Topic: Is Sony having much bad news or are just people trying to make PS5 seem like a bad console?

@velio84 @colonelkilgore I wonder if this could have a long term negative impact on the industry due to poor sales perfomance it means less work is put into them. I guess that comes down to how drastically the sales are impacted by Game Pass.

@NedStarksGhost simpler games (ie games that had less development time and money poured in) has always been my fear for a 'post-Gamepass wins world'.

@NedStarksGhost @velio84 @colonelkilgore The quality issue has been mentioned many times and is always shot down by Xbox people because they think it's just Playstation people being bitter. From my point of view though it's a very real possibility as the gamepass model means more people will wait for a game to be on the service rather than pay for it. If people stop buying games then it means publishers / developers will reduce budgets to suit, but also means that there are more games fighting for that subscription money each month, as there will only be so much to go around, that it's likely lots will miss out.

@render it's been shot down as for the most part, purely xbox players don't know what quality is. They see the various 3rd person action adventure exclusive games on PlayStation and 'assume' (I don't even think they actually believe it deep down either) that they're all just basically Telltale games... when the reality couldn't be further from their 'assumptions'. These games 'actually' play fantastically, you just have to scratch beneath the surface to find out. That on top of pretty much unrivalled production values which is the icing on the cake. You only have to watch MBG's YouTube videos as he started to make the switch to see how hard it is for someone to let go of their predetermined perspective... but how rewarding it can be once you do so.

It's why the PS5 PS+ collection is so perfect for Xboxone owners who decide to make the jump... a large chunk of this excellence is available straight away and at no extra cost (other than a PS+ sub).

@velio84 or they may just enquire as to whether Sony wants to make the game a console exclusive... which would obviously cost Sony 'x' amount of cash and the developers would also still get the 80%-90% sales they were getting anyway on top.

@colonelkilgore I've never thought about it from that point of view but you are probably bob on with that comment. As I've not owned a PC for years and never owned an Xbox I'm not sure what expectations owners of those systems have. For me personally I know that I can buy pretty much any PS studios game and it's going to be awesome, not just story wise but also gameplay wise. On the other hand if your studios can't guarantee quality then you've just got to chuck out more games and charge less for them to keep people happy.

For me, a house with myself and 3 sons who all game. Last gen we had 4 PS4's and one Xbox. Right not we have one PS5 and one XSX. As things are looking going forward we will get Xboxes in our rooms and just have a single PS5 in the games room.

The PS5 already relied on overclocking to try and keep up with the power of the XSX, but with the downgraded heat sinks I do not think the "new" models will keep up later in the generation when games are pushing the hardware hard.

Add to this all the nonsense around charging to turn the settings up from medium (ps4) to high (ps5) and now locking out upgrades totally unless you buy the extra expensive digital version. Its all left a bad taste in my mouth.

PS has great exclusives but that is only 10 games over 7 years. Not enough to make PS our primary platform this round. Maybe PS6 they will treat players with some respect again!

@TooBarFoo it 'may' only be 10 games a generation but it doesn't mean you don't get all the 3rd party games too.
Also, of those console exclusives last gen, two are my top two games of all time and almost all of them are in my top 20 (and most of 'them' in my top 10). That is far more important than any number surely.

The Order: 1886, Infamous: Second Son, Infamous: First Light, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4, Uncharted: Lost Legacy, Gran Turismo Sport, Gravity Rush 2, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Shadow of the Colossus Remake, God of War, Spider-man, Days Gone, Death Stranding, Dreams, The Last of Us: Remastered, The Last of Us part 2, Ghost of Tsushima and I'm probably forgetting some.

These may only 'just' be north of the 10 you quoted but that ignores second party and timed stuff like Nioh, Nioh 2, Final Fantasy VII Remake part 1, Persona V (& Royale), Nier: Automata etc. and I've almost definitely forgotten some of them too.

Honestly dude, we're all different, with different perspectives and situations... but there's no way I'd want to be missing out on what the PS5's equivalent catalogue will be.

@colonelkilgore @render to pitch in with this, having played the Xbox as my primary console for years, the comment about Xbox owners not knowing quality is so true. There has been very few games to shout about, if any. Most things have been serviceable with the odd good quality game (such as Ori). A friend of mine has switched over to PS5 as well, and he doesn't stop talking about how much he loves the PS5 and how Game Pass is just "meh" in his words.

I haven't seen anything from Xbox that has convinced me I'm wrong. For example, Rift Apart on the PS5 is just miles better than anything Xbox has produced in the last decade.

