PS4 Pro Is a 'Half-Assed Upgrade' Compared to Scorpio, Says Xbox Dev

They couldn't even go for a full butt, only half.

Judging by leaked stats of the Scorpio, it won't be that different? If anything, it's just support that's been half-assed.

Well if the leaked specs are to be belived the scorpio is nothing to write home about either. I will stick with the console that actually has games. Thanks very much Microsoft.

Yeah id say PS4 Pro support has been a bit half assed.

Plus (and lets be real here) its not like Sony doesnt wave their tackle around like a drunk in the street a fair bit.

End of the line, I want games to be fun and accessible. Scorpio is a high end machine, Sony wants...whatever im not sure with them right now as it stands, and Nintendo is pushing a new dynamic. Interesting times.

But when you put all 3 new hardware by each other...PS4 Pro does feel...the most mundane? Switch is an all new system with a new dynamic to interact with games thats a gamble, Scorpio is one hell of a spec jump if that comes true, and PS4 Pro is...slightly beefed CPU and a bigger GPU?

From a tch nerd perspective, Scorpio is the epitomy of PC in a box. Switch is loads of tech refined and condensed, PS4 Pro is a PS4 with more.

Its hard to explain and I aint bashing the Pro, but all these 9th generation consoles (Because there is no way Switch and Scorpio arent) are feeling weird. PS4 Pro feels compartively basic and in many ways thats a good thing. But then it doesnt feel really necessary or worthwhile. Its complex stuff this.

The only half assed thing here is xbox upcoming list of exclusives.

Difference is that PS4P easy to work on and doesn't segregate the user base. People can continue to shout out about it as much as they want but as it stands, Scorpio is JUST teraflops on a spreadsheet and xbox still won't have any games to play on it.

@AlejandroMora what exclusives?

I predict 100+ comments for this article. Buttering popcorn now.

He's not wrong in fairness. The Pro was always marketed as PS4.5, whereas I see Scorpio being Microsoft's successor to the Xbox One. The 9th generation of consoles is upon us with Switch and Scorpio. The ball is in Sony's court

I am sure the Scorpio is going to be beefier and better than the Pro. It's been marketed as a new console and not a minor mid gen upgrade. However, I am sure their game lineup is going to need some work. Whats the point if there are no games to play.

Well guess what!? Games...exclusives....triangles......no friends.......usuk...lets fight........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......sandwich.

It's a funny one. If Sony released ps5 last year everyone would get angry.
Microsoft on the other hand, are releasing a new generation console that 'happens to be backward compatible', effectively moving away from xb1, and people welcome it. I think it's psychological. Maybe if it was named Xbox 2 instead of the Scorpio, people could see that.
Either way ps4 pro is an upgrade but xbs is a new console generation launch imho

Leaked documents say it's not much different from the Pro, and that it too will be using checkerboard rendering. This dude is a tool for being so disrespectful. I was thinking about buying Ori on my PC too... not now!

I wrote such an optimistic comment about the silly console wars ball having long passed from the industry to the audience not long ago... I guess I jinxed it. Sorry, guys.

No, I don't claim it's the level of 90s' Sega and 3DO, but it's still somewhat baffling, especially since the statement does sound quite bold - I'm not doubting the developers' efforts here, I'm doubting the pace and ceiling of traditional audiovisual progress in video game hardware. Generation 8 achieved the levels of detail and photorealism which threatens to make further improvements increasingly redundant and difficult to detect with a mundane eye. Mark my words, this arms race will face its riders of apocalypse in all the common people going, "yeah, it's clear and beautiful, I guess that's to be expected from 4k... huh? You're saying it's 8k here?" someday. For the same reason PS4 Pro is only "half-assed" because there hasn't been much to upgrade in terms of performance practicality.

Then again, maybe I'm being a fanbrained jerk here myself - leaks are leaks until confirmation and perhaps Microsoft actually works on something with nigh Nintendo levels of factual novelty to offer, hence the pride in their creation. More power to them (no pun intended) of it's true. But yes, I do roll my eyes at careless (or would the low colloquial synonym be... "half-assed"?) wording of said pride, regardless of the target.

