Topic: Gran Turismo 7

@Mr_B021 @sorteddan Thanks for the tips. I did try to walk away and then came back the next day, but still struggled.
I didn’t know that there was a demo ghost, so I’ve only been using the ghost of my own personal best, which is also helpful, but in this case isn’t enough. I’ll try that demo ghost the next time I play. I assume it’s somewhere in the settings?

@Th3solution
Yeah quite easy to find, settings then ghost settings. I didn't discover it till quite late but it helped me on some of them.

@sorteddan Thanks! And the ability to offset the ghost will be helpful also. It’s a bit confusing when the ghost is right on top of the current car (I like to play the chase viewpoint) as I sometimes react to the wrong image. 😅 And this particular license has zero room for timing error. A split second too late (or too early) to initiate a turn means that I end up into the wall.

@Th3solution yeah I remember struggling a bit with this one... it's a front wheel drive car which understeers so it helps to steer into those corners a little early. Also don't know if you have counter steering on but I took it off pretty early, seemed to help.

But I'm no expert either so not much help other than to say I feel your frustration.

@zupertramp Good to know I’m not the only one. It’s weird that most of the other tests have been comparatively easy, so I was suspicious that I have been driving ‘wrong’ to have struggled with such a low level task. I guess I throw my car around with too much reckless abandon. 😅
But that’s a good tip on the counter steer assist and on the FR car tendency. Through reading this thread I have learned the value in fiddling with the counter steer and traction control settings, depending on the specific needs of the test. It feels like, in general, if I need to be more precise and have less understeer then turning off counter steer does help.

@Th3solution oh definitely. In fact I'm really not fond of Tokyo Expressway, even in a race; it's just too narrow and it's just too easy to slap a barrier coming out of a corner exit. There's another Urban Driving test in the International B (I think) at Tokyo Expressway in a GT-R and omg the trouble I had with this thing. It's the first time I got the "hey you kinda suck at this why don't you watch the demo" message.

Another suggestion I've seen is turning off the Active Stability Management but I was never brave enough to try that. From what I remember... after you get the braking down on that corner before entering beneath the elevated road (think that's the first corner) it's just a matter of throttling that last corner properly with only the slightest hint of braking iirc.

But that's the thing about tips sometimes is it's like yeah, I know what to do I just can't seem to do it. So good luck and keep at it.

@zupertramp For some reason I think I’ve become more obsessive-compulsive as I’ve gotten older. I remember before when playing GT that I wasn’t as worried as I seem to be now to get 1st place in all the races and gold on all the licenses. I probably need to just relax and be satisfied with just passing.

As render isn't doing a time trial this week I suggest you all go do 5 laps of the nurbergring in a sambabus. Don't bother posting your times though, just try to learn from the experience...

@JudgeDredd

Touche.

Actually got me thinking about doing all the weight reductions and upgrades and seeing how crazy it becomes, May have to have a go tomorrow.

@Th3solution lol tell me about it. I was doing the International A10 license test earlier when I realized I was actually gritting my teeth the entire way through it.

But don't think of it as OCD. You've just gotten more persistent with age, and your work ethic is stronger. That's what I'm telling myself anyway.

@sorteddan Great idea, we'll see you there next Sunday

@nitram2k11 @Kairu
Can't race with you guys as I work Sunday evenings and usually get home and collapse in front of MoTD.
Would like to join in your time trial thing but fear the uploading image part is beyond my technological abilities! - since its done on trust anyhow are screenshots really necessary?

@sorteddan When I originally penned the rules it was to try and keep the barrier to entry as low as possible. I don’t remember you ever raising it as an issue but a number of people don’t post screenshots already, I just thought it was slightly more visual than only posting a time. Happy for you just to put your time in text if you do decide to take part.

I didn’t get chance to do the screen grabs this week and I’m away from home but will do another one for next week.

@Jimmer-jammer No worries, I can appreciate how crazy life can be. I should have time to get one sorted for Monday so hopefully catch you on that one 👍

So, another silly question for the pros on here:
I received a “special invitation” to buy a couple exclusive cars available at the Brand Central shop Aston Martin showroom (a One-77 ‘11and a Vulcan ‘16). Both cars look very sweet, but are of course quite expensive, with the Vulcan being 3.3 mil Cr. The offer expires at the end of the month. So are these exclusive “invitations” the last or only chance to get these cars? Should I expect that I’ll get a new invitation every month for different exclusive cars?
Just wondering if I should save up to grab these now or if I can wait and find them, or better exclusives, later. I quite like the looks of that Vulcan.

