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@ChrisDeku We both know that not all of those people paid full price. Also, the steam launch wasn't as strong. Also, the budget was higher. Also, the community wasn't as obsessed with the sequel as they were with the original. The developers were smart to move on. I hope that the developers of Horizon are smart enough to see the writing on the wall as well. The developers of SM2 were smart enough to cancel the DLC

@ChrisDeku Keep telling yourselves that. Meanwhile Santa Monica have moved on to other things after Ragnarok didn't outdo the original in anything including sales or reviews.

@EfYI Spoken like someone who hasn't been scammed a lot

@Batesy125s Then Ubisoft shouldn't have invested so much money in this indie project

@EfYI Even if KC2 turns out to be a scam?

Why does PushSquare say that this is a SP game? Thankfully I am using a PC so a quick google search took me to the steam page where it very clear that this is a coop mp game. I almost got excited about Monster Hunter.

@MrPeanutbutterz Modern games are mega expensive. Such a sharp decline in sales will scare off publishers. Spiderman 2 didn't make enough money for DLC to be worth making.

@AgentGuapo There is use for the pro. It's just that it's annoying that Sony is trying to extract more money from old games while not releasing anything.

@Flaming_Kaiser Sharp decline. Not to mention how much the fanbase hated the story and game play formula last time around. If they don't do something different next time they will find have a straight up controversial launch on their hands like Bethesda and Ubisoft

@ecurb7 GOW, Horizon and SM sequels are did worse than the originals and had larger budgets.

I hope that this flop will force Ubisoft to try and appeal to gamers again. The rumors about AC Hexe are... let's just say that even Ubisoft knows everyone will be pissed.

@AdamNovice Just goes to show that people are as tired of Horizon as they were of Killzone. Time to move on.

DAMN. 33% of the profits go to the developer. Seems kinda *****.

On which platforms?

@MrPeanutbutterz Just because the developers are passionate doesn't mean that it translated into a better product. HFW had a lukewarm reception overall. I hope that the studio switches things up.

@PuppetMaster Maybe around 7-9 years?

I've noticed that there is a trend that these Sony sequels do worse than the originals. Spiderman 2, GOW Ragnarok and HFW didn't outdo the originals while surely being more expensive to make.

Gives me hope for a new and better Sony in 5 years time.

@Ainu20 I don't know what has lowered the IQ of gamers more. Lead poisoning or Ubisoft games.

Sci-Fi is the next logical step. Or something funkier like Cyberpunk. I just don't want more high-school games from a studio as big as Atlus.

@Puketapu Freedom is never a problem. Focusing on quantity over quality always is.

@DonJorginho I just want you to know that what you are saying right now is reinforcing the fact that creating games that appear woke is a bad business move.

And no, the real reason Starfield, Horizon and AC disappoint and are headed for straight up failure is because the gameplay and writing are painfully generic. The games are outdated. BG3 is innovative in it's genre and ambitious.

@Medic_alert They are not making a fortune. CDPR, Larian and FromSoft are making a fortune. That's why they are expanding.

I am a believer in capitalism because it works. It's the sole reason we are gamers to begin with. Your precious Disco Elysium wouldn't even exist without AAA games. There would be no justification in creating small weird niche products without the massive infrastructure that capitalism provides.

@thefourfoldroot1 In my experience people say that VR is kinda clunky and gets old fast. Especially because most of the games are short or goofy looking.

@Jswift56 Standards are increasing over time. Back when Horizon 1 came out there were millions of PS4 users who still weren't bored of the bland open world formula so they enjoyed it and gave it scores it didn't deserve. By the time the sequel came out the jig was up. If Horizon 3 isn't a massive shake up with an actually interesting narrative they will have a hole in their pockets like Ubisoft.

They can polish this turd as much as they want, it's still a turd. If the next Horizon game isn't a massive improvement in structure and especially writing they will start facing the same problems Ubisoft are facing now.

@Medic_alert If the developers are not pushing back then they have no rights to complain. Game development is just a job. The goal is to make money.

It's fun to treat games as art in online discussions when they are successful, but the reality is that most games that don't follow industry standards or target big demographics fail and someone ends up losing money.

Chicken or the egg?

People don't care about VR because of small games or developers don't make big games because people don't care about VR?

2 of the most loaded questions of the modern age.

@trev666 Releasing a cheaper game might scare people off who are hoping to find the next massive AAA RPG tho.

@Medic_alert Again in the defense of the 'money men' the developers of Suicide Squad and Concord wanted to work on the games they were making. They were just bad games.

There is a big skill gap in the gaming industry. Not a creativity issue. And yes a lot of developers target niche or nonexistent demographics and wonder why they don't find financial success.

@Medic_alert All I'm saying is that 'corporate greed' is a massive oversimplification. There are many people involved from both the development and the funding side. Just recently the director of The Callisto Protocol admitted that he didn't say or do enough to make sure that the game meets the expectations of fans.

And many studios that do lay offs simply don't release games that make sense like DONTNOD and surely Deck Nine will be on the chopping block as well. Compare them to FromSoft who increased the salaries of their employees.

Looks very rough. I doubt it will do well.

@LowDefAl I did allude to that right at the start of the post. Of course BG3 will do better than whatever indie game with a cutesy artsy that 50k people will buy max. And rightly so. BG3 is a much better product.