Topic: The TV Show Thread

@RogerRoger Yeah, I enjoyed SHIELD for its first few seasons but you could totally tell they thought they were going to be cancelled. I struggled through the 6th season and then we didn’t even watch the last one. It properly peaked in its first couple of seasons but they did have some great episodes spread throughout.

@RogerRoger Agents of SHIELD sounds great, but wow — 136 episodes… not sure I can make that commitment. Hopefully they are half hour episodes at least. Roughly 70
hours doesn’t sound too bad, I guess. Spent twice that getting through Persona 5. And that only took me about 3 years. 😄

@RogerRoger If there is a backlog larger than my gaming backlog, it’s my TV backlog. It’s quite ridiculously immense actually. I have like what… 3 or 4 streaming services and it’s like each has a dozen series I’d like to see, which each series housing anywhere from 10 to 140 shows each. See — this is my issue with Microsoft GamePass. At this point - it’s like me subscribing to Hulu when I already have Disney+, Netflix, Apple TV+, and HBO Max. I can’t even watch the shows (… or play the games…) I already have. 😅. Why would I ask for a drink of water when I’m already drowning in the ocean?

Anyways… I was wondering if you’ve watched any of the Netflix Marvel shows. I can’t remember. Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage, The Punisher, … etc. Previous people have said there is a pretty wide range of quality present and about half the stuff isn’t worth the time, but some of it is quite good. Just wondering what your take is.

I loved the latest episode of Loki! So good. Glad they got in a Throg cameo. I had to rewind it to check I wasn't seeing things 😂.

I've seen online that there was a Thanos-copter knocking about somewhere in there too but I didn't notice it while I was watching it!!

And that’s me finished the First Doctor’s episodes! Missing episodes and a couple of dire stories that I skipped aside, it was better than I thought. Sad to see the best companions of the show go though. Onto the Second, who’s supposed to be a good one but with a lot of missing stories.

@RogerRoger There wasn’t really much sexist or racist stuff from the First Doctor himself. There were disclaimers on some episodes like the Aztecs one because they were played by people in dodgy brownface. There was some ‘savages’ language and such but I wouldn’t say it was any worse than other programmes of the time. By all accounts, it was the actor himself more than the character who was a big old racist, and so it’s kinda an odd one for them to write it into the script in that Capaldi one. The bit where he says he’ll smack Clara’s bottom also feels a little unfair given that he originally says that to his granddaughter and while it’s a weird line, it makes so much more sense with his granddaughter and just sounds outright awful when said to Clara.

@Th3solution @RogerRoger I think Netflix marvel is dark, violent and sweary for good reason....but I'd struggle to think what that reason exactly is 😅. I actually prefer some seasons of the different Netflix shows to agents of shield and I think they are as about as canon as AoS is and tie in about as much as AoS does. They're all set post battle of New York and pre snap, for what it's worth.

I'll admit that AoS does have some pretty deep connections though with the post Thor The Dark World episode and the hydra plot and a few film cast members popping up here and there which the Netflix shows don't have.

But yeah, I'd hate for the Netflix shows to be dismissed for any reason because most seasons of it is some of the best of what Marvel TV has to offer.

The only show that made its way into a film was Agent Carter with the appearance of Jarvis (the human butler) in Avengers Endgame.

I think my favourite MCU TV show is Runaways though. It has the least links to the films but is still technically MCU as it crossed over with ---> Cloak and Dagger which had a newspaper with ---> Luke Cage in it which had Hammer Tech from ---> Iron Man 2 in the show. Tenuous perhaps, but still there nonetheless 😅

@ralphdibny Daredevil had some of the best fight scenes I've seen in film or TV in recent times. And that first season of Jessica Jones I thought was incredible, as it was more psychological than most Marvel stuff. I got to the last seasons of them all, but was around the time I got a bit fed up with super hero stuff, so never finished them.

@JohnnyShoulder totally agree! Jessica Jones season 1 is actually my favourite of all the Netflix shows, it really hit home for certain reasons. Season 2, not so much unfortunately and I never watched 3

I love the casting too, Vincent D'Onofrio is like the perfect live action Kingpin. I say that with the utmost respect to the late Michael Clarke Duncan though.

Jon Bernthal as The Punisher is just brilliant as well. You know a performance is good when you have to put the subtitles on to understand what they are saying 😂

I actually think Iron Fist S2 and Luke Cage S2 are up there as well as top seasons along with the entirety of Daredevil, JJ1 and the entirety of Punisher. I love Jessica Henwick's character in Iron Fist as well but I can't remember her characters name off the top of my head

@RogerRoger ah yeah I figured it was a case of you attributing them a "no big deal status" just so you don't feel you have to sub to Netflix just to watch them. But I thought I'd champion them nonetheless 😅.

