I would like to discuss with those who are trying to buy a new PS5 or Xbox series x and have been able to get one, due to stock availability and when stock drops, scalpers snatch up a huge portion of consoles.
If this is you appreciate the conversation and also discuss what can we do in regards to stopping the scalping part, so we can obtain a console
You're right, this would hurt a lot more if there were many good games going unplayed due to the shortage, but so far, I don't feel like I'm missing anything, really. I'm just guessing, but I think more PS5's will be available at right around the time Resi Village ships. I think both Sony and Capcom know this, or there would be another 'delay' on the game. At least, I hope that's the case. I've budgeted the thousand dollars I'll need for the 5 and the X for May. I might be thinking a little too optimistically, though.
Interesting you bring up the resident evil game
do you think also that the collectors edition has been scalped also and is appearing on ebay anywhere upto double the price?
also want more people replying on this thread, but one question to progress on
do you think its right that scalpers should be allowed to get away with what they are doing? or do you think that scalpers are depriving people of their rights to buy the new product - console, collectors game edition. also GPU's (nvidia/amd), considering all this stuff is sold out on pre-orders inc ps5 when launched on pre orders, and the scalpers are at times making more money than the retailer?
Also whats your feelings about ebay, cause majority of these products appear on ebay upto 3 times the retail price and ebay making money from scalpers, while at the same time ebay is promoting and condoning and even inspiring scalpers doing this when they send out their emails showing scalped products ?
In general, I place scalpers in the same category as horse thieves. Any person who makes their living by making things more expensive and less convenient for others is pretty much the opposite of Robin Hood. I see little difference between scalping and stealing, except in scalping, the victim is stupid enough to be willing. IMO, scalping should be a felony, and buying from a scalper should be a misdemeanor.
@LordSteev yeh i agree stupid enough to buy in some cases, but there is a lot more to it
Sometimes one may have no option, if you recall the Spiderman PS4 collectors edition, that sold out world wide on pre-order with huge volumes appearing on Ebay, each scalped item deprived a person the chance to buy(from a retailer) and thus causing a psychological impact on the person, where they will buy (of ebay) because it has a relative essence of connection to the person. I totally agree with you, that they are thief's and should be receiving criminal charges
On ebay right now, 1 scalper is selling 55 units of the PS5 (sold 54) at $1899 AU dollars this works out to be over 100k AU$ they have made, this means 55 people were deprived from right to buy the console at the retail price and ebay has made at least 10% of that is over10 thousand dollars. There are 16000 listings of the PS5 on ebay also - the retail price for the ps5 in AU is 749 dollars. I dont think any platforms should be legally allowed to allow scalping to exist on their platforms - whats your thoughts on the matter
@OrigamiCrane what if you had a heart condition to where its possible that heart condition could cause you to have a heart attack and die. Due to scalpers they stole your chance of getting the game, your not rich as being able to afford the rip off price due to other expenses.
Especially with the console and every time from the pre-order and each batch of shipments prevented you from purchasing the console that you would get to enjoy for a short time. It affects your life not having it, and you pass away never getting it? - I know this is just declared a possible scenario
dont you think you had a legal right to buy the console within the first place? your buying the console for its purpose of playing it, not to basically go out and rip off another person like scalpers do, who solely only to buy it causing a person to miss out on buying it retail and ripping of anyone buying.
what if you also contacted a platform where they are listing them, requesting them to delist scalping
also your words, that I dont even care? what if the scalped pre-ordered collectable the publisher sees the product going on scalped platforms and decides to raise the price to double the retail price so as they see scalpers doing it? So the collectable games start at 1k dollar price point in the future?
Should scalping be disallowed from platforms, for scalpers to become charged criminally, because they are not buying the product to enjoy it, they are solely buying the product so its not actually capable of being bought from a retail store, so they can inflate the prices and rip people off?
I do thank lordsteev for the response, its so true
My wife got me a PS5 on launch from a scalper. $900 for a disc version. It’s not as bad as it sounds though, he was just a local college kid who managed to pickup a dozen of them for money on the side.
Since I’m coming from a PS3, it was worth it. I have a massive PS4 backlog now. I didn’t realize that I missed out on an amazing gen.
@djdizzy what if ps6 or the xbox sees that and they say if scalpers can do it we will jack up the price to 1200 dollars ?
though your accepting of the "kid" doing it, that kid specifically bought items purposely to stop others buying them and placed them on a platform at an inflated price - you did have a legal right to buy 1 of the consoles the retailer sold to that scalper.
PS4 was good, I totally agree
but what if I am a multi millionaire and I decide wow, I can literally make quite a few more million, so I go out and bought every single pre order and batch that comes in, and I will raise the price 500 dollars more than the retail price and place it up on ebay? this means no one can buy the product from the retailer and anyone wanting this product is forced to go to ebay where I list it.
Ebay then gets to make huge amount of money from me doing them themselves - they promote my scalped products - it is a possible scenario
also how is it fair to retailers? - what if retailers start actually issuing the consoles on ebay rather than selling retail, because there is many cases where ebay is making more profits than the retailer. Why as a retailer should I sell at the retail price and adhere to commercial contracts with sony or the wholesaler or the publisher?
