''Accepting that aggression in that environment is acceptable feeds into the toxic culture''
Well, it seems like we should agree to disagree in this instance.
I've been playing MP online since the mid-90s with the likes of Quake and Team Fortress and such and I can categorically state swearing and aggression have always been the norm amongst a certain type of player. It's always been there as it is part of a certain mindset that stems from a competitive nature and born of frustration. It can also give that type of player a psychological boost.
McEnroe vs Borg is an example of competitive/aggressive nature. Aggression is part and parcel of the psyche of any winner. This feeds back into the old adage, ''Nice Guys Finish Last''.
Swearing is also an expression of the English language and I don't think we should be condemning people for that.
I do however acknowledge the difference between general cursing out loud and say abusing, bullying and or racism/sexism/hounding etc. I am not down with that at all.
''Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right''
Ricky Gervais
There are different types of players with different types of mentality and ability and personality, and if they've paid their dues, they should get to play online, always.
I use to play a lot of Battlefield until the last incarnation, and if people were being a they'd get kicked/banned from that server, but they weren't excluded from online play or BF online as a whole, and that seems pretty reasonable and fair to me.
@Wraggadam Ahh, I am afraid I can't agree. I don't swear myself but you have to understand that by their very nature, online multiplayer shooters have an aggressive aspect, after all, they are aimed at people who want to release tension after school/work and the games usually depicts extreme violence, gore etc. These games have been rated pegi18/ In an adult environment which these games are aimed there should be no rules on speech with the exception of harassment and hate speech, racism and so on, especially If you've pad 60 for the game and 40 for your online pass.
I do however believe that the studio that made the games and the consoles that implement them should work on servers that have, say a safe space for protecting the sensitive/young from such behaviour, absolutely, but banning a console player and removing his whole library of purchases for cursing, I find that a little ridiculous.
I do however agree with you on certain competitive behaviour ruining a fun time but again, In my opinion, can really only be changed by better server filtering implementation, opt-in/out etc
@Wraggadam Ahhh, you've missed my point completely. I was talking about the protection of bought digital goods. Regardless of online behaviour these goods should remain the property of buyer, something that cannot be exploited with physical goods. Yes, In an ideal world nobody would swear online but competitiveness can bring out emotional responses which when frustrated we are all guilty of at some point.
What concerns me is in this new culture of non physical games purchasing is losing all of your games from being banned for really inane offences like swearing. I think your purchase should be separated from your user account and be held as licenses that can be applied to your new account if you are banned.
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''Accepting that aggression in that environment is acceptable feeds into the toxic culture''
Well, it seems like we should agree to disagree in this instance.
I've been playing MP online since the mid-90s with the likes of Quake and Team Fortress and such and I can categorically state swearing and aggression have always been the norm amongst a certain type of player. It's always been there as it is part of a certain mindset that stems from a competitive nature and born of frustration. It can also give that type of player a psychological boost.
McEnroe vs Borg is an example of competitive/aggressive nature. Aggression is part and parcel of the psyche of any winner. This feeds back into the old adage, ''Nice Guys Finish Last''.
Take a look at this research by Dr Richard Stephans@Keele university.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4475446/Shouting-swear-words-make-stronger-study-finds.html
Swearing is also an expression of the English language and I don't think we should be condemning people for that.
I do however acknowledge the difference between general cursing out loud and say abusing, bullying and or racism/sexism/hounding etc. I am not down with that at all.
''Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right''
Ricky Gervais
There are different types of players with different types of mentality and ability and personality, and if they've paid their dues, they should get to play online, always.
I use to play a lot of Battlefield until the last incarnation, and if people were being a they'd get kicked/banned from that server, but they weren't excluded from online play or BF online as a whole, and that seems pretty reasonable and fair to me.
Re: Almost Half of All PS4 Software Now Purchased Digitally
@Wraggadam Ahh, I am afraid I can't agree. I don't swear myself but you have to understand that by their very nature, online multiplayer shooters have an aggressive aspect, after all, they are aimed at people who want to release tension after school/work and the games usually depicts extreme violence, gore etc. These games have been rated pegi18/ In an adult environment which these games are aimed there should be no rules on speech with the exception of harassment and hate speech, racism and so on, especially If you've pad 60 for the game and 40 for your online pass.
I do however believe that the studio that made the games and the consoles that implement them should work on servers that have, say a safe space for protecting the sensitive/young from such behaviour, absolutely, but banning a console player and removing his whole library of purchases for cursing, I find that a little ridiculous.
I do however agree with you on certain competitive behaviour ruining a fun time but again, In my opinion, can really only be changed by better server filtering implementation, opt-in/out etc
Re: Almost Half of All PS4 Software Now Purchased Digitally
@Wraggadam Ahhh, you've missed my point completely. I was talking about the protection of bought digital goods. Regardless of online behaviour these goods should remain the property of buyer, something that cannot be exploited with physical goods. Yes, In an ideal world nobody would swear online but competitiveness can bring out emotional responses which when frustrated we are all guilty of at some point.
Re: Almost Half of All PS4 Software Now Purchased Digitally
What concerns me is in this new culture of non physical games purchasing is losing all of your games from being banned for really inane offences like swearing. I think your purchase should be separated from your user account and be held as licenses that can be applied to your new account if you are banned.