Topic: The Chit Chat Thread

@Th3solution I completed Detroit a couple of weeks ago.

There is a reason kids are not in GTA V or the majority of games until recently. Also a lot of media has become a lot darker and infatuated with the worst sides of humanity. The comic code authority was ditched years ago and guidelines on TV have been ditched as the spectre of WW2 is fading. No need to make people happy anymore in the pursuit of Art!

Domestic violence is uncomfortable, the way Todd breaks down in the game. He's a shadow of a real bloke - blaming everyone in his immediate family for his own despair. Which he then takes out on Alice. Its really pathetic and Detroit portrays humans, all pretty much all men as abusive.

The writing and acting is top notch. I would have preferred a few more scenes of generally nice people without the twisted personalities. It's one sided and isn't fair, as one of the first games I know that tackles this real world issue, would have preferred more balance.

@Th3solution
Yes, fair enough if a developer wants to tackle a sensitive issue in a game and they do so with tact. I think for many creators, they lack the skills to do that well. If anyone can pull it off, its probably Naughty Dog, but I do hope they remember to keep the game fun as well and it's not a piece of pure misery. I know TLOU is meant to be a grim universe but they still need hope.

@themcnoisy I absolutely agree that we need a little more balance in general with the depictions of “good” and “bad” people. The phenomenon spills over into television, movies and other media. The bumbling idiot man stereotype grows a little old as far as I’m concerned. Diversity goes both ways. Perhaps I’m a little overly sensitive, being a bumbling idiot of a man and all.

it's just a shame that TLOU 2 gets hate not because it has violence and dark themes,but because the themes and violence have some LGBT stuff going on.

it's painfull to say this but if the protag was still a man and the dark themes would have nothing to do with LGBT stuff,those very same people would not even say a word.

even on this site i saw a member saying that it is bad/stupid to add political messages into games.

but you can bet that if TLOU2 was about specific MANhood problems without a gay protagonist,those people would applaud ND for showcasing that and having that message be told in favour of their own little conservative bubble. it's not that ND hate white straight men or something. every character in TLOU universe has their dark sides and good sides (exept david but he's a pedo so ***** him) no matter gender and orientation.

i mean just remember how those people reacted when that e3 trailer came out with that kiss. the riots already began than.

@jdv95 That’s just how these ones work, they’ve been waiting to hate on ND ever since Drake had a daughter instead of a son. According to them Neil ‘Cuckmann’ changed Drake’s son to a daughter against the wishes of Amy Hennig because of his influence from Anita Sarkeesian. I don’t think they realise how silly they sound.

@nessisonett oh my god.

i would have been ok with the critisms of the game if they where not LGBT related.

but it's the fact that the people are attacking those themes the most is what sets me off.

sure you have some people saying that some are complaining about other stuff but the problem is that all the haters with "influence" AKA the youtubers are only targeting the LGBT stuff and nothing else.

it's like when IGN gave that awfull days gone review a bad score just because deacon is a white man. everybody called them out and rightfully so i did to,but ofcourse it's those same people now ***** on ND and TLOU because ellie is a lesbian with a girlfriend or atleast love interest. and according to them that is just pushing an agenda? if nothing else it's the haters pushing their anti LGBT agenda on the internet. some of the stuff they say is bordering on actuall cyber hate crime levels.

not to mention that some of their followers only agree with them because they are their favourite youtubers. disgusting at the highest level.

i know i keep rambling on about the issue so again i apologise for that.

@jdv95
No need to apologise, you make some important points. And the more people who stand up and challenge those who try to spread hate & discrimination, the better.

@jdv95 The more people point out these ones’ hypocrisies, the better. I think the problem with the gaming industry is that the devs are clearly trying to move into the 21st century while a lot of the fans (or a loud minority) are firmly rooted in attitudes that are quickly being seen as just not on. For as much as they moan about ‘cancel culture’ and the like, they’re very quick to turn on devs that don’t agree with their limited viewpoints and boycott their products. It’s not like I don’t admit that there’s bad elements on the ‘SJW’ side, there are definitely people who use that cause to further their own agenda, same as literally every movement ever. The ironic thing is that if the toxic ones stopped calling women ‘females’ and ‘thots’ and started treating them like actual human beings, they would probably be more fulfilled in life and there would be a whole lot less incels. The same applies to ones who see LGBT themes as an affront, I knew plenty people who were idiots when they were younger and spouted homophobic trash but are now good friends. Attitudes can change upon exposure to media that drives a deep personal message and I hope TLOU2 manages that if these ‘fans’ give it a chance.