What I think will be interesting is what their big hitter titles are like (such as that game from Rare). I have a feeling they will be good but not outstanding, or perhaps a better way of putting it is uninspired. I can't see any of them achieving the praise that, for example, Ghost of Tsushima had.

Sony are just on another level, in my eyes.

@TooBarFoo I think you might need to get your information regarding PS hardware from more reputable sources than YouTubers who have no experience with hardware design. I think that the upgrades are also more than about turning the settings up as they use new features on the PS5 including haptics / adaptive triggers, 3D audio etc. so there's perhaps slightly more to it than that.

@colonelkilgore has a very good point regarding the games side of things and that's why the majority of PS users stay with PS but if you are buying on price then I can see why you consider that MS is the better option for you.

@NedStarksGhost by all means... as a recent Xbox gamer who has made the change, your perspective is actually a far better barometer than mine.

Meanwhile, Twitter called me “this guy is what’s wrong with the gaming community” yesterday because I dared to say I didn’t like the HFW upgrade thing while admitting that it’s not really my problem (because I’m just getting it for PS5) 🙃
I don’t think Sony has much to worry about 😅

@Voltan well you're not telling us anything new there buddy... we're all aware that the moment you log off for good and stop gaming, the rest of us will finally attain gaming-nirvana 🤣.

@Voltan dont you know, the big corporation needs people to defend them from any who dare speak out against something they do!

Obviously when I say "Twitter", I mean "a single random Twitter user who said that and a few others who liked the tweet" - just to be clear

@Voltan I'm the same, I opted for the collector's edition and I'll be able to give the PS4 code to my niece so she can enjoy it on the pro, which I gave her when I got my PS5.

@MightyDemon82 I'm pretty sure there's just one code - for the digital deluxe edition which gives you both versions. I got the special with a PS5 disc myself.

@Voltan If that's the case she'll just have to play it on my PS5 then, that's if I'm not hogging the dualsense that is.

I love how people are saying that this trend has just started recently. It's been like this for almost a year now: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/sony_confirms_ps5_gam...

It just baffles me that some people aren't acknowledging how awful Sony has been. We've had a constant streak of bad news for almost a year and yet I see the same people in every article stating "this is not a big deal" for that particular topic. When you have one full year of bad news, THAT'S a big deal. It adds up over time.

What I don't get is what people stand to gain from defending Sony. The company is treating its user base poorly, including the very people who are defending them. You don't gain anything by advocating for higher prices for PS5 games. You don't gain anything by advocating for no upgrade paths. You don't gain anything by advocating for downsizing companies like Japan Studio. At the end of the day, you're a consumer, not a stockholder nor an employee, and you're losing out just as much as the rest of us. They deserve to be called out just as much as when people called out Microsoft during the 2013 fiasco with the Xbox One.

The only difference is that Microsoft actually listened even though it was too late. But without that change, we wouldn't have Phil Spencer at the helm for Xbox today. We probably wouldn't even have Xbox as I remember Spencer stating that Satya Nadella was considering shutting down the division after the fiasco. No matter what your stance is on Microsoft, Spencer saved the brand and fueled the competition between them and Sony, which in turn has kept Sony on their toes and as a result, PlayStation users are better off than if Microsoft had bowed out of the gaming market.

For example, and this is purely my own opinion, but I honestly believe that PS5 wouldn't have had backwards compatibility with PS4 games if it weren't for Microsoft. PS4 didn't have any backwards compatibility whatsoever and that was back when "Good Sony" was still active. Not to mention that Jim Ryan has explicitly stated "Who cares about old games?". So why did they add BC on PS5? Because Microsoft added BC on Xbox One after Phil Spencer took over. Remember, Microsoft wasn't planning on adding BC on Xbox One either just like Sony wasn't with the PS4. But when they did do that, they pressured Sony into doing the same thing.

I can't overstate this enough that I'm obviously just speculating here, but I just don't see what reason Sony would have had to add BC on PS5 if the competition wasn't doing it. They dominated last generation in terms of console sales despite not having BC on PS4 and they believed that they would dominate this generation as well. People would buy the PS5 with or without BC because they've built up such a strong reputation with the PS4. If the PS4 was this good, then PS5 will be even better, and consumers would flock to their system. All they needed were games and we all know that Sony has some of the best first-party franchises available on the market. There was no need for BC, pure and simple. But they added it anyway, not out of the goodness of their hearts, but because Microsoft was doing it.

I would take Austin Evans video with a grain of salt, he measured the heat at the exhaust that doesn't necessarily mean the soc is running hotter in fact could be the opposite. Wait til someone puts probes near the soc to get a more accurate temp result