I'm sure they can't wait to get the next gen ball rolling since they are getting their asses handed to them this gen.

I don't get it. Why would Microsoft "need to do a little work" to promote a new console? Promoting a new console is the easiest thing in the world.

Here's our new console, it's new name, it's new price, it's new games. It is also backwards compatible with X1 and plays X1 games.

What's so hard about that? Selling it might be hard, but telling people about it should be easy. Well unless you're stupid like Nintendo and confuse people that Wii U is a screened controller for the Wii. So poor. But Xbox9000 should be easy.

Can we have a poll for the new Xbox name please, that's where the fun is.

Xbox One S 2
Xbox Scorpio
Xbox X (X as in Windows 10)
Xbox 4 (or Four) (Xbox, Xbox360, Xbox One makes Scorpio 4)
New Xbox (worked for Apple iPad and Nintendo)

I've been wanting Xbox X, XxX for short, since MS skipped from Win 8 to Win 10 and started merging PC and Xbox. "Xbox X, X marks the spot." The ads write themselves. Though the DBZ fan in me dares them to name it Xbox 9001. Would need a new exclusive DB game at launch.

The PS4 Pro isn't that much of a leap. Its literally 2 PS4 GPU's bolted together with a 30% boost to CPU speeds and RAM bandwidth. Its not opted for more RAM, a better CPU etc but then its only being sold as more powerful PS4 not a next gen so adequate as a half step.

MS are adamant that the Scorpio is essentially the same - a more powerful Xbox One with more of a leap in terms of GPU power - essentially a PS4 and PS4 Pro combined with much greater RAM bandwidth too. We can't comment on CPU yet or have an official statement as to whether or not the RAM will be increased to 12GB as indicated but essentially MS are saying its nothing more than a more powerful XB1.

So some indie developer wants to create waves by saying the Pro is a 'half assed' upgrade. I guess if the target was to hit 4k more consistently, it is a half assed attempt. Most of the games don't run at 4k - even checkerboarded. A game like Watchdogs 2 for example isn't running at 4k checkerboard but 1800p checkerboarded and then stretched to fit a 4k screen. Its not even running natively at 1800p - Not to say it looks bad of course. It seems (as I expected) that MS's Scorpio will also be able to use checkerboarding techniques in games - although have promised all its exclusives will be native 4k. The difference is likely to be that the Scorpio will not be upscaling and using a 4k checkerboard compared to 1800p.

Personally I think MS should make this a New gen console with Backwards Compatibility - not a more powerful XB1. It makes little sense to build a console that much more powerful than its predecessor and then lock it to the inferior console - like Sony have with the Pro. Of course Sony haven't exactly pushed the boat out with the Pro but a 2x upgrade is not a leap but a boost which is what the Pro was always marketed as and intended to be.

If MS do lock it to the XB1, a 4 yr old console that was already lacking power when it launched, I can't see the Scorpio having much shelf life. I can't see the Pro going on for 3-4years before a PS5 launches and wouldn't be surprised if we see a PS5 a year after Scorpio launches - making that a much more powerful console. If the Scorpio was meant to be a boosted XB1 as MS are marketing it, then why release so late? Before we had word of these iterative consoles, I really couldn't see them lasting 5years+ - especially not the XB1 - before needing a next generation because they weren't exactly powerful...

The gains I see off my ps4 pro are pretty much what I've always wanted. Clean and crisp images. It houses way better graphics than I've seen at anytime before 2017 so that's a win for me.

As for scorpio they may as well call it the Xbox 720 and come out guns blazing and into the next gen leaving the x1 behind.

Intill they start coming out with "must have" games more power means nothing. Even when they do have a game I'm interested in they make it available for PC.

@rjejr the XBoxBoxBoxBox.

All jokes aside the XBOX 4 (k) is too obvious to pass up.

