@TraCuz- wow, really interesting. I knew it! Morgana does get to be a person! Yeah, the video ends at the palace and so I have to search some more to see the scenes at the end of the palace. I have looked around at some other end game Royal videos and it’s kinda confusing. Since I never met the extra characters I’m not really sure what going on there. But it is good to know that Morgana gets his redemption!
After seeing some of the supplemental story of Royal, I do see the allure of playing through it again to get the full experience. I probably won’t be doing it any time soon though.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy Thanks! I was proud of having finally completed it. I did push through the end a little more aggressively because of getting the PS5. I didn’t want P5 to be hanging over my head since I knew once I jumped into the PS5 that I might neglect some of the PS4 backlog. These games are real marathons and sometimes that’s a good thing, and sometimes not.
I’ve never been really good at remembering or appreciating the music in games, so I completely can’t remember the ending song either, and I just recently finished it. I did like the music in general though. I’m going to play Persona 5 Dancing in Starlight at some point.
But hey, it’s all good - Maybe Persona 6 will redeem the series again for you! 😄
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy The ending song for P5 is great! There’s a whole bit where Lyn hits a high note while the percussion kicks in which is a proper chefs kiss moment 😂
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy To be perfectly honest, I really dislike every battle track in Persona 5. But for me, the music all around Tokyo totally makes up for it.
@Kidfried Really nice thoughts there. You probably are around half way, but I can’t speak to the extra Royal content which adds a fair amount of content at the end, so it’s possible you’re a little shy of the halfway mark. And it depends on if you’re going to spend time in the late game fishing for the guardian, ranking and maxing your level in Mementos, doing all the targets in Mementos, fusing all the personas, getting the Strength persona maxed, etc.
As far as your confidant ranking, I actually agree with a lot of your top 10. Takemi ftw! I’d actually move Morgana and Ryuji down a bit and move Sojiro way up into the top 10. I didn’t care for him at first, but he ends up with a fantastic arc in the latter half, imo. I don’t actively dislike Yusuke, although his story was one of my least favorite. I’m not sure I’d put him at the very bottom, but in the lower half. Part of it is I’m not sure how realistic the idea of plagiarizing art is, since I’m not an artist, but it does seem a little unusual as a plot device.
Yuuki would probably be my bottom one; he’s just pretty annoying all across the board, both with the in-game dialogue and texts, as well as his side story. I would also move up Kawakami. It’s a strange relationship, to be sure, but something about her I found mildly endearing, despite the creepiness of it all. I’d have her in the middle somewhere.
Obviously I have no opinion of the Royal specific confidants, outside of the YouTube footage I watched after I completed the game. Kasumi seems kinda middling to me too. There are still a couple key confidants you’ve yet to encounter and so I’m curious what you think of them. One of them I liked, one I didn’t, although it was a case of awful voice acting ruining it for me in that individual.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
I finished Strikers and it was okay. Pretty good. That's fine. I missed social links. The story felt like a retread of 5. But I loved having the band back together.
I'm fuming at the trophy list though. It's one of those annoying ones where the trophy list is easy and then they have one obnoxious grindy one that takes like a billion hours to get. Canny.
@Kidfried Regarding Kawakami, I can definitely agree that it’s a strange and awkward exchange that is difficult to really invest any emotional tie, despite the game giving her an empathetic background story. In fact, it’s a little bit of a double standard the way the game treats her relationship and then vilifies Kamoshida. Obviously there is the large issue of consent that separates the two, but realistically Kawakami should be under fire as well. But taking all that clear narrative dissonance out of the picture, her perks are among the most useful in the game, whereby you get a lot of extra time when she calls teachers out of the class for you and then does the massage after a palace or mementos visit so you can spend some time on social links or character traits afterwards. Having her maxed was key to my being able to get all the confidants. So I guess the actual gameplay benefits is what made her confidant a worthwhile investment.
And its great that you warmed up to Sojiro, because his relationship feels among the most ‘real’ in the game to me.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
RE Kawakami: It did always strike me as weird that you essentially have a slave who will jump on a dime to massage you for free. Not that I'm complaining: it's wonderful being able to go out at night.
Also, skipping class to read is really nice.
In terms of perks, Kawakami is definitely Best Girl.
Well that's Persona 5 Royal completed. It only took me four months! It's very, very long and not as well paced as Persona 3 or 4, but I enjoyed it thoroughly.
As for the Confidants: Kawakami is a creep. The way she keeps calling the main character "master" is gross. The woman should be ashamed of herself! Her final perk is very useful, although I didn't make much use of it as I didn't max her confidant until the third semester. I still find Mishima annoying and wished there was an option to slap him. My favourite original confidants are Futaba and Sojiro.
Royal confidant (well, an expansion of a confidant from the original game): Akechi is great. I hated him in the first game, but despite being quite insane and something of a psychopath, he's great. I love the English vocal performance when he drops all pretence of being the Detective Prince.
