@Bundersvessel I'll be careful with my answer and only mention a couple of smaller things. So Books, VHS, DVDs, Games, CDs, Art, Shoes, Bags. Other things too that are much bigger and it's better not to say, but yes I'm a big collector and preserver of many things into the hundreds and thousands. It's not exactly my life's purpose but I think preservation is important and I have the resources to do it correctly, most gets sorted and warehoused. I really like VHS especially, those big boxes and original art speak to me in a way that no disc ever could. I still watch VHS over any other format, I like the imperfections. I sometimes collect 35mm cinema reels too and tapes from the Academy Awards voting committee. They use those to cast a vote, the 'for your consideration' format. I started doing that after someone in the ratings board opened my eyes to so much restricted media, naturally I needed it.
Sometimes I'll collect banned or 'to be destroyed' cinema reels too. Sometimes movie props too but I don't really talk about that kind of thing, I started doing that after sitting in on various closed sets then realized there was a whole market and community for it, auctions etc. It took me a while to move away from that side but there are exceptions. I thought I had a small collection of movies until I showed Ravix then I realized I need to not share again. I suppose the weirdest thing I collected as of recent was some chairs for a Bond movie, then I gifted them to my Partner for his office. I almost bought a desk from Batman too but realized there was no real point. I don't want to collect for the sake of collecting anymore, after a while it feels like things start to own you, if that makes sense. I don't have reddit or any of those other sites, if it's banned or restricted in Russia it's banned or restricted under my roof. I've seen reddit before, lots of strange saucy people getting heated over the smallest thing. Unless it's changed since then, I haven't seen any of the others in years. Collecting was never to showcase those things, more-so to keep them safe, a little like Fallout, if that makes sense. They aren't in a bedroom or something.
At the same time I feel a kind of uncomfortableness when it comes to talking about physical things because talking to Tjuz etc reminded me how the real world works and of what's seen as realistic versus, I'm not sure of the word, over-abundance perhaps. Do you collect things? you strike me as someone who has a copy of Twin Peaks on VHS. Or the soundtrack on tape. I should like digital because I understand a curated experience but I prefer physical media in all things. Back home media can vanish over night, be banned, restricted etc, that's the reality of a digital world. One not a lot of people experience, and another reason why I preserve media and other such things. That t.a.T.u. album is from my childhood, now it's gone from Spotify but my CDs aren't. Someone already ripped and converted them for my home server. I like music too much to watch it vanish from those platforms, the rest, those collections that's different.
These violent delights have violent ends & in their triumph die, like fire & powder Which, as they kiss, consume.
@GirlVersusGame random side comment, but remember I said one day i'd randomly mention a band you may or may not know from the Roadrunner family. Well, you just posted a video in the movie thread with a track from a movie, but the name of the track is also the name of the band I was going to hit you with one day. So it felt like a good time to do so 😄 also it feels cryptic, but it isn't really as you can just look in a second (or simply recall the title of the track you posted) but I have a habit of making things I say less basic than just saying them, so, you know. Deal with it, i'm not changing 😂
It's a band that suited my idealistic punk attitude, and their sound was a nice mix between (I don't do genres) but I guess post-hardcore and metal. They never really became anything big, but they released one album on RoadRunner, I think, and it seems almost sheer luck how it worked out. It was a pretty damn well produced album, despite them being quite a low key unknown band that was initially kind of thrown together and local to the californian scene, but then suddenly they had an album going worldwide and popping up in mainstream stores globally. Maybe you know more than me, but that is how it felt, and there is not a lot of information about them online. I took quite a bit of their sound and incorporated it into my own too, so I will always look fondly on them. They were big on harmonics, for example (not harmonicas 😁)
@Ravix From when I was with Roadrunner Records? Okay that's cryptic, there were so many on that roster. Do you mean Agent Provocateur, I'm sure they are with another label. Maybe they jumped labels? It must be them if you mentioned the punk aesthetic, they certainly have that going for them and fit the the theme of the movie with the whole fall of Communism/revolt against The System. If not them then I don't know who it could be. That track did well in Eastern Europe, but so did the movie. Either my Spotify is being restricted or they only have one track on there now? I did a couple of VPN jumps and still only see the one track, I was sure they had a full album on there. Digital dystopia strikes again maybe. I'm sure I have that album on CD, just because I liked that track so much. They only have nine thousand monthly listeners, maybe they are smaller than I thought. For a moment I thought Skunk Anansie was gone from Spotify too, now they are showing up. It can't be Agent Provocateur if you mentioned California, they were British. Give me a hint? My most recent played looks like this.
