Topic: The Music Thread

@Metonymy Thats def in my top 5 for fave guitar tones in-studio. My fave guitar tone in-studio is from an album that was solid to me at the time, but doesn't even sniff my faves and I'm not real high on the band. I like choice songs. But I just can't deny dialed in guitar tone. But bro, Whitesnake, self titled album their 7th studio album, aka the 1987 album. With still of the night, here i go again etc. Man the F'in guitar tone on the song Still of the night is as mighty as it gets. Just IMO of course. Those amps growl so freakin hard on that record, that the riffs themselves on that song aren't really all out metal, but the guitar tone growl's so angry that the song sounds Heavy as F. Esp in the intro. Its brief and just two chords, they let the 2nd chord sustain for a bit. When the 2nd chord is sustaining that tone and growl is so F'in mean. Its Murderers of all murderers mean!

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@Metonymy The F'ing growl man!!!

@StitchJones So awesome, man! I don’t know if you’re familiar with ‘Billy Talent’ at all, but Ian D’sa (probably my favourite guitarist) does some amazing things with tones, pushing his strat to the limits.

@Metonymy I just checked out Sleepwave, I've heard 'Through the Looking-glass' before and never once made that connection. It's probably because I heard their music but never watched their videos. I think it's because there's a band called Dire Straits and I thought their music was so good. I perhaps had feelings for the vocalist's voice it was smooth like butter in Sultans of Swing. Then one day I decided to look and he looked nothing like I expected. It's not the best reason but I found it easier to focus on the lyrics/language than get distracted by the visual, except for Roy Khan. He is something else, then he quit Kamelot. His reason was the insomnia from touring, which I one hundred percent understand. The last I heard he found God/Christ but if I remember correctly it's more like he believes in God but not organized religion.

I sort of found God and by extension maybe Christ last year. I'm not even sure how, I don't attend church or anything like that. I just decided that maybe I better pray before bed and then did it. It might sound silly but 'Dear God if you are up there, can you help me sleep tonight? thanks' actually helps. Then I decided to try some music related to God/etc and some of it stuck. No one told me to, it just happened one day. That's why I stopped listening to bands like Kreator and I'd seen them live so many times. I sort of pushed a lot of Norwegian Black Metal off to the side too because psychologically it didn't seem to be a good fit and we were moving them off the roster anyway. Then I think I'd listened to so much Flyleaf that Spotify said 'here try this' and it was all God/Christian type music. It was kind of peaceful, I saw my mood lift and decided that 'well maybe there's something to this'. I don't know about the distribution side of that genre I've only ever worked with the Rock/Metal side. It does make sense that there would be a kind of push or funding by certain groups. It's a little tricky because the music is sometimes very good but once I run the lyrics through my mind and fully grasp the music it seems to be very 'give yourself one hundred percent to God' but my mind already says 'give yourself one hundred percent to your Partner' so maybe God can have the Soul side and He can have the rest.

I just can't deny that when I did find and listen to that music it helped, like Ravix said sometimes things in life aren't perfect and music gets you through. It came into my life at the exact point I needed it, maybe that's how God/Christ works too.

This is the song that stood out the most. I just saw it as 'hey he's right Christ did come and something changed'. I'm torn because 'every song I'll sing for you' okay but 'if you get married will you sing a song for your wife?' it's just hard to understand wanting to give everything to Christ/God, I can't imagine Christ/God would want you to give everything to him, but I'm not religious so I don't know. I just heard some of those lyrics and unlike most English songs I didn't have to stop and make that translation, it was right there, automatic. I can deny a lot of things but not that song and not that moment and I still pray at bedtime to this day, something good happened.

I mentioned Billy Talent tonight to Ravix. A gamer in Canada introduced them to me, as soon as I saw that hair I knew it was Billy Talent. Rusted by The Rain and Afraid of Heights (both versions) are some of my favorites of theirs.

@Ravix I've heard Tiger's Jaw somewhere before but can't place them, the pizza reminded me. It's weird how you are finding these Essex bands, I haven't listened to Alakaline Trio in so long. I'll share my favorite of theirs it's from Crimson and the Underworld Evolution soundtrack.

@GirlVersusGame Thanks for sharing that! Without getting too deep into the weeds on a public forum (sometimes folks are understandably sensitive to this type of talk and I’m really not trying to ruffle any feathers here), my personal understanding is: We are selfish by nature. Love is selfless. God is love. When we love people, we are a conduit for that love. Theologically speaking, because of our selfish (sinful) nature, we are incompatible with a holy (set apart) creator, thus Christ was sent to pay the price for us to make us compatible with a God who is holy. It all sounds a bit crazy and I wouldn’t expect it to make sense to everyone but that’s what makes sense to me.

