Topic: PlayStation 5 --OT--

The problem with Digital Foundry is that it makes a whole lot of people think they’re suddenly experts and they use out-of-context quotes to fuel their own petty wars, on both sides. It’s no different from the ridiculous bit wars back in the 90s.

@BAMozzy Yeah, I absolutely agree. The worst is that the differences between the consoles get smaller each generation with diminishing returns. Unless you pause the screens and zoom in, you're going to have trouble to differentiate between the two. Who cares at this point, I would've bought a big PC rig if I wanted to argue about the best performance

@Octane But can PC do this??!?! *spins on one leg at the speed of PS5’s incredibly fast SSD while balancing £450 on my nose

@nessisonett To their credit, DF and DF Retro go to great lengths when it comes to analyzing stuff like game performance metrics or even hardware internals, and they do a lot to make sure their comparisons are authentic as possible, like when they compared DOOM on Switch to a similarly specced PC running the game just for basic performance comparison and discrepancies

There's still a few things that fly over my head but it's very easy to digest stuff. It's not the kind of thing that will suddenly make me feel like Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius or anything though, and it's not the kind of thing where you can just start throwing around tech buzzwords and cobble them together in a way that makes sense

@BAMozzy you guys are missing the point.
I'm not talking about console warriors that are everywhere even on PushSquare and would not admit it
The stupid rumours are reported by the press. Again people get manipulated into fighting one another and calling names.
Trying to prove your right and the other wrong in keyboard war is another thing and futile. Then call the other 'fanboy'. Its childish.
Main responsible for fake rumour is clickbait titles.

@JJ2 You can’t call the fanboy rubbish futile when you literally comment saying that Digital Foundry are Xbox shills. You’re the one spreading nonsense, not Push Square.

@nessisonett
I see you keep on trying this keyboard war nonsense, and you want to get your snipes on me.
I'm not your 'enemy' because I dont fancy xbox.
If you dont like me, there is an ignore button.

@JJ2 ...I’m not trying ‘keyboard war’ nonsense, I’m pointing out glaring inconsistencies and double standards in your arguments. There’s a difference between not fancying Xbox and blatantly stirring up trouble by calling DF shills. If that isn’t ‘FUD’ I don’t know what is.

@nessisonett
Yes your focused on me for a while for some reason. I didnt call DF I called Alex specifically and that's easy to check my comments. You r often putting words in my mouth. I dont know why you feel the need to defend that guy. It's my opinion.
Now stop you keyboard war non sense.

@JJ2 It really is a great selection of games. I wonder how DLC is working though, FFXV is a much better game with the add-ons and Monster Hunter World: Iceborne is also fantastic.

Persona 5 being there is honestly incredible considering how much smaller the series was in popularity when I was getting into it about 10 years ago

Understandable why it isn't Royal given how recent that iteration of the game is, but if anyone missed out on the PS4 generation this would be a solid as hell way to get into those particular highlights in addition to native backwards compatibility

@TheFrenchiestFry Yeah, it’s pretty crazy how one title can suddenly make a whole series take off. Same thing happened with Yakuza 0, which is a game I would have expected to be on that list until the massive push they’ve had recently on Xbox.

@nessisonett That's even crazier considering Yakuza's been tied to PlayStation since the very beginning, but it starts to make sense when you consider Microsoft and SEGA have been buddy buddy for years even dating back to the first Xbox with that whole exclusive games deal they made regarding Shenmue, Panzeer Dragoon Orta and JSR Future

That list is brilliant especially as 7 of them games are on my backlog no need to go and pay for the games in full

'We started preparing for the adoption of liquid metal TIM about two years ago when the PS5 hardware configuration and shape were roughly decided. In addition to design, we have begun various studies toward the adoption of TIM for liquid metals, from the manufacturing process to procurement.'

So that debunking the idiotic rumours that PS5 was planned for 2019 and then pushed back and somehow 'overclocked' when they 'found out' about the xbox flops.
PS5 was specs were already set 2 years ago.