Ahahaha I give him credit for trying to bring the xbone back alive... in fact hes probably one of those noob xbone/COD/OMGNEWhalo5 die hards. So... I can understand his argument. All I can say is good luck and have fun playing your 4k console with the little games you have at a later date. Sorry ps4 beat you to it....
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Pro isn't really half assed and isn't really comparable. There is no date and no confirmed specs still for the project crabby-thing. Pro released last year and is a very decent upgrade from the PS4. If the Crabby-thing is backwards compatible to the xboxone-S then that means its a new gen console, other wise it wouldn't be backwards compatible it'd just be spouted out about by loud mouths as a huge upgrade on the one S as the xboxone-S is already backwards compatible. If this gen has taught anyone anything its that nobody gives a rats ass about backwards compatibility but they buy a remaster. Idiots.

I really hope the Scorpio at least matches PS4 Pro specs. I HATE when developers are creating titles to work on multiple consoles and they keep the graphics at the minimum level of the lowest console it's made to work on. Drove me nuts when games made for the PS3 had lame graphics that were stuck at XBox 360 levels.

The scorpio is not a new gen. Phil Spencer has said 'no one gets left behind', and 'there will be no exclusives for scorpio' multiple times. All the games will work on xbone, one s and scorpio. MS might want to market it as a new generation to distance themselves from the failures of the xbone, but if you've just bought an xbox and had a short gen with a drought of good games, who exactly are they going to sell the thing to?

@get2sammyb "if Microsoft really believes that power is the reason that they're behind, then they're wrong."

Very nice.

So Microsoft, can I run Scalebound on Xbox Scorpio? Oh wait, you cancelled that...

I bought the PS4 Pro fully knowing what it is/was. I don't feel we have fully seen what the Pro will do yet. Developers have a keen sense for getting every morsel of power out of a system, and so far my games have only been patched with a Pro update rather than being fully optimized during the entire build of a game.

I got what I paid for, and even though there is nothing I can do about my PSVR max screen resolution, it runs that system smoother as well. Hell, even the 1TB hard drive made me feel like I had many new games because I can fit 2x as many on it. Yes, I realize I could have upgraded my PS4 launch, but it's still a nice stock option.

If Scorpio is the powerhouse MS claims, I think it'll sale well. I had no issue upgrading to the Pro being a Sony fan and hearing that the graphics are better and system is faster. Unfortunately for MS, I have too much money invested in Sony to ever make a platform change.

They are kinda right thou lol
At least in the half assed upgrade part! If the Scorpio is better I don't know...but yeah PS4 is a half assed upgrade...

The Scorpio will be no more capable of consistent AAA 4K gaming than the Pro is, it's gpu isn't substantially better than the Pro and the leaked specs suggest it won't have a new cpu either, whilst there is already mentioned of it using a similar checkerboard effect. In any case there are diminishing returns at this point with regards visual fidelity and native 4K doesn't look much different to the checkerboarding that both will employ and guess what, the vast majority of gamers don't care.

At this point Microsoft need to worrying about actually having some games because this is the area where they are so far behind Sony at the moment that it's almost embarrassing.

Doesn't matter if you don't have anything worth playing

By the time Scorpio hits, Xbox Slim will be super cheap so I will pull a @rjejr and get it. I still refuse to get Knack though

So the Scorpio is a next gen xbox? Haha what will my brother think of that; I feel this generation has just started and MS is already releasing a new system? PlayStation and gaming PC is the way to go honestly.

Microsoft touted "true 4k" and "high fidelty vr" on previous e3, they will have egg on their face if games on scorpio is using checkerboard rather than native 4k. Considering some games on ps4 pro already have native 4k like fifa and nioh I don't think microsoft can wow everyone if their machine is the same as ps4 pro.

Although now that I think about it, they also tout the greatest games lineup in xbox history and most of them cancelled, so they're not new in promising the sky and not delivering it.

@get2sammyb Well I agree with you, Sony didn't lie or promote the PS4 PRO as a thing it is not...but I still think it's an HALF upgrade when they could wait some more and do a better, more relevant, update! But yeah, I guess more time=more competition...
P.S. I don't care about the Scorpio cause I know the games on the Microsoft side are crap xD

So, if the Scorpio is a full-assed update to a half-assed console, I guess that means it'll be exactly like the PS4 Pro (using the developer's logic)?

