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Quite the scathing write up from Push Square who 10 days ago wrote "Concord - Live Service Debut Beats the Hate with Stellar Presentation and Good Gameplay" and gave the game 7/10.

SNAFU doesn't make sense in the first paragraph especially when you prefix it with 'unfortunate' . SNAFU means that the situation is bad, but that this is a normal state of affairs. Clearly, the situation here isn't normal. That's why Push Square is reporting on it.

I still play my launch day copy of THPS 3 on my PS2 regularly. One of my favs

@Mortal Yep, that's what I did! I have no interest in Astrobot. I played the games but don't have an encyclopaedic knowledge of it. I worked out in past quizzes that was what people were doing. So I thought I would try and run the race too. It worked! Hopefully, everyone next week will do the same and we can then ditch the "leader board" and go back to just having a fun quiz. It's a little like trophies/achievements. Some people have begun to look past the quality and fun of playing a game just to hunt trophies for some kind of misguided social status.

I don't buy games on day one anymore. I used to years ago when a AAA was about £30 or £40. I'm glad people buy day one though as they are subsidising my purchase and funding any DLC that will come later.

Don't know why they even bothered with Stars. If they don't want to reward users then why even introduce the system in the first place? Also what about the month or so lost when the system went down? Did that count towards a month? The whole system seems like a game of move the goal posts and if you're an average PS purchaser and lucky you may get a discount. Whales are the ones who benefit most from the system.

Not bothered by trophies. I was hoping Future Perfect would have online multiplayer enabled but from what I can gather, this is not the case. That would have been an instant buy from me. I'll stick with the original PS2 versions of TS2 and Future Perfect over LAN with my nephew.

They aren't bad. I will add to my account. They are there if I do want to play them, so long as I am on essential.
I used to be on Premium but have recently moved down to the lowest tier for the multiplayer and access to the games we have been given on PS+ since 2010. Many of which are not available on the higher tiers.
PS+ 'Premium' and 'Extra' catalogue games will always be there. No need to be subscribed to Premium or Extra for long periods. I wasn't playing many of the games on the premium tier for the 2 years I had it for.

I guess this is one of those games that will not be re-released/backwards compatible in future generations due to short sighted music licensing problems?

another week, another "sale"

@J2theEzzo Knowing modern business practises, it will still be £60 (or $/euro equivalent) but no added games. With a steady creeping price increase once a year.

Wouldn't be surprised if they take away these free games soon anyway. The more people whinge about the games each month not being to their personal expectation, the more likely they make the lowest tier just for online play and cloud saves only.

Ubisoft are out of original ideas. "Assassin's Creed games [to] come out more regularly"... what does this mean? It feels like there has been one Assassin's Creed game every year since the first. The series lost all it's shine after Black Flag and even then it felt long in the tooth. I see the name and roll my eyes these days. The series should go on a 10 year hiatus.

Who guessed this would happen!? The price point has been all wrong since the beginning. Now it will be consigned to the loooong list of products Sony abandoned. Might pick it up cheap at CEX.

Absolutely brilliant game, made by the people who made 007 Goldeneye and Perfect Dark and often considered their spiritual successor. As a launch title, this was my first PS2 game and experience with PS2. The game doesn't have a campaign as such but instead has a number of speed running levels with different challenges and difficulties. This game was all about the couch multiplayer. 4 player couch multiplayer with friends was especially fun. Great soundtrack too! The music for the Chinese Restaurant level is ingrained into my memory. That level and song made it into all three games, it was that good. It would be nice to have online multiplayer added in but that sadly will not happen. Still play my original copy from time to time on the same PS2 with the multi-tap adapter.

@jorel262 I don't own those unfortunately but 'The Sly Trilogy' on PS3 at CEX is £60. I have Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time though and I think that was given away with PS Plus back in the PS3 days

Did a comparison of the PS3 version of Tomb Raider Legend and this PS2 version on PS5. The PS3 version which comes with TR: Anniversary and TR: Underworld, looks better (without what looks like Vaseline smeared over it) and also includes trophies. It was cheaper and came in a box which you can put on a shelf when not in use, as well as including a manual and disc meaning I didn't even need to connect to the internet to play.

Never bought GTA V. I played through the single player via this PS+ promotion. No interest in the online portion of the game or paying for micro transactions. Glad I played it. It was great. No need to buy it now. Maybe if I see it for a quid at a car boot or something.

What I would give for a new PC Command & Conquer game. Even a remaster of Generals.

I wonder if Helldivers 3 will be console exclusive for a year or so first now. To sell the console and then go over to PC when the sales dry up a bit on the console side.

@Vacuumator that may have been me (?) from Push Square article "Will You Pay the PSVR2 Launch Price?" (2nd Nov 2022)

"That price is going to come down pretty fast and if it doesn't, PSVR2 will fail and then the price will drop anyway and end up on the rather large pile of other hardware Sony has abandoned. I do wonder if these companies live in the real world. This isn't an instrument/tool for carrying out medical procedures. It's peripheral that doesn't work stand alone or with other hardware but above all, it's a gimmick."

I got some rather passive aggressive comments from that.

I use remote play from my PS5 to PS4 regularly. Works well here. Played through Horizon games using it when I couldn't use the TV that the PS5 is connected to. It's not so great with FPS but most other genres are work well. I'm using Lan cables as wifi is always rubbish for 'almost' everything.

I think it's great Sony do this. I still regularly play my PS3 for PS1 classics and games not ported to newer systems yet etc.

