@nessisonett the never ending hypocrisy of the gaming community.
those same people are the ones who say that sony is leaving indies behind when they don't show enough support for them.
or when PS plus has a good month for ones,they then complain about it all being AAA games most people already have etc,while first always complaining that plus only has average indies/AA games.
or complains when a game story is boring/to safe,yet start a riot when a story takes risks.
there realy is no hobby more infested by toxic people than this one.
@jdv95 people are allowed to have opinions though, I mean you’re saying people are being hypocritical but that’s not really the case a lot of the time. It’s different people saying they like or don’t like something. And that’s normal and fine. It’s not remotely toxic to say you don’t like indies and don’t think Sony should be supporting them. I think you’re seeing a lot of people say things and making assumptions about what else they might have said in the past?
Kyle makes a good point, I spoke to a couple of people who said they dislike indie games. Turns out they didn't know what indie meant and assumed the term only applied to super low budget thrown together 2D games.
Wasn't anything toxic about what they said.. and some are only interested in big triple A heavily marketed games. I think they're missing out but that's a different conversation.
I opened my old PS4 (I hope the man who invented the torx system is already burning in hell) and dusted it off on both side. I wonder where the air is intended to enter since the panels close the console entirely... Now I have a naked PS4 on my desk and it's pretty silent!
I think it is OK for people to not be bothered about indie games though I wish more would. However I think that a healthy gaming industry has room for both - and I think it is important that Sony and big publishers support both. Mainstream AAA Gaming are designed to appeal to the broadest possible demographic because they want the most amount of people to be able to access them. Now obviously a big part is down to marketing, money etc. but largely it is because they are the type of games that many people want to play.
I liken it to movies. The Marvel movies make a lot of money and have a broad appeal. They are fun, pretty well made overall and give you some nice escapism for a few hours. This to me is the same as good quality AAA games. Sometimes those AAA games take a risk and possibly challenge you - but they'll often only challenge you in a limited way. That's fine and I like Marvel movies.
Sometimes though, you do want something different, be it a comedy or something serious and that is when you look towards smaller or niche games that are not made to appeal to all but to scratch an itch that more broad games can appeal to. Now some of these will cross over and become big hits and get a lot of interest in the same way that some AAA games made for everyone will bomb. I'll no doubt enjoy something like Assassin's Creed Odyssey as it is a great, switch brain off and enjoy game, but then sometimes I'll like something like the recent say Donut County which was a nice chilled way of spending a few hours with some humourous writing.
If you are not massively into games then it makes sense you are only into bigger games etc. it is also OK to not be a fan of indies. I'm not a fan of all genres - I struggle with the roguelike genre and some puzzlers too. Basically gaming is a broadchurch and I think Sony is good to invest in both areas but they'll always focus the money on the bigger games.
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@Arugula Can you explain the Cyberpunk thing? Cos I genuinely do not understand why someone would not play a game because it is either in the first or third perspective! I get everyone has preferences and so on, but not play a game? Just baffles me!
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Some good points brought up here regarding indies. Even I, who would be considered a “hardcore” gamer since I visit Push Square daily and follow gaming news, sometimes have a hard time differentiating the subtypes of developers and publishers — indie, AAA, AA, 1st party, 2nd party, .... urgh, it’s all quite complex. Like someone said — I bet a lot of gamers don’t even realize that the game they are playing is an indie. There’s a wealth of high quality indies like - Firewatch, Oxenfree, Limbo, What Remains of Edith Finch ...not to mention critical darlings who compete with even AAA big budget games for GOTY awards such as Celeste, Cuphead, Untitled Goose Game, Hollow Knight... Heck, the most popular game of all time is/was an indie: Minecraft. People just don’t realize they are playing indies sometimes and might be unknowingly dismissing a whole pipeline of fantastic gaming if we don’t continue to foster the small independent studio support.
I like the movie analogy, and the same could be said for businesses. What kind of a world would be be living in if all we had to shop at were Wal-Mart and Best Buy? The small businesses are the lifeblood of our economy, and indie games are a similar essential cog in the machine of gaming.
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@JohnnyShoulder Massive revenue drop though it should be noted that EA kept them going as long as could be in countries that also banned them in Fifa etc.
Still this is a positive move though I imagine the next incarnation will be no loot boxes but lots of desirable micro transactions etc.
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@Rudy_Manchego Lol, well I think they are both good metaphors. We all like a small budget indie film every now and then, just like we need to shop at a quaint little boutique or local eatery rather than always going to the big chain stores and restaurants.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
@Th3solution at the end of the day, you got games I like (good games), and games I don’t like (sh*t games). Fez is at one extreme and pretty much anything by Ubisoft is at the other. (Fun fact, Phil Fish worked at Ubisoft before he made Fez and subsequently went insane.)
Then you have fringe games like FIFA, COD and Fortnite which simply “exist”.
@kyleforrester87 Yeah, I can understand not liking certain indie games but just dismissing them for that very fact seems extraordinarily silly. It’s not a genre in and of itself, one thing that really bugs me when people say they like indie music.
@JohnnyShoulder I could totally understand how Bioshock, Deus Ex and Alien Isolation could be considered frustrating to play in first person. And Resi 7.
Now I’m not saying @Argula isn’t being a little princess (he is )and needs to get over himself (he does ) but I get how games presented in the first person but are not as polished as true first person shooters like Doom and Call of Duty can be off-putting initially.
@nessisonett yeah it’s dumb to dismiss something without experiencing (but we all do that to a degree, that’s life), at the end of the day it’s their loss. It was more the suggestion that people are being hypocritical, when I don’t think that’s the case. It’s easy to scroll through the comments and assume no one can be satisfied but generally it’s not the same people poopooing everything Sony announce. And the odd person doing that is obviously a troll.
@kyleforrester87 Yeah I get all that and we all dismiss things in our life, it is only human nature after all. I'm not saying that everyone has to play every game ever made, but don't think any of that is a good enough reason to totally dismiss a video game, something that you have to play to fully experience it.
Which is why I never understand people that watch playthroughs just to experience the story.
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