Topic: The Chit Chat Thread

@JohnnyShoulder
I remember the bit you mean in DS2, I think the game really could have done without that part. Just a mean way to freak players out in a different way as I recall.

The needle bit in DS2 was awesome!

@kyleforrester87
lol, I'm glad someone enjoyed it!

so i completed TLOU plus left behind again.

the game is just to good.

i wonder what sort of twists part 2 will bring. (no spoilers please)

@jdv95 It’s gonna turn out the whole thing was orchestrated by a dog at a control panel. More games should have that twist.

@nessisonett hahaha good old silent hill 2.

for all the grim stuff that game had,it for sure pulled some whacky tricks out of it's hat.

the dog ending and the UFO ending.

@LieutenantFatman One of the things that put me off with Detroit was the section with Todd beating up his daughter. This was used as a trailer prior to release and I was just like 'no sorry that's too far'.

Out of all the sections of the game, they chose that imo to be edgy. It was a bad call. There are a ton of amazing scenes later in the game, domestic violence isn't something I want to play through.

Also juvenile in tone sex stuff. I have been playing dead or alive 5, it's actually a really good fighting game with some easy to learn and hard to master mechanics. Glad I decided to finally play it. I'm not too offended by the provacative poses and lack of clothes on the Fighters - but its adds no value to me, and I know most girlfriends / wives would probably question their bloke if he was playing it. Not worth the hassle or arguments. It would be highly recommended without the over sexualised content.

@themcnoisy “Sex in video games should be plot-relevant” - I say, playing a VN where a guy gets raped by a robot lion.

@themcnoisy
I actually refused to play Detroit for that very reason. Admittedly Cage's weird sex offender antics didn't help but I digress. Detroit is even free on ps+ now but yeah, I just won't do domestic violence as entertainment, I'm glad it's not just me.

I find it absolutely vile and hugely uncomfortable. My inlaws love their soaps on the tv when I'm round. When the DV stuff starts I usually leave the room, or sometimes I go home and politely say, see you later. It's a bit awkward but hey ho.

Looks like Ubisoft is going quite late with their E3 replacement.

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxEkeiWGPl5dIfYec54AaABCQ

I feel like Push Square shouldn’t feel too bad about itself when there’s an article like TLOU2 with some arguments, the sheer number of articles on NLife with 100+ angry comments is crazy. I do find it kinda funny that the Xbox and PlayStation sites have a way more docile and accepting fan base than Nintendo though, they’re traditionally the family brand!

@nessisonett
I always thought that was curious as well. Perhaps suggestive of a less mature audience? Plenty of other factors to consider as well though such as how the staff deal with this sort of thing. Do they lead by example or fan the flames?

@LieutenantFatman The staff aren’t a bad lot but they do write quite a few articles that definitely bait the more... vitriolic readers. I think the recent success of the Switch has seen a rise in commentators and given the gaming community’s reputation, the majority of new readers are of a certain persuasion. I’m just trying to stay out of it now, it gives me a headache. I just thought it was rather curious because I’ve been on that site since 2014 and it’s gotten pretty ridiculous fairly quickly. I only started going on Push Square around 2015 and it’s been a lot more docile for as long as I’ve been here.

@nessisonett
Yes, I know the feeling of being on sites that are so toxic, definitely wise to stay well away from it. It's really not worth your time or your mental health. Leave and never look back is my advice. Lots of friendly communities out there to enjoy.

@LieutenantFatman I’m seriously considering it, there’s a group now attacking the writers and calling them SJW man haters. It’s so frustrating because I actually ended up on these two websites because I was a subscriber of Nintendo magazine and when that shut down, they recommended NLife as a place to go. It’s just depressing seeing literally 250+ comments on any article that deals with anything remotely ‘political’. I myself am definitely guilty of getting annoyed and mouthing off at people on the site and I think I’ve just had enough.

@nessisonett
In my experience, people who use 'sjw' tend to pretty much always want to spread discrimination & hate. Sounds awful, I'm sure there are other Nintendo sites which don't have such toxic communities.