I came here to say 1 thing. Xbox has officially removed from their websites that the Scorpio will be able to produce gaming in native 4k. I'll let that sink in....

@hardrockr79 Completely agreed, PS4P won't show its true potential until the end of the year or even 2018. I'm waiting to see what happens with PS4P before officially buying it. Plus my 4k tv doesn't have HDR I bought it 1 year too soon.

@MadAussieBloke spits drink That's awesome

I'm a supporter of all systems so this doesn't bother me at all.

I'm sure he was over-exaggerating but that's still a bold thing to say. It shouldn't matter what he says though; the PS4 is way ahead in console sales and it has a much better lineup of titles for 2017.

uhm... so, not to get on anyone's bad side, but yeah, I do think the PS4 is a lame attempt to get better results with PS VR and slightly better graphics. And I think PS VR won't even do that well this gen (but I bet it will take off next gen).

But you know what? I'm happy PS4 pro isn't a huge increase in power because the one thing I was scared of (that the base would be split into vanilla and super-fantastic-graphics-beast-mode) isn't happening.

However, Scorpio is (practically) a next gen console, and it will split the base.

@rjejr I propose the "Xbox Extreme S" if it's a new generation, or the "Xbox Extreme S One" if it's current-gen, so I can say "XboxES One is basically two Xbox Ones duct-taped together."

I'd hope that Project Scorpio turns out to be 'Xbox Two.' After all the talk about most powerful console ever, four times the power, blah blah blah, if MS goes and wastes that by essentially making an Xbox One Pro I'm going to be pretty disappointed.

I would agree with this guy that PS4 Pro was half-assed, or to be more politically correct unnecessary and kind of wish Sony had just made a PS4 Slim similar to Xbox One S and then held on until late 2018/late 2019 to release PS5, but whatever. Still have to wonder if PSVR (another product that wasn't needed) factored in.

... and even that"half assed upgrade" will kick Microsofts butt just you wait (:
I strongly believe that Sony will just cut the Price of the Pro when the "Scorpio" Releases ... and then we will see lol

According to digital foundry and IGN(shudder)and apparently the MS site scorpio is jaguar family chipset NOT amd zen...maybe to keep costs down but i guess this explains the not quite as big aa expected jump in power...also how many people already have scorpio pro?(gaming pc)

Playing Resi 7 on Pro on my 4K, HDR, 10-bit-panel TV and its the best looking game I've seen. (I'm not a high end PC gamer so have no frame of reference)! Everything looks incredible with extremely intricate attention to detail! Knocking a system thats absolutely annihilating you in sales seems like pretty bad form to me! The gap in sales is only going to continue this coming year, and with the likes of Scalebound (the only exclusive that interested me) cancelled, think most gamers would rather buy a Pro and enjoy the many upcoming PS exclusives! Sure it will be impressive but think MS might just be too late with releasing the Scorpio.

I wouldn't say it's unprofessional, just a developers opinion. I agree with him, PS4Pro doesnt feel like much of an upgrade.

Of course the Scorpio won't be much different from the Pro, why? Because they need to price it competitively with the PS4 Pro. Too high and people wouldn't bother with it at all, considering there is a PC market for that with way more games that Xbox offers. Plus I'm sure the leaked specs are correct.

Did he just sau that they don't want to half ass if, they want to full ass it?

Dev brown noses platform holder with whom he has exclusivity deal. A bit politically stupid. Why burn (or at least destabilise) bridges and get involved in stuff like this? Some people may view it as not afraid to speak his mind and applaud him. I think he is just stupid.

If we're going to talk about dissapointment in products being "half-assed", I can confirm that I'm far happier with my Pro purchase than I was with Ori and the Blind Forest: Definitive Edition...

well the XB1 was a "Half-Assed" console anyway so it's all even then

Building a better box is easy, doing it at a price that makes the public happy is the hard part! Lets wait for released specs and PRICE ! That's what will say if it a great console, Not the wet dreams of Fans that are desperate for something better than PlayStation 4.

It is a little unprofessional and short sighted. Unless he is preparing an exclusive to debut with Scorpio, then of course he is going to trash talk.