@djdizzy also what if sony decides to deem the console second hand - because its not bought from a retailer meaning that there is more hands touching it and anything could happen. because technically it is, once it is sold at retail price, any listing on ebay it is now a second product, regardless whether the scalper opened it or not, so sony declares the warranty is void because you bought it from a non genuine retailer and specifically speaking once a product is sold at retail price it is automatically second hand
@lexxel I don’t know how Sony is treating the issue of warranty transferability for those who buy the unit second-hand. I assume that since the unit has been out less than a year, that they will honor the warranty for now, no matter where it is purchased from and whether it is “second hand” or not. However, if there is still a large scalping market a year from now, I do wonder if proof of purchase will be required and not having a valid receipt might get in the way of having Sony replace a lemon unit.
As for the appropriateness of scalping, I’ve been pretty vocal on these forums about my frustration of not being able to find a PS5, as well as my thoughts that the scalping market is hurting Sony’s (and other publishers’) bottom line due to the opportunity cost of a consumer’s money going toward a scalper’s mark-up rather than toward games they could have otherwise purchased with that money. Not to mention the reduction in PS5’s out in the wild while they sit in scalpers inventories not creating revenue. Because we all know that Sony sells these things at cost (basically not making a profit off the sale of the actual PS5) because they know every PS5 out there in the hands of a gamer makes them money through PSN sales.
Just so it doesn’t come across that I’ve not seen the other side of things - when I’ve voiced this opinion before it’s been brought to my attention that the number of idle PS5s sitting in scalpers’ garages is quite small compared to the total number sold and I get that. But in my opinion it’s still too many.
However, despite my opinions above, I do not think that legislation and criminal charges is the answer. There should be freedom to sell things second hand and it is certainly done in other markets all the time, from everything like concert tickets to stuffed plushies. What I do think needs to happen is Sony getting involved and somehow working with their retailers to ensure a more fair distribution of their product. Surely something could be done to counter the bots that these scalpers use. It seems like it’s getting better out there, but I’d hope that the company that makes the item is proactive to make sure their product gets sold the way they intended and to the their fans. They intended to sell the thing at cost for a reason, otherwise they would have just made the price $1000 from the get-go.
@Th3solution
yes sony sells at cost, a small markup from wholesalers then the retail price - so sony most likely pays wholesaler out of the price before retailer gets the goods too sell.
do you think that any site listing scalpers should be held accountable also? - like ebay, ebay actually promotes and condones but also inspires people to scalp. Ebay wont take listings off their site, where even an abundance of evidence shows people selling 50+ units of the PS5 and others showing multiple listings of xbox series x and other goods also. Ebay also emails people, this is where they actually inspire people to purposely buy goods, and place listings at inflated prices, where individuals may have gotten the product at retail price and then there is no issue of warranty
I agree that sony and xbox and nvidia etc may honor the warranty but at the same time they are not obligated to do so, the console was sold to john doe, john doe only have one desire to sell it to others for a profit, in the possession of john doe or john doe sending off the goods, the console may have had damage, (many of the consoles are opened by the john does).
I agree people should be able to sell their second hand stuff, however ebay was listing pre-orders - this clearly defines the person taking an item off the shelf robbing someone else to buy the product and purposely then selling it on ebay - ebay makes money so its in their best interest to condone promote and even inspire others to do this in the future. Especially when pre-orders were selling for 3k and ebay was earning more than the retailer at this point. Its not just consoles but also games, discussion stated resident evil game exclusive collectors edition, sold out completely on pre-orders and then sold on ebay. Being exclusive represents only the store with the contractual agreement being able to sell it, all other retail stores cannot sell it, but the listing is going up on ebay without consequences thanks to scalpers and ebay - ebay is this sense is literally equal to being a scammer and a thief, ebay paid nothing for advertising for the promotion of this product, it does not exist on the market and ebay is making more than the exclusive retailer that also had to pay for special rights to sell it so other stores cannot sell it
Do you think Ebay should be held accountable ?
I personally do see a very strong case for people to make a class action law suit against ebay, as they are making millions while inspiring others to rip off people, i do believe there is quite enough information and evidence to warrant a multi-international class action law suit - there was already a class action law suit against the dual sense controllers for drift at present time. Here we have ebay who cares nothing about anyone rights and basically makes money while inspiring others to do it
Personally, I hate the scalper angle. I do think there is some responsibility for store sellers to anticipate high demand and do some sort of better screening to try and prevent bots and mass purchasing. For example, one console per account, some sort of check for human interaction etc. Ultimately, when online store fronts crash then it must affect sales for other parts of their store.
As for Ebay and reselling sites - it's tough. They pride themselves on selling for marketvalue. I sold a retro gaming consol 9 years ago for £40 but it goes for £150 now. Obviously it is different from scalping but they would argue that it is the consumer who purchases these that is responsible. Not sure where i sit with it.
