Topic: Nintendo Switch --OT--

@Octane yeah well, I have 128gb which helps but I agree it isn't a lot. The simple fact is I'm very unlikely to play a game again once I've completed it so I'm better off just downloading it then deleting it to make space in the future. There are occasional games that I think warrant a physical copy for prosperity but if I like it that much I'll pick up a physical copy in the future when it's cheap. XBC2 is one I got digital but intend on buying physically for my collection. I know it's a lot of money to just "delete" so can appreciate a lot of people won't see the sense in it lol.

@kyleforrester87 Thought about it, but my Switch is the Nintendo exclusives machine. I don’t think I’ll own more than 10-20 titles on it (+some small digital titles) over its lifespan, so I’d like to own them physically. Also pricing as @Octane mentioned is a definite factor.

@Fight_Teza_Fight @Octane I agree with the pricing on eshop. After being spoiled by Flash Sales and such on PSN eShop is kinda of a let down pricing wise especially when it comes to first.party games. I do noticed that they don't mind discounting indie games which is great if you like indie games, I was able to pick up Might Gunvolt Burst that way. But first party games I tend to find cheaper physically.

@Fight_Teza_Fight GAME dossnt stock "niche" titles. I found that out the hard way.

Back in 2014 I was the only guy in tge city buying Bayonetta, and my friend went to buy Bravely Default at one point, got told they never stocked it as its niche and wont sell.

Take from that what you will, but most of their cash comes from merch and used sales, with most shelf space dedicated to Xbox and PS. I think back at my local the damn Vita had more space than 3DS and Switch combined.

Since the market is so heavily monopolised by Sony, over 50% as they have been told, GAME isnt in a position to argue. So more shelf space CANT be granted because most of the market is uncompetitive and going for the leader otherwise their business takes a huge hit.

So what small shelf space they have for Nintendo has to go to games that will sell and not niche things.

And sure you could say Nintendo could be more competitive by lowering prices but then you have an issue that is twofold

First, GAME already marks UP prices on Nintendo things, and Nintendo isn't allowed to undercut: permanent digital price cuts or direct selling from the manufacturer cant undercut retailers, and even if they did it would only serve to push GAME away, the people who happen to be the only gaming dedicated retailer, who also happens to sell consoles: its not in the interest of either company, just look what's happening with indie stores and Xbox right now thanjs to Game Pass.

Secondly, even if Nintendo did lower prices, and the stores complied...that would likely NOT increase stock and shelf space or encourage more game variety, in fact the opposite. The retailers cut on new games is already small (so is developers at £2.50 or each unit) so reducing the price reduces the cut, and means the retailer is effectively not making money compared to a little at full price. So what will do? Stock less.

This is the cycle. Yes we all want cheaper digital games but for that to happen retail has to die out.

If we want Nintendo stock to be more prominent or niche games to be stocked for Nintendo then the market needs to be less of a monopoly.

And for the sarcastic drone response, its because people dont associate Nintendo with anything other than kids here.

Wanna know something odd? Bayonetta 1 was #1 in the UK eShop chart. Bayo 2 was nowhere to be seen. That tells me Bayo 1 being digital only means people went only for the first, or a lot of codes with physical copies were redeemed.

@YummyHappyPills They sound like GameStop here in the States. GameStops in my area carry very little in the way of Nintendo games. You can be guaranteed to find Mario, Zelda or Pokemon games but anything else you might as go elseware. I remember when Fantasy Life came out on 3DS two out of 3 GameStops didn't even know what I was talking about when I asked for the game.

@Tasuki That's exactly the situation we have here.

About...lets say you took a decent sized two sided stand, one of those ones that sits in the middle of the store.

Imagine Xbox and PS4 line either wall of the store. Then imagine a whole side of one of the 4 stands is Toys to Life. Then preowned stuff on the other side. Merch covers a whole stand both sides.

Nintendo gets half of a side for both 3DS and Switch. Not even a whole side of one of these stands, but 50% for both. Its mad.

Thankfully its no longer at the back of the store.

Here's the thing. HMV only stocks store cards for PSN and XBL. Argos stocks all 3, but only around a little less for what they give the other two acriss both 3DS and Switch combined.

Smyths I hear is better, though in the same way, limited shelving. Outside of supermarkets, and I mean BIG supermarkets, like the middle of the city ones, you'll find one or two games, always PS4/Xbox and only the big releases like FIFA and CoD. The larger stores apparently DO stock Switch stuff but I've yet to see it.

GAME is the only retail place to really go and as you can see....expect "Whats a Nintendo".

It reminds me when I, with evidence, did a piece on Nintendo making a hybrid system for my coursework only to not get the marks because "That'll never happen".

It's an attitude that pervades the entire country sadly. I try and find preowned Nintendo stuff here, for like Wii and Gamecube. The prices are insane especially compared to PS2 and Xbox stuff. Paper Mario 2 cost more than a new game when most PS2 things are £25 if rare.

Finding niche Nintendo stuff or...most things Nintendo is such a pain here its why they have their own online store.

With retailers refusing to put out anything that isnt Mario, Zelda or Pokemon, that perception wont change because retailers wont out the more niche mature games on the limited shelves to change the perception.

Its damned if they do and damned if they dont.

@Tasuki I believe it's the indie devs that discount their games. I don't think Nintendo, or Sony, or Microsoft does that for them. And I don't even mind the lack of sales. The thing is that I save up to €15 if I buy physical, which is pretty big in the long term. The same applies to PlayStation. I can find most games for €52 at launch instead of the usual €60. The lack of price cuts in the long terms means that I won't ever get to play the games I'm interested in, but not willing to spend €60 on. Like ARMS, looks good, but for around €30 I'll give it a shot. Without a demo, I have no idea if I'll like it or not.