I'm trying to remember gory moments from Agents of Shield but I'm drawing a blank to be honest. I've only seen the first five seasons so that could be why. I only seen to remember one instance of immolation with that fire guy, I think he was called Scorch but it's so be far in the back of my mind that I can't really remember if there was a burned body or anything. Oh yeah, I suppose there's all the flashbacks of that weird brain operation too.

There's lots of blood in the Netflix shows but I can't really remember if they are gory. I don't recall any guts to go with it which is how I would describe gore. Naturally there is a lot of fighting but it fits with the story/characterisations, I don't recall anything gratuitous in that it wasn't necessary. Perhaps it was just necessarily gratuitous 😅

Jessica Jones which is my favourite show (season 1 at least) is more psychological horror anyway which is probably why I like it. I tend to find psychological horror more scary whereas I am completely desensitised to most blood and guts style horror. I suppose I find like body horror (think RoboCop and even the Fantastic 4 remake) a bit scary but that's probably because it comes with a healthy dose of psychological horror to go with the images of a malformed self.

@RogerRoger oh yeah, I totally forgot Jooohn Hannah was in it, he's one of my favourite characters 😂. Maybe because I just like saying Jooooohn Hannah!

@RogerRoger I thought I heard somewhere that the Marvel Netflix shows will eventually term their contract with Netflix and will then be ported over to Disney+. I have no idea if that’s even true, and if so, when that timed exclusivity expires. It’s a bit weird because the shows were actually made by Netflix… yet Disney owns the license to the Marvel Universe. So I have no idea what the lawyers decided to do with all that.

Maybe it’s a bit like the Deathloop / Ghostwire Tokyo story with Bethesda, Microsoft and Sony. They have to honor a contracted period of access, then get to take back the rights to the IP.

@Th3solution I think it's just that Disney can use the characters again in their own media after 2 years from their last appearance in a Netflix show (which aparently might be happening in one instance I am aware of). I don't think it means that Disney+ will get all the Netflix shows. I could be wrong though.

I suppose it could be good if they did work out a way to get it all under one roof but whether they want to or not is another question. Im not sure they will ever address it and while the shows don't majorly contradict the films in anyway, the films have never acknowledged the shows (except the appearance of human Jarvis from Agent Carter)

Speaking of Agent Carter, that What If? show is showing an animated version of her Captain Carter persona! I love the look and would love to see Hayley Atwell playing that version in live action!

@ralphdibny @Th3solution @RogerRoger Yeah I saw that too about the Netflix Marvel shows. I don't think we will be seeing those shows on any other streaming services, but you will see Disney doing their own versions of some of those shows to be on Disney+.

@ralphdibny @RogerRoger @JohnnyShoulder I sure hope the model continues to become sustainable. That is, pump out continuous high quality original content onto a subscription service and not hike the sub price through the roof. Disney is like Microsoft in that they have such deep pockets (could include Apple and Amazon here too) that they can take large losses for a while when trying to invest in market share, but we see a little chink in the armor with Netflix where they have gradually increased the sub price and their original content seems to simultaneously gradually dwindling in quality and quantity.

@Th3solution I wouldn't say that about Netflix personally, I always manage to find stuff to watch and there has been nothing that sticks out to me as being particularly bad. If I remember correctly, they are the only ones that are making a profit out of the streaming services currently. Has taken them over 10 years to do it mind.

Bosch - amazon prime. Won't disappoint. Great twists, acting, and direction.

@JohnnyShoulder Netflix definitely has the largest market share, I would suspect. But their early stuff seemed more culturally iconic like Stranger Things, Narcos, Daredevil, Peaky Blinders, The Crown, Arrested Development, etc. Even The Witcher was a while ago. Seems like the content is more “shovel ware” like lately with oodles of just garbage with maybe a gem hidden here and there. But I’m probably a poor judge of it since as we’ve established I don’t watch 95% of their shows.

I am excited to check out the new Resident Evil: Infinite Darkness. Anyone tried it yet?

@Th3solution Covid has probably effected things recently. Still think you are being tad harsh there especially as you admit not to watching the majority of it, but each to their own. They are self sufficient too, with the money they make going back into their own productions.

If you don't rate the shows on it that much, you could always unsubscribe? No point in keeping it otherwise.

Netflix is the only service I'm subbed to. (Not counting Stan in Australia). It's the only service that produces half decent projects, in my opinion. Amazon was the worst; I had Prime video for a while. I think Sneaky Pete and The Path were the only shows I watched more than a couple of episodes of.
Netflix also managed to claw in "culturally significant" shows from elsewhere - Peaky Blinders is a BBC production, for instance.

EDIT: I watched the Bourne series from Amazon, but it was only okay.