At the end of they day, if a song resonates with you, for whatever reason, then it’s enriching your life and that’s probably a good thing 😄
Glad to hear Billy Talent’s music has reached around the world. They are a unique voice in rock and a real ‘band’ in the truest sense of the word. Alexisonfire has been mentioned here recently and interestingly, their drummer, Jordan Hastings, has filled in for Aaron Solowoniuk while he battles multiple sclerosis.

@Metonymy That's actually a lovely way of thinking about God too. It's four in the morning so I better sleep but my understanding of God is at some point there was an explosion of consciousness (the big bang) then as it became aware it yearned to learn through that expansion, I see us as sparks of that creative force and when we meet that same original resonance or frequency we move back towards that center, ultimately love is how we get there and free will is the gift that allows us to do that, I think we have to row the boat of ecstasy through those experiences back to God. So at it's heart it's a journey but it's up to the individual to put the work in, I think it starts with loving yourself because if you are incapable of doing that then you will struggle to do the same for others. I see prayer more as a lost art of communication than something forced by rhetoric, that way prayer becomes personal - and just between the person and God.

Billy Talent have played a lot of European shows, but it was a Canadian who put me onto them.

My high e string broke recently, so I've been playing on five for the past few days. Oh, and the input jack for my bass also just sort of..fell off. I've been having poor luck recently when it comes to music.

As for listening, I discovered Gwen Mars earlier this week. Another to add to my endlessly expanding '90's grungy shoegaze rock. Shame they seem to have only been one hit wonders.

@GirlVersusGame I checked their discography and the only ones I've heard are "Placebo", "Without You I'm Nothing" and "Black Market Music", but will definitely check out their newer stuff as I reacquaint myself with them. Never heard of Escape the Fate, but I liked the song you posted so I will check them out as well.

@StitchJones Never heard of Flaw, but the two songs you posted were very good, so I'll check them out later, too

(and now I see there's another full page of posts in this thread that I will have to come back to later, want to give them my full attention)

@FuriousMachine 'Black Market Music' is one I'd forgotten. It had 'Spite and Malice', their cover album is good too they do a very good 'Running up that Hill'. Escape the Fate was Ronnie Radke's first band, after prison he formed Falling in Reverse. He's one of those rare artists who keeps adapting and maturing, it's impossible to know how he'll sound next but one of my favorites might be this. He even manages to slip some rap in, and it works.

Also I feel like this is a mix that everyone has heard, but if they haven't they really should. It's almost flawless.

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I'll keep this short (hahahahahahahahahhahahshsh, will I f***) maybe I should say i'll keep this non-structured, as i'm too delicate right now to re-read everything from yesterday, so I will just pluck the odd element and slap it down.

MTV unplugged and Seattle grunge mentioned. I actually had access to loads of old Nirvana CD's and recordings via older siblings so I did play a lot of Nirvana as a wee nipper. Some of my pre-high school music was pretty insane because of access to cd's, what a wonderful, shiny invention. I didn't really ever hear any Alice in Chains, unfortunately, so don't have a great reference to that. But if it's like the rest of the scene, then i'm sure it is as raw and emotional as the other stuff I like. Kurt had one of those raw and real voices, Eddie Vedder too. I referenced Into The Wild somewhere yesterday (I think? I might not have posted it) but Eddie Vedder provided the entire soundtrack for that movie and it fits so well to that whole story. Oh, man, Chris Cornell had some voice, too 😢 What was in the water in Seattle?

Did all the Seattle bands do Unplugged btw? Like was it primarily a Seattle scene thing? I may have to check them out, if so, as a way of experiencing them all in their purest, stripped back form. I've probably seen the Nirvana one a good few times.

I don't have a reference point to Killswitch, but l know people that liked them a lot. They got pretty popular for a time.

I kind of blanked on any more orchestral stuff. But Serj Tankian has one of those voices from thr few that I can recall doing orchestral stuff. Maybe my favourite voice in "rock/metal" for the sheer variation and rawness. What I do remember though is there is a YouTuber, a classically trained singer of some sort and they watch and analyse all kinds of alt singers voices and band's songs, and it is pretty fun to watch their reactions and thoughts on all these unique vocals in rock/metal/grunge etc who have no training and just pull s*** from their souls and their own influences.

The Charismatic Voice is the channel. And I just saw she analyses some of the MTV unplugged stuff, too. So there's your days vieiwing sorted.

(I will say, upon watching to check it is a thing I've seen before, that maybe she enjoys it a little... too much, at times 👀😂 the power of a good pair of headphones cannot be understated!) I'll slap a link for a random one, and you can check out the channel if you want. It's always funny when you know a specific part of a song is coming, too, so it's good to check out songs you know well.