Mostly Russian, Albanian and Serbian, a couple of American maybe but that band you mentioned has me completely stumped. Did you have punk hair? Like Vivian in the Young Ones? I've watched that show. They had bands perform on the show like Madness and some others. Saying it's California makes me wonder even more, if I could think straight today I'd get it right away. I need a big hint for this. Edit: Ignore the Putin part, I still need to pump a little Patriotism offline so that questions aren't asked. It works, mostly.
I looked through the movie thread, it has to be Agent Provocateur but I was sure they were from London.
@GirlVersusGame I doubt the timing will fit, no, I just meant the general roster of bands that were once under the Roadrunner umbrella, they weren't active long nor do they have a long history or much of a fanbase.
It isn't that cryptic as the name of the band is the name of a song you posted at the end of the movie thread, just before, so you could look at the title of that video fir the answer. That is what made me remember I was going to try and mention a band you'd never heard of one day, though 😁 so far, so good, it seems. Apologies for the immense confusion with the way I wrote it.
Amir Derakh produced and helped with vocals on their Roadrunner album, and maybe you know of him? He worked with Coal Chamber, Danzig, Spineshank, bands like that, so it feels like you might with your immense knowledge of the scene, performers, producers etc.
@Ravix I'm starting to follow, I know Amir from Coal Chamber and Spineshank, I'm sure he's worked with Chester before too. You mean Red Tape? I didn't think was an actual band, more like a project thrown together for one very small release. Something from the peer to peer days. Oh it's a promo, Radioactivist, now I understand. They are on Spofity with seven hundred monthly listeners. I only knew of the Early Sessions release, I never saw a full album until now. How did you even find that band? It had to be something obscure or knowing Roadrunner it was a game or soundtrack. Back then they understood how to release music, albums and soundtracks 'Inspired by' are like relics of the past. I've heard Stalingrad and Divebomb before, they are definitely on a videogame soundtrack. They have that 2000s skater/racer sound, like they were plucked right out of The Dudesons or something. Sacramento 1998, that really fits, I never thought I'd hear that band again. They still sound good, not too distorted, it's a shame they didn't become more widely known but they do sound rather niche. Is Punk even that popular now? Modern to me is fifteen years ago, you'd know better maybe.
Someone is listening to them, strange looking but they are getting some traction still.
@GirlVersusGame saw a cd and grabbed it based on the pop art/collage of bombs and troops, an upside down american flag (which is actually on a coffin, I think. It had very 'on the nose' imagery 😅 so it just looked like something i'd like at the time. It was a global release in big stores, but I have no idea where exactly I picked it up, I was plain taking a chance on something i'd never heard of. The joys of physical media. Although game soundtracks 'slapped' back then, as the youth say, I don't know if these would have made it into any.
I think the spirit of punk is always popular, even if the music changes, kids and teens will always rebel. I don't see punk being a genre or a group of people or a scene, but as an attitude, even though it is also those things.
I do think through the naughties; extreme sports, music tv, the fact everyone was being exposed in the media to wars and growing corperations up to no good, and also games and movies with killer soundtracks were all kind of driving people to finding all kinds of alternate music and lifestyles though, and I see that as pretty punk, and that is kind of lost now because of everything online being either homogenised, done for mindless clout, or just waves of people segregating themselves to their own dark corners and limiting themselves to what they already believe where the algorithms pump more of that to them. And that is kind of sad. I couldn't tell you anything about new music that means anything to anyone, I don't think people care any more like that. It feels like (exaggeration incoming) 90% of music now is just stuff that doesn't even mean anything to anyone and never will. It's, in large part, just an extension of the fakeness of social media, clout seeking, empty, pointless noise.
The way we discover things has probably changed, too, and you'd think the internet would make it easier to expose yourself to everything, but I think it's got to the point where companies funnel everything now, so people are even more cut off. The west and social media companies have certainly learned a lot from state controlled media tactics. Propaganda has always existed, on all sides, of course, but still, I'd imagine a lot of young people that aren't drawn in to fighting either side of the culture war will just be sick of it all, and punk kind of helps fill that gap.