How many Syphon Filter games are there? It feels like the series has had some kind of launch/addition given to it on PS+ Premium every month of Premium's existence. I am sure people love these games and I am happy for them but variety is really the spice of life and there are so many other games that can be added to the service.

@Korgon If you still have your PS3, you can still play FP. I played it a month or so ago. The online multiplayer seemed to be still working, unless I was mistaking players for bots. Same went for Battlefield 1943.

I gave the PS5 version a little go over the past couple of days having uninstalled soon after the games initial launch. It is a fair bit better than before. The amount of players is certainly diminished. It's not great but not completely terrible now. I also tried the PS4 version on an OG PS4 and that felt completely broken and probably abandoned.

It wold be funny if Sony signs up to the service with Microsoft. Only for Microsoft to tease a new Call of Duty each year and to only deliver Call of Duty occasionally when it feels like it. Letting Sony feel what it's like to be a PS+ Premium subscriber.

@Totheteeth I wouldn't expect someone like you to know but I'll simplify it for you... under contract law, a legally binding promise by one party (Sony) to fulfil an obligation (provide PS2 games and/with classics catalogue) to another party in return for consideration and payment (by the subscribers of PS Premium).
A promise was made by Sony to offer PS2 games (as advertised) for a price that they deemed fair (£2 extra a month, on top of the 'extra' fee, as you point out) and that PS Premium Subscribers considered also fair for services offered. Unfortunately, many subscribers feel Sony is not performing in their obligation. Shrewdly, Sony were intentionally vague about what was included in the service.
A practice, I am fairly positive, Sony wouldn't like to happen to themselves. (i.e. vague contracts made by Microsoft with Sony about how long Call of Duty will be on PlayStation.)

Every month, we get a story like this and Premium members have so far been let down! Why would this month be any different? Let's be honest, Sony will probably dig up another PS3 Assassins Creed game or Syphon Filter instead or even, NOTHING AT ALL! Much easier, much cheaper.

Frankly, It's an embarrassment. Reminds me a bit of the PS3 cross game chat debacle. The fan base is screaming and Sony pretends it's not happening.

The irony is that Sony leaving a bad taste in the mouths of their fanbase is that the fanbase will look else where. Either via Microsoft or piracy. As the article states, it does feel like a scam. Personally, I find scams difficult to forget, especially when it comes from a well known brand. I won't forget and will look for alternatives rather than giving more money to Sony. I suspect many others will feel the same way. Sony has shot themselves in the foot and this style of business mismanagement and disorganisation doesn't bode well for PlayStation in the long term. The problems need to be resolved as it smells of a money grab before the last hurrah. I think this may be the last (or maybe penultimate) run for the PlayStation brand and it will be interesting to see where the brand stands at the end of this generation.

PS1 & PS2 games on Premium has just become a sad joke at this point.

Can someone send Sony a memo that states 'variety is the spice of life'. Needless to say with these rumours I now fully expect no update this month to the PS Premium classics catalogue

I bought PSVR 1 at launch and god knows how long ago it was that I actually took it out of its box to play it. This will be the same

@KaijuKaiser Who said anything about living pay check to pay check?

They do say 'a fool and his money are easily parted'. That price is going to come down pretty fast and if it doesn't, PSVR2 will fail and then the price will drop anyway and end up on the rather large pile of other hardware Sony has abandoned. I do wonder if these companies live in the real world. This isn't an instrument/tool for carrying out medical procedures. It's peripheral that doesn't work stand alone or with other hardware but above all, it's a gimmick.

Just want to check... are there any Assassin's Creed games that are not on the service? So next month I know we won't have another added. Unless of course they take them off the service the week before so they can have something to put on the list for next months line up.

@GoodGame as are the stability updates

I wish they would put more Yakuza games on the service... Oh and Assassin's creed... Forget about the 3,061 PlayStation 1 games and over 4,000 PlayStation 2 titles.

@GoodGame You 'might' be correct. One of the annoying things about people wanting to Jailbreak their consoles is everyone else gets more stability firmware updates.

Sony should just sell platinum trophies. Maybe £5 each? What's the point in trophies now, with games (I use the word 'game' loosely) like this.

@riceNpea I had this problem when I first got my PS5 on launch day. I fixed it by using a better quality Ethernet cable. Not had the problem since. Also worth setting up static IP addresses for all your networked equipment. You may have tried all this and just have a faulty network socket. Who knows? I just thought I would chip in and help if I could.

Premium has left a sour taste and my trust in Sony is diminished. I suspect it will be the same for many.

Sony have such a vast pool of PS1 and PS2 games I really can't get my head round what the hold up is. A lot of classic games were already on the PS3 store. Where are they? I was a PS Now subscriber before the PS+ update and it seems they took away a number of classic games such as Daytona USA, Crazy Taxi, Sonic games and Golden Axe to name a few. Where are all the Sony published classics?

I find the lack of classics disappointing. Premium tier just doesn't seem worth it at all.

Luckily, we live in a capitalist society so everyone can vote with their wallets. Unless you're a share holder or on the board, Naughty Dog can do what they like.
People can call it what they like (Cash grab, waste of time, blah blah blah). You might as well be screaming into a void by moaning and posting whiny comments on the internet about it.

@Resi32 The PS3 original came out in 2013. The PS4 remaster came out in 2014. The last of Us 2 came out in 2020.

Although I probably won't buy it at full price I will probably wait until it comes down in price. I have a sneaking suspicion that PS Premium members may get a discount or even luckier it be made free. Who knows at this point and we will have to wait and see. I am more looking forward to the multiplayer, 'Factions 2'.