@YummyHappyPills The fact that some second hand Nintendo games are expensive has nothing to do with the retailers or Nintendo. It's because people collect for those systems, and there are less games available. Supply and demand. Try finding a good deal on a copy of Kirby 64. Or a GB Pokemon game for that matter. You won't find them for a tenner or two. Paper Mario (GCN) is just very rare and wanted by a lot of people.

Anyway, the reason why stores are understocking in the UK can be explained according to supply and demand as well. If Nintendo isn't popular, there's no need to dedicate a large section of games to them. It's technically not their job to sell the Switch. They don't care what they're selling, as long as they make money.

@Octane That's true. S/D curves do demonstrate that. However it is being lamented that Nintendo isn't being more competitive to stimulate demand, I explained why they cant be more competitive in this market as it would only negatively impact them in the long run.

I've been playing Fire Emblem Warriors for the past week. I think I'm about finished up with the main story (completed Chapter 17 last night), but I've yet to touch any of the History Maps.

Despite how the fandom may feel about her, I've actually had a lot of fun playing as Camilla. It's just so cool riding around on a dragon smashing the crap out of anyone in your way.

Other than Camilla, my main team consists of Lianna (for story purposes), Sakura, and Lucina.

@Octane Right but even so, it seems that Sony and MS put their games on sale alot sooner and more often then Nintendo does. The only time I have noticed Nintendo titles go on sale if you can call it that, is when they select a few for Nintendo Selects or whatever it's called.

@YummyHappyPills That doesn't surprise me to be honest. Like you said it's probably codes being redeemed. A good chunk of people are probably planning on beating the first game, before they start second one (like I am).
Supposedly there were some faulty Bayo1 download codes on the US physical copy, so I think people are also vary about having a faulty code & are just making sure.

Bayonetta 2 retail was available for as low as £40, whereas it's full priced on the eshop, so I'm sure that played into it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it charts #1 retail here in the UK as there's nothing big releasing around it.

@Fight_Teza_Fight It came 5th and Bayo 2 climbed digital.

You get both games digitally for a total of £50. You buy either of the two and the other gets discounted.

Mega Man Legacy Collection 1 + 2 comes to Switch on May 22nd.

The catch? Both digitally ($14.99 for MMLC1/$19.99 for MMLC2) is fine.

Physical release for both combined for $39.99, with MMLC2 as a download, plus a free cloth thing.

Physical release is US only, which means in the EU, the only physical Capcom release we have is Street Fighter 2.

Tried playing Mega Man 9 on my Vita via Remote Play years ago, and it was a horrible experience.

I'm ready for weeks of portable Mega Man bliss!

Breath of the Wild has hours of music in its soundtrack, although most of the dramatic tracks only play in particular sections of the game, and the ambient score during normal free-roam gameplay does a good job of harmonizing with the game's environmental soundscape, making it stand out less.

The soundtrack also often incorporates broken and distorted renditions of older Zelda themes, as most of post-apocalyptic Hyrule is but a shadow of its former glory.

It's a radically different approach to Zelda music, but I really appreciated it in the context of this game.

@Tasuki Im glad Nintendo rarely put games on sale. With my Sony games Im reluctant to pay full price for random games as the trade ins are lower generally, I will only pay full price for must have games. On switch as the games hold value Im happier to pay full price for games Im not guaranteed to enjoy.

Also the games on switch so far are finished games. Not this games as a service tripe. So I will still be playing them in 10 years time. Just like my wii games.

I've been playing through Breath of the Wild for almost month now. I'm taking a different route exploring the world compared to when I played it on the Wii U which has made it feel quite different. I have haven't done any divine beasts yet, mostly just exploring and completing shrines and getting korok seeds. I only worked out last week that octo balloons can be used to lift things out the way. Before I was using stasis and whacking them!

@KratosMD Music is very important to me too. It can really add so much to the "feel" of a game and and give more texture to the world. In Zelda games specifically, the series has always had iconic tunes that have been a big part of the games, so I did feel disappointed that Breath of the Wild takes a more restrained approach. I sort of understand why they did that given the length spent in each area. Perhaps they thought hearing the same tune loop over and over could get tedious for some players? I personally feel that the music that is in the game isn't as good as previous titles but is pleasant. I do enjoy hearing elements of old tunes in various places, such as Epona's Song at the stables.

@themcnoisy I think it works both ways. You never feel like you wasted money on a Nintendo game by buying it day one. Because it's still €60 after a year or two. But if it's a game you'd like to try, but you don't want to spend €60 on? Too bad, you're going to have to wait a looong time.

DOOM was updated. The game now has a smooth motion aiming option. Which makes it my favorite version controls-wise.

@mookysam The use of music in BotW, though somewhat restrained, is also incredibly creative, from the nods to music from previous games to emphasize certain environmental themes to songs that evolve and become more complex as you perform tasks that affect a particular area. I also tend to find it relaxing without heroic trumpets blaring every time I enter the overworld.

My one regret is that the brilliant tracks that appear in the trailers for the game don't seem to make an appearance themselves. At least, not in a form that is anywhere near as dramatic or bombastic.

Bayonetta seems to be selling poorly in the UK and Japan, trailing below the Wii U numbers....physically.

On the eShop in the UK Bayo 1 has been 1st since launch and 2 has been climbing consistently. Also seems to be high on the US eShop.

More and more we see the need for digital sales data.