed into much of the backstory or character chemistry for that matter.

Anyway I went to sleep having just found out Pedro Pascal is gonna be Joel which bummed me out because I just don't see it (and it also makes me wonder what in the world they're gonna do with Tommy and Sarah) but I thought on it over some coffee this morning and eh, they probably could have done worse. First world problems anyway.

Problem is social media. Comparing anything to Nazi Germany is stupid, but so is firing someone because of a tweet or because the toxic part of the fandom doesn’t like her because of her political views. Once again we also see the popular republican being complete Hippocrates again. Republicans hated how dems and anti trumpers compared Trump to Hitler which is also a terrible thing to do. But now that the democrats are in office it seems that comparing them to Nazi’s is fine. 😔 I just freaking hate politics. It’s going to get to a point where every movie is going to have complete Rep or Dem casts because no one can deal with having someone disagree with them.

My final position is she shouldn’t have been fired but what she said was very much so out of line.

It wasn’t just because of public outcry that Gina Careno was fired. She was openly malicious and tone-deaf about trans people and Pedro Pascal’s sister came out as trans literally yesterday. I can’t imagine it would be easy on set with her in the first place, never mind with the crazy stuff she was saying about something that close to Pedro. He tried on Twitter a while back to explain rationally and level with her but she wasn’t having it. At this point it would be like Spurs signing David Icke, the controversy overshadows the actual part to the point it just isn’t worth it.