Once I hear official specs, price and release date for Scorpio (and have finally confirmed once and for all that it is not the secret weapon of a Bond villain) I will pass judgement on whether it is a next gen leap or not. Personally, I doubt it will be that far advanced as they don't want to out price anyone or eat into PC users.

I play across both consoles and PC but some people on here need to remember, The last 3 years on PS4 have been a disappointment to say the least Exclusive wise, Xbox was smashing exclusives out, more so towards the end of last year. The PS4 eventually has some exclusives worth a sniff this year, and some off you seam to have forgotten this. The Scorpio comes out this year and you can bet on it that Microsoft have held games back fora a reveal at E3. I am definitely getting a Scorpio as its a big upgrade, I didn't bother getting the Pro as for me it didn't seam to warrant the cash for a smaller upgrade.

That's why I never and never will support Microsoft, it's because of their attitudes and un-professional acts. In the beginning with their magazine, all it was, was busting on nintendo and sony at all costs, never really talking about their own console, but just knit-picking on their rivals, which shows unprofessionalism. Nintendo doesn't bust on the others, Sony doesn't bust on the others...nintendo and sony still have a professional friendship and follow each other closely. Microsoft is just mad that the PS4 is kicking their butts, that's all...maybe Microsoft should just get out of the console wars altogether...not like they'd be missed.

@RustyBullet Then maybe you need to practice what you preach about stating facts. It is a WELL KNOWN fact that Xbox practically had no exclusives. It's the major complaint that most gamers have about them. "Xbox smashing out exclusives"....WHERE?!?! Oh and I guess I should clarify that I have all platforms as well to solidify my "objectiveness". Unfortunately for you, you're incorrect. PlayStation has been killing it with exclusives. It's not even debatable. Whether you like JRPGs, fighting games, action, etc...PlayStation has been very dominant. Let's not go tit for tat on the exclusives part. You'll be fighting an uphill battle. While the new Forza Horizon 3 is an exceptional game and is thee best race simulation on consoles, Xbox has really dwindled the quality of their flagship titles. Gears 4 is a good game, not as great as their previous titles. We won't even speak about ReCore. It was just an ok game. While Halo 5 was good, it's not as well received as it was in the past. Quantum Break is a good game. Although some people was too negative on the game...I think the game did it's job and was expected to do unrealistic numbers for an unproven new IP.

On the PS side. Well there's just too many games to name. Whether it's shovelware or something epic. You have quantity and quality. Uncharted 4 and Ratchet & Clank alone was phenomenal. Not to mention the sleeper in The Last Guardian, Alienation, KOF, etc. Drawn To Death is horrible in my opinion as well as some other indies. Too many to name. SFV has become better over time. Killer Instinct is still better though. See? I know how to give credit where it's due and criticize where it need be. If you like Xbox more than PlayStation, that's cool. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't try to discredit them with false facts about exclusives. ESPECIALLY exclusives. It's no secret PlayStation is killing Xbox on that front alone. That's why PlayStation is ahead of Xbox at the moment. The games....! This year already is jam packed with games from them. I'm sure Xbox will have some stellar announcements at E3 (so will PlayStation). Xbox needs to get back in the game with the exclusives.

@Gamer83 @Fath

I like Xbox Two, and you could still say Xbox 2 is 2 Xbox 1 duct taped together.

Maybe Xbox Two Squared (I have absolutely no idea how to superscript a 2 to square the word Two). 2 squared is 4, and this is the 4th Xbox. Maybe "Xbox 4x4" and it can launch w/ a monster truck demolition derby game. Not enough straight up demolition derby games if you ask me, they always have guns and stuff. Buy you're junker car, build you car, tweak your car, drive in the derby and earn prize money for better cars. Seems like a nice $15 indie game to me.

Or just Xbox Two I guess. Boring, but it works for being since it would actually be the 4th Xbox, not the 2nd.

argh, that's not gonna work, MS would never launch Xbox Two next to PS5, the sheeple would just assume 5 is better than 2. Same for Xbox 4. Back to "Xbox X" I guess. Then the next one could be "Xbox X+1".