I'll stick this comment in the music section migrating from the chit-chat and maybe re-engage my brain better later. (Okay, I didn't actually hit post this morning, just left a tab open and went to do Christmas stuff, so i'll actually post it now in whatever messy form I left it earlier 🙌)

@Mythologue My guy here has the album cover to white pony as his avatar pic. For my money, White Pony is easily the greatest Nu-Metal album ever. Just IMO. its all subjective. But from start to finish, that's pure masterpiece. There's a ton of elite albums in Nu-metal genre, but few compete front to back with White Pony. That's my long worded way of simply saying, "nice avatar" lmao

@GirlVersusGame WOW! I've not heard 'Burn' for ages 🥲 good choice. The first notes hit me quite hard just now, to be honest, and opened up my mind and flooded it with the whole album and every assossiated memory. Pretty intense 🫢 i'm glad I refrained from listening last night as i'd had a little drinky-poo and might have been, you know...

It is weird I haven't gone back to this album much. Only listening to their very early albums. I might give it a listen tonight, but I also might need moral support based on how that actually hit me quite hard.

I wanted to say. I quite liked how you put the stuff about faith etc with @Metonymy I can be known to sound quite anti-religion, anti-establishment and sometimes sound a little blasphemous, all those things (apologies if I do come across like that) but it is never avout an individual's faith, it is more how people have and continue to use that power over poeple for purely selfish or material gains or the manipulation of people, or pitting groups against each other. So what you said about organised religion kind of stood out. I actually use, or at least used to use music as a kind of spiritual release in a way, and from time to time would spend hours and hours in small groups listening to songs and breaking apart various artists words, the hidden meanings of their own beliefs and we would kind of discover and discuss our own interpretations and feelings on all things spiritual/philosophical based on all of those gathered experiences we could share from artists of different faiths and personal philosophies. Music is that powerful. I highly recommend sitting in a nice cozy room where you can just disregard everything other than the sounds, words and feelings and spend time with someone discussing all kinds of spiritual meaning from within music that has that kind of depth to it. Some artists have recurring semi-hidden themes that feature over and over throughout all their songs and it is really cool to discover them naturally in this way 😄

Ah, Linkin Park, too. It is amazing how globally popular they became with such a unique style. Chester Bennington another artist lost too young 😢

@StitchJones as you mentioned Nu-Metal I was going to add how it is amazing how big a movement that became and how I don't know if it would ever happen again the way people consume media now. The power of the music video leading to the consumption of full albums, massive tours, and Alt culture really bleeding into the mainstream of the time. 'Material-gain' pop and rap, and K-Pop are a little different and kind of fit in with the Tik-Tok dance and Instagram famous influencer culture of today. I can't imagine how the next generation of angsty bands comes about in quite the same way again

I'll have to go to the previous page for the other songs posted last night, so I'll send this reply now.

@Ravix @GirlVersusGame WOW! I've not heard 'Burn' for ages 🥲 good choice. The first notes hit me quite hard just now, to be honest, and opened up my mind and flooded it with the whole album and every assossiated memory. Pretty intense 🫢

It is weird I haven't gone back to this album much. Only listening to their very early albums. I might give it a listen tonight, but I also might need moral support based on how that actually hit me quite hard.

• It definitely brings me right back, I ended up listening to the whole album before bed. It didn't hit the same but I think I had less of an understanding of the language back than and I do now. That's another reason I tend to stay with those older albums, each listen gives me a new understanding. Also Spotify has a lyrics tab, sometimes it half ruins the meaning of the song because I had my own built up. Other times I appreciate the clarity.

'I'm glad I refrained from listening last night as i'd had a little drinky-poo and might have been, you know...'

This part, there's nothing wrong with letting out some emotions as long as you can control your surroundings and certain influences. That's more or less what I use a lot of music for, some men seem to lock those emotions away so long that when they do rise up in a person it's ten-fold, or it's converted to something more destructive. Better maybe to just let it out sporadically. That's what I was doing last night.

@GirlVersusGame I suppose if you have built up a meaning that is deeply yours it can still exist somewhere. Even if the words may have new meaning now, or if it only slightly changes the meaning, it doesnt mean that it was any less real for you personally at the time.

I was surprised, myself, when Hawthorne Heights didn't instantly bash my brain in with feeling yesterday. I distinctly remember some bad times and that album, but it didn't really trigger me when listening to some tracks. But I can still see myself looking out of a car window with this album pumping into my ears as i'm basically being taken far away from where I needed to be, and where I was needed. The blank feeling is a bit worrying. But my brain is kind of disengaged right now after starting this comment so genuinely I let too much time pass before coming back to finish it.

And I agree, there is nothing wrong with it, but alcohol can definitely enhance certain feelings so it was probably for the best. The fact 'Crimson' via 'Burn' flooded my memories more than I expected means that tonight maybe I find out some things when I give it a full listen. I'm almost detached and treating it scientifically or flippantly at the moment as i'm just chatting on here and have become a bit disconnected since starting this comment earlier, but we shall see.