Maybe we need a true punk revolution, do you think? 😁😁
@Bundersvessel Oh it's not hoarding I've seen that show on Youtube, it's more organized and industrial. With hoarding it's usually a person who went without early in life and they surround themselves with things to feel achievement or some sort. I always had things, I just didn't understand that other people didn't. Raiders of The Lost Ark is accurate. With books I'll catalogue them then have a company scan each one, each digital copy goes on my home server for travel and the hard copies mostly go to storage. Maybe at some point I'll create a shadow library on certain encrypted networks, if only for educational use. I see the lack of education as one of the main causes for poverty, especially when I travel to places where they try to hide that poverty. If the material is available people have a better chance of learning something that would otherwise price them out of education or employment. I like general philanthropy too but there's a lot of red tape. If I have to I'll take that next step, for the right reasons. It's disturbing how many people are cheated out of life by a lack of education, it's a cycle.
Books need more care, some of the collections I buy weren't always kept in the best environment, a lot of older collectors lost track of their collections. They'd simply stack everything in the hundreds and then as they aged themselves they weren't able to take care of their things or themselves. I see that often with old Occult and Esoterica material. Their families have no idea what those collections are, some might even seen a landfill. Knowing the value of such books is a kind of lost art, I see it less and less now with collector circles. Those circles react most to what's trending, not what's of real importance. Vendors either aim too low or too high, they know the price of everything but the value of nothing and I don't want to end up that way.
With VHS it's critical. The US market use cardboard cases and those disintegrate and wear out even when shelved. The UK and European regions are easier to preserve, those cases are plastic and as long as they were stored away out of the light they still retain those punchy colours. DVD is a good example of when it was done wrong, those printers used a weaker ink for mass production which means some of the original DVD lines will start to fade in colour sooner than later. I've seen it already in a lot of collections that used cardboard for their special editions. They aren't exposed to that much light, it's the weaker ink that was used by those distribution houses. They never planned ahead, it was one big race for the retail market.
For VHS I mainly focus on old horror, especially factory sealed or unreleased promos. I don't focus on the price per-say, it's more keeping them safe from wherever they might end up. That was my original thought with retro gaming until I saw the passion people have for collecting those titles so I stopped. It didn't feel right to make such a dent on those collector circles, I don't collect to have the most. It's like you said stewardship. Movies and other media were and kind of are windows to the world, I feel a kind of duty to preserve them because they gave me something priceless.
That's what one of my movie collections look like. Usually rooms with six to seven levels of shelves that then span the walls. As for the numbers I have no idea, I remember hitting thirty thousand a couple of years ago and then I thought I better slow down. When I moved to England I watched four to six per day, they helped me learn English. I still use that technique for other languages, I watch one three times in a row in one language then three times in another language, slowly that understanding builds and then it flows with my text books. Tjuz asked how I learned seven languages, movies. Tutors too but I prefer my method, it's more entertaining.
I'm not uploading singular pictures it's too big and I think a screenshot of my phone's folder gives a better idea of what I mean. Those are ones I keep for myself because they mean something. I think it's easy to throw resources at something just for the sake of it, then the person and the collection become a kind of cliche. Maybe even a stereotype, sort of like just because you can have something you go ahead and have it. I don't think things really enrich my life all that much and that's probably because I see people around me constantly depending on things to fill something. I never saw or felt that when dealing with retro game collectors or VHS collectors but for certain other things like Art, bigger items, it's frequent. There's a similar feeling with movie props especially hero/screen used. They aren't doing it for preservation they just want the novelty of having something that no one else has, that's why I stopped.
I can't say much about Art except that some of the most beautiful pieces are in private collections, growing up I thought that was normal because I was surrounded by those same collections. The same for antiques, classic vehicles etc, I didn't understand that others were being cheated out of seeing something beautiful. Then I saw that public museums were a thing and understood that division even more. They are one of the only outside places I'll still visit and when I do I share in whatever it is that other people get by seeing those work of arts in that setting. It's hard to word, sort of like if you grew up in a museum for so long that you didn't realize it wasn't the normal. I love works of art, I'm just not sure how I feel about knowing so much never sees that public sphere. More-so in the last couple of years and that's not counting plundered locations like Syria, half of their history is now in private collections. That's a part of conflict that people don't see, they assume something was destroyed when really it found it's way into a private collection. It's not something I can talk about but it's done in many parts of the world, where there is conflict there is plunder. I see it all the time, it doesn't feel right. I don't think that's preserving anything, but obviously I'd never say that offline. What I say here and what I say offline are two different things, a system like that can't be changed.