PS4 pro was £100 more expensive than the PS4 scrubs at launch - but quieter, a bigger HDD, looks great and offers an additional slot for psvr. The fact the extra graphics and cpu boost are thrown in is the cherry on top.

In my experience the upgrade from 1080p to 1440-1800 is visible but I'm gaming on a 44inch 4k TV and sit a little too close. I can understand diminishing returns though 1800p is pretty much perfect.

@Rafie I have 241 Games installed on my Xbox One, around 25 on my PS4 and a load on PC. PS4 is flooded with indie games a few of them are Great like Resogun I prefer to play AAA titles and for me Xbox exclusives are more up my street.

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Reading the devs full quote, seems like a bit of a non story.

@RustyBullet @Rafie whilst someone could easily argue they prefer Xbox Exclusives, I think objectively Playstation have considerably out performed Xbox with exclusives. I'm not basing this off games that I enjoy, but just comparing lists.

@RustyBullet Well then say that. Say you prefer games on your Xbox than on PS4. Also, you do know that Xbox One has started acquiring the same amount of indies as PlayStation, right?! I guess not. It's nothing wrong with preference. Just don't talk about PlayStation not having any and Xbox has more. That is just absolutely false.

I do want to ask though. What is the difference of having games on your Xbox One to your PC? They share over 90% over their library. That includes games like Gears, Halo, and Forza.

@RustyBullet If you traded your ps4 scrubs in for £120 - ps4 pro was on amazon for £325.

£325 - £120 = £205

You get a new pad, bigger hdd, quieter console, better graphics, faster ui, better resolution gaming on select titles and more elegant solution for psvr. That's a sweet deal.

I was going to buy the new dualshock anyway and a bigger hdd so it was a no brainer for me.

That's were PS4 Pro shines and its a halfway solution for people on higher resolution screens.

@mrobinson91 EXACTLY!!!! Whether it's games you enjoy or not. The fact that there's variety AND quality/quantity isn't debatable. PlayStation has a more diverse games and...well...just has more. Quality is subjective I suppose.

Yeah and no, the console isn't being sold as a next gen console but more of a hardware upgrade like the New 3DS.

@RustyBullet Okay let's go with disappointing then. That is STILL subjective. While you could (not saying you personally did) say a game like Uncharted 4 is disappointing, someone else may find the game to be one of the best this gen has to offer. I never said Xbox doesn't have any games. Just that they pale in comparison in the exclusives department versus PlayStation.....which is undoubtedly true. The one thing I can agree with you here is that Metacritic shouldn't taken as the holy grail of reviews. Which is why I didn't cite it. I'm talking about well respected reviewers. Then again, even that's just an opinion of one person.

I would never argue someone's personal preference. I just thought that was ridiculous to say that Sony's exclusives were disappointing and yet Xbox was "smashing" out with exclusives. That line of wording lead me to believe that you thought that the number of exclusives on Sony's side was dismal compared to MS's. That is far from the truth. You didn't say it was what you thought personally. That's why I said something. So we've reached the climax of this conversation. It's your preference. Nothing more needs to be said.

Xbox has very little games to speak of and they want ANY kibd of buzz the get something going. TBH theybare desperate for this generation to be over because thry didnt win. The Scorpio is more powerful than the Pro but remember how less powerful the XB1 is than PS4 so they need a more powerful machine to make up the slack.

@Rafie @RustyBullet The Last Guardian was a system seller for me. It was the first PS4 game I beat. Unfortunately I couldn't help but think that some parts of the game were awesome, and others were garbage. The emotions, story, world, and unique gameplay aspects were some of the best I've played over the last couple years, but the controls and camera made me want to quit playing at time. The controls and camera were so bad! I thought the graphics were fine. They were not PS2 graphics, but nowhere near the best on the PS4 either. It is a very memorable game though.