So I've took the plunge over the bank holiday weekend and started Persona 5, I've had massive doubts about the game since well Forever but seen as it's on ps plus collection I thought I'd give it a go. I am going to do something I don't usually and play 2 games at once, mainly because this game takes along time by the sounds of it and also so I don't get burnt out, if I just have a few sessions at a time I may enjoy it alot better although at some point it may end up being my main game 🤣
Anyway I'm about 10 hours in and I've got to say I'm enjoying it alot more than I thought I would, I was put off by all the videos I'd seen because the artwork during battles didn't appeal to me with the writing all over the place and the amount of text chat I'd heard a couple of people say it's all way to long and alot of it is just nonsense but from what I've played so far I'm a little bit hooked. Hopefully I can stick with it and make it all the way through.
@MaulTsir Yeah, I got to where I just skimmed the text messages and even some of the main dialogue since chances are you’ll be reading or hearing it all again later anyways. 😅
But outside of that the story is actually good, so hopefully you continue to find enjoyment in it.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
@Th3solution yeah I've played a few more hours I barely feel like I'm scratching the surface as of yet and there hasn't been to much combat either but some of the conversations seem a but pointless as on they have nothing to do with the story just although I feel there's an over arching plot point that it's eventually all pointing too, I'm still enjoying it though and feel like I want to keep playing.
In honesty I never really fancied it but with it being on ps plus collection and the way nearly everyone raves about it I felt like I can't loose anything but time by giving it a go, I think it was your comments along with a few others that got my interest in it more active I've noticed we seem to have similar gaming interests and thoughts (trying to make that sound the least stalking I can) 🤣
@MaulTsir It makes me glad to see that my comments may have swayed you to give it a try! Although I often feel nervous when I praise or recommend a game because ultimately it may fall flat with someone else and then I feel a twinge of guilt for wasting a person’s time. 😅
But so long as you go in with eyes wide open to Persona 5’s quirks and shortcomings, then you can’t go wrong by at least trying it.
And I will say, and I apologize if I’m repeating what I may have said prior somewhere, that a person could probably go through the game much quicker than I did. At 130 hours for my playthrough, I think I’m at the far end of the spectrum for time to get to the end. It’s probably possible to get the main content done in 90-100 hours if you forego some of the superfluous side activities and social sim stuff. For me that was the most enjoyable part and so I made a conscious effort to level up every confidant and trait. Certainly a lot of that is optional.
I forget if you mentioned any prior experience with the franchise, either the other Persona games or the related SMT games. Have you ever played any of those? If not then the learning curve is probably pretty steep. Not that the turn based elemental weakness reliant combat is anything unique to JRPG’s, but it’s done in a way in the SMT games that if you don’t take advantage of utilizing weaknesses and strengths in your attacks and strategy then it can make for frustrating dungeon crawling. The buffs and debuffs are also more important to utilize than in other games, imo. But if you’ve played other Persona games then you’ll likely have fallen right back into a groove since the core combat philosophy is pretty consistent across the series, in my experience.
Really curious to see how you get along with it! Got a favorite character or confidant yet?
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3LReally? Yusuke's story didn't click with ya? My stomach sank when Madarame said not only did he steal his mother's painting (which I thought it was a nice touch it was a portrait of Yusuke and his mother) but he literally watched her die. And yeah they definitely switch the format up by saying your next target contacts the Thieves, we definitely gotta talk about that palace because it's my favorite. Same brother, I absolutely adore this game. P5R and FF7 are both my favorites of all time, I can't choose which I love more. The only complaint I walked away from P5R with is that it's a little too long for it's own good, but you may not have that issue. I beat the base game, taking a break and saving Royal content for later in the year. Btw the Royal content may be some of the best expansion/dlc story stuff I've had the pleasure of playing. Royal's content is so meaningful to the game I honestly couldn't believe it even though I've only dabbled, idk why I was expecting just some tacked on content but they went full throttle with it. Also this was my first Persona game ever. I probably won't go back and play the others, maybe look up story summaries on YouTube. But you better believe I'm showing up day 1 for a collector's edition for Persona 6.
Nearing the end of the original game's story now. Hoping to beat Yaldabaoth tonight. Really excited to get to the third semester content!
I just realized I've now played this game twice (the OG one in 2017, and Royal in 2021) and have COMPLETELY ignored the politician confidant both times, lmao.
Haru and Makoto too, actually. I'm hoping I can rank up with them in the third semester.
Also a little disappointed clothing options are gender locked in this one. I can run with an all-butler look, but Joker can't wear a maid outfit, so an all-maid crew is a no-go (whereas, in SMT IV: Apocalypse, you could dress up your main character to look like a goth maid, which was good fun). And the maid outfits for my party members suck anyway: the colors make them look less like maids and more like waitresses.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L Man o man I just love my little guy Morgana, he makes me wanna get a cat irl haha. Makoto's character and her tie to Sae had me really interested, I really like how she's just that voice of reasoning. There's a song from the OST I want you to look up but I'm gonna let the game reveal it to you. When you hear a song that's equally chill as Beneath The Mask you'll know. And don't worry man you can full on expect discussion once Intergrade drops, gotta say though glad we're getting all the Dirge and Deep Ground stuff out the way xD.
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