@nessisonett @LieutenantFatman I like Nintendo Life and enjoy a lot of the articles there and I also like their video content. That said, I avoid much interaction. I do find that Nintendo, I guess by its nature, has a very die hard fandom. I would guess because they have a very particular product and set of culturally significant characters and licenses in a way that perhaps Sony and Microsoft don't. Don't get me wrong, there are die hard fans of everything but there does seem to be a passion that becomes very outspoken quickly. Properties like Pokemon, Zelda, Smash etc. seem to have subcultures with them and I also think that Nintendo is a company that has had ups and downs and that adversity seems to create more passion and defensivness.

I tend to avoid the article comments and forums because I've had a few people be rather rude to me there for not knowing enough or being told I'm wrong. I mean, it's the internet but I feel here that if it is a site regular, when we disagree there will be a solid discourse.

@Rudy_Manchego
Yes, it does reach a point where these things become an unhealthy obsession, something you more often see in certain sports and fans turn fanatics.

As you say, Sony ips don't tend to stay around for that long, I guess that makes the behaviour less likely. The only PSone Sony ip still around I can think of is Wipeout and that's a remaster, the devs sadly, long made redundant.

@LieutenantFatman Agreed and I think Nintendo and Sony are just two very different organisations with a different approach to gaming.

Nintendo do rely an awful lot on nostalgia and that sense of identification that its fans have with its games. There is an evolution of gamers that grew up, whatever their age, on Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Smash Bros etc. They tend to release 1, maybe 2 of these franchises a generation which builds up hype and furthers that nostalgia. This isn't a bad thing, it has produced some amazing games and does make these releases something closer to an event.

Sony on the other hand do have repeated franchises, but it is rare for them to go across generations and if they do, not to have major revisions. I can think of say Killzone and God of War maybe. Everybody's Golf I guess. I mean, think of the new possible franchises in this generation alone - Bloodborne, Until Dawn, HZD, Days Gone, The Order 1886, Nioh etc. I know some of these will no doubt get sequels but I would doubt, to be honest, there will end up being a new HZD game every generation forever.

I feel because there is not necessarily that constant nostalgia factor, people don't identify quite as strongly with Sony franchises as others.

@LieutenantFatman @themcnoisy I’m a little late on the comment, but in regards to the Detroit [quite brief] domestic violence interaction, I’m certainly not one to judge and I thoroughly respect the opinions and preferences of you all, my friends and comrades, but I honestly didn’t find the scene and interaction to be any more disturbing than a lot of other video game conflicts. Todd is a horrible human being, to be sure. But you can pretty quickly make decisions to defend yourself and Alice and depending on how you play, I recall the whole thing is brought to a just conclusion pretty quickly with that loser Todd. I was way more uncomfortable with things like, for example, the scene/interaction in The Last of Us where Ellie, a minor, is attacked and it’s implied like the dude (I forget his name) was moving toward nefarious things with her. Again, justice gratefully prevailed fairly quickly there too, as I recall (it’s been a long time since I played that). So long as games depict perpetrators to be meted some kind of justice or at least shown not to prevail, then the subject matter can be tolerable. And if they keep it brief; I certainly wouldn’t want a game to linger on the subject matter.

It’s a fine line, and we all get a little uncomfortable when violence against defenseless women and children are involved; rightfully so. Games may continue to use the tactic of violence to minors and the disabled to bring strong emotional responses from gamers though, because it stirs fierce motivations to exact revenge.

By no means am I suggesting you have to play or like Detroit, but personally I felt the scene, although uncomfortable, wasn’t in poor taste, at least any more so than other games. It is a fine line, I’ll admit, since this was a depiction of a father being the abuser. Any game that glorifies such activities would most definitely go on my “never play” list. It’s also why I nearly always play the virtuous hero role when given the options, even when being the villain or criminal is offered (a la RDR2, Infamous, etc.). I like to protect the defenseless, and bring down the reprobate, personally.

I look to TLoU2 to have some really uncomfortable interactions, and it is part of what has been hesitant to commit to it too. I get the feeling that moral and ethical dilemma is going to be a strong theme throughout. So I’m of two minds, I guess. 😅