Now I may be an idiot, but there's one thing I am not sir, and that sir, is an idiot
I haven't tried, my last ps5 was from Walmart.com 12/15 but following the right people on Twitter that posts notifications helped me out. IMHO they should start selling in store I get they're trying to keep people safe but have you seen the Pokémon people its no different than gamers trying to get a console
Stock issues for me in the states my main 3 stores i check weekly wallyword, Target and Best buy always have no stock and if they do have it seems like its only for the Series S no Series X or PlayStation 5 and i refuse to buy a all digital console i rather wait till the stock is good.
It's impossible to obtain a PS5 around where I am (Norway)!
I've had hard times getting new launch console systems in the past, such as both PS3 and PS4, but the current one is actually worrying me to the point that I start wondering if I will be able to play the next COD which probably will be released come November?
I mean, if I'm still just stuck with my PS4, and thousands of others like me, and being unable to purchase and play the next COD, this will affect the sales I presume? Or do anyone know if Activision and other companies are due to ship new games for both platforms through this year?
@lexxel I see what you’re saying, but I’m not sure that the consumer is being directly harmed by Ebay. Those who purchase from EBay do so willingly. Do I agree with those people who “feed the monster”, so to speak, by continuing to support Ebay and other specialized second-hand retailers? No, I have never really used Ebay anyways and certainly in the situation of PS5, I’d not use them on principle alone because, as you say, I don’t think I want to support such devious practices that scalpers use.
I do think Ebay has responsibility to ensure that sellers in their site are truthfully representing what they sell and are not purposefully making false sales, like the people being sold pictures of a PS5 for $500. That is EBay’s responsibility to police and I think they are doing a good job at that, from what I hear.
But a class action lawsuit against Ebay doesn’t really make sense because people are knowingly using it and voluntarily paying over market value. I realize Ebay is indirectly encouraging scalping, but I don’t think it’s their responsibility to take scalpers off their site. So while I don’t agree with it in practice, I don’t think it’s illegal. Immoral? Maybe. But not illegal.
If anyone has leverage agains Ebay, I think it may be Sony actually. Because they are the party being harmed by scalping and they have grounds to say that Ebay’s practice of encouraging people to use nefarious means to deprive legitimate customers from a purchase is causing them objective harm.
For an example: Let’s say there was a bakery that made 100 delicious donuts per day. They sell out every morning. An enterprising person runs to the front of the line each morning, using sneaking tactics to get in front of people to get to the front of the line and then buys 20 donuts then takes them out front and sells them to the people at the back of the line for a large mark-up. Those customers who buy from the individual are not being forced to buy them. The other people in line can’t sue him for taking away the chance for a donut. It’s not like they have an inherent right to have the donut. (It’s a different story if the item in question was a vaccine or life saving medicine, but I digress) But the bakery owner may have grounds to sue the guy for obstructing his business and could claim that although the Baker got paid for the donuts, he relied on selling the donut to get people into the store because they always bought coffee with their donut and he made a nice profit off the coffee. The donut is only a means to get people in the door, and now they won’t come buy coffee because they paid so much just for the donut and so they just eat it with some water.
Even then, he probably couldn’t actually sue because it would be hard to prove how much money he lost to the donut scalper. But to me it would seem that in order to keep the peace and maintain good standing in the community that the Baker would put security out front to ensure no one cuts in line. That’s what makes sense, imo. Why Sony hasn’t put a bouncer at the door is a mystery to me.
@Rudy_Manchego ebay does in fact inspire people to purposely take any stock from pre - orders to new batch shipments and scalp them
the link i placed - shows a retail pre-release exclusive title from a store known as EBgames being sold on ebay as a pre-order with false advertising that its new as once sold retail the product is automatically second hand. There is no more pre-sales left with EBgames and the product is not even on the market - ebays excuse does not even hold water as anyone with a passion to buy that is forced to buy it off ebay because their rights were deprived off them from buying it from EBgames
same with ps5 and xobx series x - no stock
I am tired off it personally and it becomes worse as time goes on - I have already submitted to unbisoft I can no longer buy their collectors for assassins creed anymore as owning all the statues and the last one vahalla being sold out on pre-order and appearing on ebay - i titled my messaged to ubisoft i can longer support your games and collectors due to my collection being disrupted by ebay
Ebay should not allow scalped products on their platform - there are ways they can actually stop that in filter processes within the listing - but also the ps5 - playstation being the biggest sold console in history - well ebay knows its brand new on the market with the xbox - they can see 16000 listings that stop anyone from buying it with clear information all retailers have no stock. Ebay condones scalpers to obtain the product and jack up the prices and they inspire people to do it as ebay makes huge sums of money from it
I really do think if an international class action law suit to ebay - would succeed but also make every single other platform refuse scalping also and i do think if a international class action was to generate it would be within the hundreds of millions
I did request ebay last year also to disallow scalpers and also contacted ebay when the spiderman ps4 collectors edition that completely sold out world wide, so ebay could stop scalping
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