@Th3solution You periodically get the invites and so if you miss one it can/will come back around again. Currently I have one for Citroen, Porsche, and Ferrari. Really wouldn't force a purchase unless you're trying to complete your car collection though.

And definitely not a silly question because I had to look this very thing up because they don't do much to explain it in the game.

@zupertramp @JudgeDredd Thanks, I think I’ll see how much credits I rack up before the offer expires and go from there.

The thought did occur to me last night as I booted up the game so I could be sure and get my ‘daily marathon’ lottery ticket that they really have patterned some of the game’s elements after live-service tactics, and I think the ‘special invitation’ is just another aspect of trying to lure one into playing daily and continuing to keep coming back for months and years to come.

Which, honestly, doesn’t sit well with me. I mean, I’m thoroughly enjoying the game so far and I have an itch to play it all the time; it doesn’t (yet) feel like a chore to log in daily or check the random aspects - like which cars are on the used shop today or what prize I get for my latest roulette wheel ticket. However I do feel like I’m being manipulated by it all. There’s a smidgen of ‘loot-boxeyness’ going on.

I have a friend who was into a mobile phone game and he was always locked onto that stupid thing where he had to go in everyday and make sure he did some kind of menial task to get daily credits. Eventually it evolved such that he became a part of some kind of clan and so he felt even more compelled to log in daily and grind activities to contribute to the clan point system because his fellow online mates ‘relied on him.’ Eventually I discovered he also started dropping money on microtransactions to help boost his clan’s rankings. It got to be quite silly and he was obsessed and would be on the game when we were out socializing. Finally he gave it up, I’m not sure why, but I think he realized how predatory it had become.

I’m not saying GT7 is like a mobile F2P scheme, but I recognize some of the tricks that designers use to snare the player into having eyes on their product every day and for more and more hours. It concerns me that Sony is likely to deploy these elements increasingly in their live-service future.

Which honestly, in a way, is what every game and every piece of entertainment does at its core anyways. Even Push Square. Producers of content want people using their product so they can profit from it. So I guess I can’t judge too harshly. As long as a person enjoys partaking the product, how bad can it be. But I for one have committed myself to not drop any extra money on microtransactions at the very least.

Sorry this turned into a stream of consciousness commentary. 😅 I guess I’m in a mood.

@Abarth_71 Just saw your reply too — thanks for the info. Good to know it’s not all that important. The time-limited nature of it made me question whether I would miss out if I didn’t take advantage.

@Th3solution Posting on your need for gold comment. I was the same way. The first 2 licenses and the first mission I had to gold everything. Now I am excepting passing and having more fun because of it.

As for your gotcha must keep playing comment, I see the comparison, but the biggest difference I see is if you don't log in each day your not losing out to other players like most mobile games where they get ahead with playing everyday and purchases of course. The game I noticed this happening the most at least for me on console was NeverWinter. The story was fun solo and even random grouping as you went, but doing dailies towards the endgame and slowly earn something was the biggest chore. It was so monotonous. I guess many endgame mmo are that way, but Neverwinter was the worst. The one I didn't mind much was MLB the Show. Daily logins slowly earned you cards. I just considered it a bonus if I did log in and that is how I treat GT7. Just my two cents on it all.

@Elodin Regarding “golding” and “1st placing” all the early licenses, races, and missions, I do feel like there more pressure on these early hours to max out opportunity since funds are more limited. I suspect after a while that credits to spend are less rare and I can loosen up a little. Right now I do feel like I need as many cars and as many credits as I can muster to keep competitive in some of these races. In order to win the Japanese AWD menu, I had to use the GTO I was awarded for getting all gold in the first license and I had to tune it pretty heavily to make the races more comfortably winnable.

And yeah, the prior post about the live-service elements, that’s a good point that the daily rewards and loot box-type items are not necessary to get a leg up, and appear to be mostly just bonus. They have tons of content in this game and lots of ways to get what you want/need. However, it was really fortuitous that I was awarded a Lexus RC-F through one of my roulette tickets and I’ve used that car for a lot of races and it has served me well. Sweet ride.