@JJ2 Playing devil’s advocate, it does say ‘roughly decided’ and not ‘set in place’ but yeah, that’s one of the sillier rumours I’ve heard. TFLOPS is one of those measurements that people use who really don’t know the slightest thing about them. They’re not an indication of much, they’re an end result due to the setup. Unless your system is solely doing calculations, there are a million other more important factors but people jumped on the TFLOPS.

Here it is. Alex is NOT INTERESTED but fortunately DF is full of other intelligent people.

@JJ2 The actual shape and APU design could well of been decided years ago and to even push 2.0Ghz would require a big investment in dissipating the heat generated by running at that speed. At 2.0Ghz, the PS5, with EXACTLY the same design Chip would come out at 9.2TF - which as we know was the rumour.

If you look at other available RDNA GPU's from AMD, 2.0Ghz is well above what many can be overclocked to so its entirely possible that Sony had planned to 'boost' up to 2.0Ghz with their design and use Liquid Metal to assist with Cooling. Its also possible that when MS announced their 12.1TF design, Sony bumped up the max clock frequencies - enabled in part by the use of Liquid Metal which they had planned for. Even planning for a '2.0Ghz' GPU for example may well of necessitated the need to invest in and develop their Liquid Metal solution.

It may well of only been possible at a 'later' stage, not 'planned' years prior when RDNA2.0 was still only an idea, on the AMD roadmap. Its performance at higher than expected frequencies and potentially the heat it generates at those could well of been a factor in enabling Sony to increase the peak frequencies above what they had originally thought possible - coupled with the performance of Liquid Metal. Nothing would of needed to be changed in the design at all if all they are doing is raising the 'peak' frequency of the GPU by 10% - the 'design' could still be the exact same as the APU and even Smart Shift could all of been 'planned' to reach 2.0Ghz. Just look at the boost clock frequencies of AMDs RX 5700 XT Anniversary Edition (1.98Ghz) compared to 1.905Ghz of the RX 5700 XT and just 1.725Ghz for the standard RX 5700 with Base clocks of 1.68Ghz, 1.605Ghz and 1.465 respectively. 2.0Ghz is incredibly fast and well beyond expectation. Even the Series X at 1.825Ghz is 'higher' than base clocks on AMDs current (at least until they actually announce any RDNA 2.0 GPUs) so I can easily believe Sony may well of 'planned' around hitting 2.0Ghz and then found they 'could' boost the peak frequency higher without changing their design.

Its not like Sony suddenly go back to AMD and add 10 more CU's to the GPU or even enable 2 more CU's which may affect their BC plans - keeping the same 'core' count as the PS4 Pro and significantly increasing their 'costs' (lower yields, higher costs) and potentially needing a redesign to accommodate a larger APU. Being able to turn up the clock a bit more can be a result of 'better' than expected/predicted heat generation and/or heat dissipation for example. MS turned up their CPU clock frequencies between E3 and release of the Xbox One for example so extracting a bit more performance by moving the frequency Cap up could well of been made possible without impacting on ANY of the design elements or costs. The 'planned' design is still fundamentally the same but they can 'extract' a bit more performance than they had originally designed.

Not saying they did this purely because of MS but MS did boost their CPU because of Sony's PS4 spec.

Im not into endless keyboard arguments. It's obvious that the variable frequencies philosophy was intended from the beginning and not a result of 'overclock' reaction.. the advantage of it is precisely to have incredibly high clocks and be more efficient. They knew exactly, 2 years ago, what cooling system was needed for the exact power supply predicted. Cant change that.
Just like Rich I was interested in the SSD on the board and a bit surprised. It's like 6 SSDs (3 on each side) or am I wrong?
We can see the large pool of SRAM Cerny was talking about near the SSD. It's interesting DF keep comparing with xbox but never mention the xbox SSD. As a matter of fact there is no picture of that SSD. It's like secret stuff