And now, of course, there's this...

Maybe you're a vampire?

@Ravix I'm still surprised to see Underoath being mentioned after so long. The moment I saw that album I did a double take. I still remember the first night I discovered them, I listened to them until the sun came up. Then the next day sourced the rest of their albums. It should have made my ears bleed and it probably would have if it was only one singer, switching between vocalists like that was so unique. At first I thought it was just the one and it was mixed like that. Then I saw a video and there were two.

That's how far I've gotten with Underoath since then. I'm not sure I'll like their newer music and their first two albums are two of my all time favorites from any band. I skipped two specific albums because of their names.

Alcohol is tricky like that. I only drink when permitted and I haven't got the greatest tolerance for it so it's not something I'd casually do, thankfully. I kind of see it as amplifying current moods and even if it were a happy mood it could still push you to do something out of your control. I definitely understand the car window, I think though what's important is where you are now. I can understand this too 'brain is kind of disengaged' that's near word for word what the doctor said tonight only it was more like 'your internal clock is disengaged', then 'just don't swim, you could die'. Sage advice right there. I don't plan on falling asleep in water. I still think it's the light, usually I'd re-adjust in two days, it's been almost a week. I'll swing back into alignment once my Partner returns from his trip. Right now I can just swing from the chandeliers like the song, but obviously at home and sober. I think If only you were lonely is one of those ultra rare albums where every song featured is perfect, that's another reason it sticks. There's no skipping one particular track. I'm trying to think of other albums like that.

Razorblade Romance by H.I.M. that's one.
Finnish Goth/Metal band.

@GirlVersusGame you listened to them until the sun came up... but surely... the sun still sleeps👌(come on, i'm on good form here)

close my eyes, just for tonight

Do you think if we say Underøath a few more times this forum will start to show up to people searching online due to unexpected SEO 🤔

About being where we are now. I agree. And I believe our experiences are what make us who we are, and are valuable to us and well worth remembering, and it is hopefully for the better. There's some pretty deep stuff I was going to post in the movie thread talking to Verimes and Tjuz, stemming from romance in movies and aspects of regular Hollywood romances being absolutely too boring to us, but I just copied it to my clipboard and left it unposted as it was even worse rambling than my usual self. But it explored some interesting themes about relationships and stuff that should maybe be more normalised in the mainstream. Despite potentially being quite specific to something I went through. Maybe i'll find it and post it one day, as we have already formally established the oversharing club at this point 😳

I also read something that was said to someone recently that resonated and I will definitely steal it to use again if anyone needs to hear something positive "You have a 100% track record of surviving your worst days" (but then my disruptive argumentative flaw-picking mind barges in and says things like, yes, but sometimes people survive by mistake. But i'd hope other people don't think such bleak things if I do use that line because I think it is genuinely a good outlook, my brain just instantly analyses potential flaws in things in case they need a solution. Most of the time it is a helpful tool I can use in life, but sometimes it likes to ruin something good by spotting a flaw that no one else would notice 😬)

About halfway through Crimson. I should have focused more on that than waffling here. It is definitely a good album with some key memories attached, but typing kind of dulls it.

Now... What if I permit you to drink alcohol? (okay, that really isn't how it works, I know! 😛 But still...) and yes, definitely no nightswimming!

Are you listening to anything tonight? And does it help you sleep or is it keeping you awake even more?

@Ravix I'm actually laughing seeing the logs I mentioned in that last chit chat thread, that's the first time I laughed in days. My friends reaction with the cat, I'd forgotten about it all. I'll be honest I don't get Hollywood romance or TV romance, I watched all of The Gilmore Girls and all of When Calls the Heart (Hallmark) and every single show or movie just seemed wrong, or rather what I saw was incompatible with what I already understood.

It's obviously because of what I talked about with Tjuz. Music can be compatible though and that's something. I don't know that it's wrong to focus on the 'bleak', when I do I sort of take it onboard, feel it out, then naturally dig myself back out. If I can do myself then I've accomplished something on my own. Maybe that bleak thing I focused on didn't even come about because of me but if I don't face it then I'll never know.

Ah' the alcohol, only one Person can do that and I think that's a good thing. I understand my limit but I don't know it, some people can drink like a fish and get a little tipsy, others can have two glasses of champers and be that fish at the bottom of the pool. I'm listening to Lana Del Rey, she's not bad. It's her Born to Die Album. I think I just naturally stay awake when I'm alone, again last night it was four in the morning but there was no else there so it was even easier to do it.

@Ravix I used to love watching Charismatic Voice. She is great. I still watch if she has a song I really want to see her break down. But I just can't deal with the exhibition of the pause button she puts on every video. It gets annoying as F. I wish she would either start or end her videos with the full song playthrough with just her regular reactions like the rest of us have when we organically listen to a song for the 1st time.