I think anchored is a good word, I understand that completely. I'm anchored too and can't elaborate but that's a similar feeling to things eventually owning you. They don't define me, but they don't always add to who I am either. Hobbies do and I have many of those. VHS is a kind of art too. Those artists are dying off, literally. Sometimes their families will put those original prints up for auction but most of the time those proof sheets are lost to history. Iconic artwork for what are now cult classics, the distributor never did anything to save them. Most of them started off selling and renting Adult entertainment, Horror was only something on the side, almost nothing was preserved. Then ratings boards/BBFC came along and seized/destroyed the rest. Worse still modern distributors are moving away from that original artwork because they think it's dated especially for 4K. Then there are all of the global variants, so few remain now.
I'm going to steal and preserve that word tidbits, I don't think I've heard it before. Are you enjoying building you modest library? I think that's why collectors do it, not the vendors who sell in bulk but actual people who have that nostalgia. It's sad to think that digital is such a threat to genuine nostalgia, maybe it will be one of those things people won't miss until it's gone. I don't think a price can be put on nostalgia, you either feel it or don't and I'd never feel nostalgic for a slab of plastic with some code on there. I would for a piece of plastic that included a sheet of paper with art that was created by a human. A box tells a story, it's tangible and recognizable. If anything digital has made it easier for me to not buy or play new games, that feeling from PS4 isn't there at all. Digital feels more sterile, it might be hard to understand this next part. If your life revolves around curated services and then one day you wake up and realize gaming, movies and others now revolve around a similar system, something is lost. I used to go to stores for physical media and while it was nerve racking (agoraphobia) I liked the challenge and the reward. Other than old bookstores that feeling is gone. I'll get hints of it in other parts of the world but not England or Europe, companies care more about selling weird merchandise than games or movies and everything is steaming.
It feels like people are only now experiencing what I'd call convenience, I've know systems like that my whole life but there were always those little openings of normality, stores etc. I'm not sure what happens to a person when all of the media they consume because so readily available. Sort of like if tomorrow you could have every game ever made, you'd have everything but the time to play them and even then you'd be lost in choice. That's how digital storefronts and streaming services feel. I missed out on real gems because they were buried under the rest, I can't imagine that not happening with a digital future and if that's the case I'm not sure what people will do to find that more tangible something. I often ask myself how many people even seen real paint anymore, obviously if you have paintings in your home but that seems rarer than I originally thought and today Furious said some movie posters are being replaced by digital displays. It's almost like finding out the world isn't what you thought it is before you had a chance to experience it. Or it's just moving too fast to catch up.
These violent delights have violent ends & in their triumph die, like fire & powder Which, as they kiss, consume.
@Ravix Extreme sports, that's the word I was trying to think of. Those were the kinds of titles that labels like Roadrunner collaborated with and I'm convinced they helped to change the shape of genres like NuMetal, without those soundtracks I'd probably not even found those bands. Tony Hawks probably helped to put so many of them on the map especially internationally.
I don't think I've ever picked up a CD based on it's artwork, that's the problem with the internet it's too easy to learn what everything is. It's extremely rare that I'll find something and not know what it is and even then there is always a six degrees of Kevin Bacon connection with most of them. Either through mixing, producing or one of the band members. I'm trying to think of the most Punky my listening has been, I keep coming back to Skunk Anansie but so much from the 2000s gets tangled up with Hardcore/PostCore/Metalcore/Emo and Screamo so I could have been listening to Punk for years and not known unless those Punk Goes Pop collections are to be trusted. I don't think I'd call Falloutboy Punk, not compared to the S-x Pistols or even The Jam, the attitude and timing is so different. With Falloutboy it would feel like I was rebelling against bedtime, whereas someone like Johnny Rotten understood what to rebel against. I can't say much for Punk in Russia, it got very caught up with the skinhead movement and that right now is where homegrown Punk is hovering. It's weaponized, but aimed at the wrong people, it's more of a tool for racism and softer targets.