@TrueAssassin86x Yep, State of Play later today just for the game.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/05/state_of_play_livestr...

I've been listening to a lot of field recordings and leftfield recordings recently, Chris Watson, Lingua Ignota etc., I was wondering if any of you could recommend a good field recording artist or leftfield musician? When I haven't been doing that, I've been gaming or focusing on drafting a PhD proposal, centering around the SoulsBorne games, great fun so far, but a bit of a hard slog.

@Draco_V_Ecliptic Lingua Ignota’s basically just Neoclassical Darkwave so I’d recommend Anna Von Hausswolff. In terms of field recordings/musique concrète, anything by Michael Pisaro, The Caretaker etc is worth a listen. You could also go down the Electroacoustic or Drone routes so Tim Hecker’s a great start and other classic albums like The Tired Sounds Of by Stars of the Lid, Pop by GAS, Replica by Oneohtrix Point Never and The Disintegration Loops by William Basinski will take you in different directions.

@nessisonett Thanks very much!

@Arugula Enjoy! What gaming do you have planned?

playing WD2.

it's a fun gamen,better than the first for sure. SF is just a more appealing setting than chicago.

i heard some people on here in the past saying how they don't like the characters but i enjoy them in a way. sure the cast is a bit goofy and sometimes feels like adults trying to blend in as teens etc but they all have something that makes them fun to have around. wrench is my favourite so far. but tbh i only bought it to pass the time between now and TLOU2. but it's a happy purchase for sure though.

@Arugula I hear ya, just play what you feel like at the time.

I'm almost done with Control and i have no idea what I'm gonna play next. Maybe something light and fluffy, it is quite an assault on the senses at times.

Lol, I saw Anita Sarkeesian’s name front and centre in the credits of Hyper Light Drifter. While I doubt many of the Naughty Dog detractees play games like HLD, it does prove that it’s not exactly going to ruin the game for all ‘true gamers’ that she’s seemingly involved with TLOU2 because Hyper Light Drifter was brilliant.

@nessisonett let me guess,hyper light never got the negativity of those people that TLOU gets despite anita being involved?

sure it's a smaller game but still,would again show the hypocrisy those people have. i guess TLOU is just an easy target because it's an exclusive and high profile.

they so want to push their own biggot agenda (see the irony?) but only do so by picking and choosing. i guess hating on a smaller game does not get them the views. (which it is all about in the end)

@jdv95 A quick Google of ‘Hyper Light Drifter Anita Sarkeesian’ reveals some... interesting viewpoints. Zoe Quinn’s also credited in the Special Thanks, same as Kanye West. It’s kinda hilarious how these ones go on and on and on about leftie SJW snowflakes being offended over nothing... while boycotting a game because someone’s credited in the special thanks section. There was a big stink about Celeste/Towerfall as well because surprise surprise, indie devs are far more likely to be young and accepting and less likely to care about sacrificing their vision for the sake of an extra few bucks from w*nkers. And then there’s the Ion Fury review on NLife with 100+ comments, mostly attacking the literal editor in chief of NLife, that proves that humanity isn’t ready for the Internet (for once I stayed away, pretty proud of myself ngl).

@nessisonett nevermind the removed post,i had my facts wrong.

Anyway you did good of staying away. It's a shame that everything has to be ruined by a select group of people regardless their stance. But it is so scary to see the comunity always be wary of any game that has a female protagonist even if she is white and hetrosexual. Where does this hatred of representing women come from? I can't believe those people act like this around women in real life. I mean surely some of them are married to women with good and respected jobs,do they Also resent their wife than? How do their wifes react to that if so? It's all so sureal to think that there are still people around that are convinced that any game or movie with a non male protagonist has an agenda. It has been like this since forever but still.

@jdv95 Didn’t you know? Family values are all about railing against those that don’t fit ‘the norm’ 😉