Now, back to the topic at hand; I think there are plenty of good exclusives on the Xbone too. Not as many as PS4, or even the Wii U, but enough to justify a purchase. I don't own the Xbone but I would love to play any of the Forza titles (best racing sim, period), Gears 4, Sunset Overdrive, Ori, Quantum Break, KI, & Rare Replay. Also, the upcoming games Cup Head, Halo Wars 2, and Sea of Thieves look promising too. I didn't say Halo 5 or Crackdown 3 because I've never really liked either of those series. Back in November I started looking at buying a second system to compliment my Nintendo systems and thought very hard about it. The last Sony system I owned, the PS2, left a sour taste in my mouth despite providing me with great gaming memories. I went through 2 systems because they each broke. I owned the Xbox 360 and loved it. The games were a blast and the community/Xbox Live were really good. I actually know more people locally with the Xbone then a PS4 too. But ultimately I went by the games I want to play....and not quantity either. I basically came to the conclusion that The Last Guardian, Spiderman, and Horizion looked more appealing to me at the moment then Forza, Gears 4, and Sea of Thieves. If I had more time & cash, I would own all three home consoles, portables and a nice gaming PC....but I don't.

@rjejr I can't remember, did you pickup a "pro" or "slim".

@3Above "remember how less powerful the XB1 is than PS4" Yes I remember, marginally more more powerful. Both the Vanilla PS4 and Xbox One are underpowered to be a next gen in comparison to the PS3 and Xbox 360. Yes the PS4 Pro is a boost but not substantial enough, Scorpio is going to be a beast even if the leaked white paper is to be believed, Remember the leaked paper is from around E3 2016 there has been quite some time since then.

@3Above Not really. They don't need more power. That's not the problem they have. Their problem at the moment is exclusives. That's what's going to get them back in. However, I'm not so sure that "sales wise" they'll be able to catch PlayStation. The PS brand is stronger worldwide than just US. Xbox should just continue to get exclusives. They still sell at a great rate. It's not bad at all. It's outpacing the 360.

@dkxcalibur Very good. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Exclusives, whether some think aren't great or not is still good for the console brand. Having more is always welcome. At least you can choose which would fancy your interest.

They should stop worrying about hardware there downfall for me is games all there exclusive have sucked or been canceled even Halo single player sucked while sony has it has from the ps4 launch has been all about games exclusives and partnering with 3rd parties to get better versions on ps has announced it must be in the 100s of games coming to ps4

also I would not compare the Scorpio to the Pro the S is more of a comparison long term the main competitor to Scorpio will be ps5 in my eyes

@DerMeister
Let me be your 100.

Seriously, what a way to alienate 53 million PS4 owners.

Still, what games are coming to the Xbox? And then, of those, how many won't be available on PC?

There's no doubt in my mind that Scorpio will be more powerful than the pro. I mean come on, I'm sure Microsoft went out and bought a bunch of PS4 pros and taken them apart. And I'm sure Phil spencer has told his team to make Scorpio better than this!

Unfortunately there really is no point to have an all powerful console if the software isn't good.

And let's not forget that when there's new hardware, there's always gonna be problems with the first batch.

Sony has nothing to worry about. They're in the lead. Shit, they've been in the lead. It'll take years for Microsoft to catch up.

Let's see if this 6 teraflops console will help them take the lead.

@dkxcalibur I picked up a Slim.

Not that you asked why, but I got it for $218 at Target w/ Cartwheel and Wish List discounts. That included Uncharted 4. Best deal I could find on PS4 Pro at that time was about $360 and no game. Since I really wanted U4 and would have paid $30 for it anyway, that made Pro about $150 more than Slim, more extra than I was willing to pay.

@sinalefa Knack isn't bad for $5. It's kind of fun. Not a launch title, not a shining example of PS4 power, probably better off as a $20 digital download, but I'm enjoying it for $5. My kids playing it co-op are enjoying it better than I am, so we've gotten our monies worth.

The Scorpio is vapourware at the moment, all talk and no substance.

@get2sammyb "Microsoft is behind because..."

Worst DRM policies in the history of console reveals. What were they thinking?
Forcing "last gen" motion detection tech - Kinect - onto "early adopters" who want hard core games, not Fruit Ninja.
Halo, Forza, GoW and then ...?
Microsoft isn't named Sony and Xbox isn't named Playstation.

I'm not sure I get Scorpio either. Best case scenario - the 30 million "hard core" gamers who bought a X1 for Halo, Forza and GoW buy a Scorpio for those same games. I's a generational replacement, not a base expander.

Switch is at least trying to combine the Wii U and 3DS bases so they killed off Wii U early, what will Scorpio bring new to the table?

@DerMeister You were not wrong there!

@rjejr

$5 aint bad I guess but I could not stomach dl 35gb for it. I rather went with Ape Escape 2 which I am sure it is by far the superior game.

If they have any sense in them, they will make Scorpio not powerful enough to prevent developers from developing games for both systems, but enough to make the PS4(Pro) versions seem inferior, their only logical stab at getting some gamers back at this point.

@JesWood13 Ori was an awesome game though!

All I'm seeing when I read that "4K powerful so pretty" stuff is that it's unlikely to have any big multiplayer games like that. In my opinion half the attraction to the Halo series I've had was from the splitscreen multiplayer. If I wanted a pretty machine to play solo games I would get a nice PC.

Anyways what I'm saying is the added focus on graphics will put that over multiplayer and which sucks because I'd play with much cash crappier frame rate/graphics if I could do 4 player splitscreen

@Neolit @finalstan @lacerz

The comments section has never let me down.

This generation the games are on the PS4. And that's what counts.

@RustyBullet
"PS4 is flooded with indies "
And X-BOX One is not?!
Say thanks to Indies developers.
Exclusives X-BOX One:
As Usual. Forza, Gears, hallo, Killer instinct.

@BLOB Yea some of the Indie smaller games on ps4 are up there with full releases I hate this snobby attitude that if its small or indie its not worth you see it each month with ps plus free games well it sucks because there's a bunch of smaller titles

well some of the best games I have played have been small indie games

xbox dev says xbox rivals 4k console isn't as good as xbox

I'm shocked!

@sinalefa "could not stomach dl 35gb"

Funny, I almost didn't buy Knack and The Order b/c of their sizes, my HDD is nearly full after only 3 weeks. But I'm currently under a trial w/ my cable provider for 100MB download speeds so I figured I'd take advantage of it before I go back to 25 or 50, whatever I had.

My cable company got bought a few months ago and I'm 10 months into a 1 year deal so I'm really not sure what I'm going to get and at what prices in 2 months. Probably spend a lot of time on the phone discussing options.

@nhSnork maybe once devs realise that theres nothing more to improve as far as resolution goes they will FINALLY focus on frame rates and get every game to at least 60fps. Ive never understood why people obsess over res rather than fps which imo makes a way bigger difference in presentation.

@Gmork___ maybe resolution makes for quicker advertising since one doesn't have to play the game to be wowed at first sight. But while I can appreciate detailed visuals, it's a bonus rather than a must when compared even to fps level which at least ties into the gameplay smoothness (and animations if we really must drag visuals into everything). No matter how many quips are born in response to cinematic cutscenes and QTEs, video games are INTERACTIVE fiction.

I can imagine if we had genres like a painting restoration simulator - something like that could actually make 4k relevant as a gameplay enhancement. But how important is it elsewhere? Immersion value? Legit, but not everyone is into immersion - I don't care about VR for the same reason, because I don't want to be in the game, I want to experience its universe via the stories, characters and lore it chronicles. Detailing? Legit, but games like Morrowind already packed a ton of content without HD graphics. Otherwise, one will certainly marvel at the sights of Horizon or FFXV until they start taking it for granted and keep their eye on enemy HP or harvest point icons more than on ultrahighes grass and bushes. And IMHO design and art direction is more important for the visual wow anyway - Stories: The Path of Destinies is still one of the best-looking games I've seen on PS4 so far, and I mostly play it in Vita's 540p. ¯(ツ)/¯

I can see exactly what will happen. It won't be long and Microsoft will be doing games that only run on Scorpio. I still feel like they are ignoring everything that made the 360 such a great console. First it was the push to give us an all-in-one machine now they seem completely obsessed with Sony.
I like the fact Sony have given us something that offers a better exerpience of the ps4 and it's all optional.