I'm not sure about the naughties, it was probably very different in England? Back home it was a time of transition and change through aggression and expansion. I'm sure somewhere in the middle there was music but I imagine it was more 80's styled. My Dad was different he liked Rock, collected motorbikes etc, I found some bands by going through his records. One was The Kinks, The Jam too, I imagine he was importing things for years. Maybe that's where I get it from. The further East I go in Russia today is like going back in time, like 80's music in Vladivostok etc. They are still catching up which I understand because I'm catching up too. I definitely wasn't introduced to Punk by another person, I most likely found it through the internet. I don't even know if it's right to say but it's energy and delivery seems to compliment the working class more than the others if you know what I mean. Have you seen a movie called This is England? sort of like that, it was set during the Falklands. That could also be why I was so late to find it and even now I don't know many of those bands. There was like you said war too, I didn't know bands like Ministry were so against war until I saw them live and they made their feelings known very vocally.
Right now I'm monitoring a lot of the music coming from back home, conflict has influenced every artist I listen to. One of them (on the top of my weekly listens) he is now a soldier so all of his music has changed in theme and all of his posts are from the frontline. There are countless albums about certain units, operations and PMCs, it's the new normal. I listen because like I said it seems like to the observer that I'm onboard with that thinking. If there is another side, well I don't think they are making music. You might call it oppression, how in America you get cancelled for saying anti-gay things? Musicians get cancelled for saying anti-conflict things, it's also dangerous to take that stand. One of my favorite Russian Metal bands aren't even on Spotify anymore, they were removed after they like so many adopted that stand of supporting the State. If that were England Punk and others would spring up in response, maybe that's where those English Punk bands came from, and the American ones because of conflict/Iraq etc.
The west and social media companies have certainly learned a lot from state controlled media tactics. Propaganda has always existed, on all sides, of course, but still, I'd imagine a lot of young people that aren't drawn in to fighting either side of the culture war will just be sick of it all, and punk kind of helps fill that gap.
The music I'm listening to right now, that draws young people to war. I can't say the lyrics just that it's seen as a great operation to preserve the Homeland, it's packaged perfectly to get that response. This one right now, that guitar is shredding so hard and somewhere in the back of my mind I hear and feel that call to action. I think that's dangerous but that's exactly what it is. A couple of years ago such music would influence my entire thinking, especially when all other trains of thought are locked out.
There is no other side to it, no one saying 'don't do this', it's one hundred percent march on. I say I don't know modern music, Western yes, this music right now this is new and it gets provided weekly from home. Many CDs because 'listen to this' and because I don't have access to my Spotify accounts email I'm convinced someone sees my history through the PC App, so I'm being careful. Rebellion for me is talking to you, to Tjuz, to anyone not of that same mindset. I never even thought of it until tonight but that's probably why I can name so few Punk bands, maybe their anti-establishment standing is why they were magic'd away from me ever finding them or maybe they were a product of the time and now rebellion to most people is some nonsense social media post. If there were no social media then how would you reach people with such a message? Music, it makes perfect sense. Punk might be an endangered genre. At least as far as new bands and material is concerned. Everything I've seen (which is limited) seems softer, I don't know if that reflects on society as a whole. It might be easier to enter an echo-chamber than an amphitheater.
I think the spirit of punk is always popular, even if the music changes, kids and teens will always rebel. I don't see punk being a genre or a group of people or a scene, but as an attitude, even though it is also those things.
Is there a risk there that such an attitude gets adopted by commercialism and loses it's spark or identity? Sort of like someone wearing a band shirt of a band they don't even know. Or do you mean when someone calls another person a punk for being unruly? or like The Warriors? I'm reaching for reference points. I don't know if a person can be Emo without listening to the music, maybe they can. But if you mean the attitude of anti-establishment-arism, I think I understand.
These violent delights have violent ends & in their triumph die, like fire & powder Which, as they kiss, consume.
@GirlVersusGame yeah, totally just in attitude. It can be negatively weaponised though, as you say. But it can also be positively used to drive change.
Overall, I prefer things in general that shine a light on our own society, on our own selves in general, from books to movies, to games and music, and I see punk as usually quite liberal, but... ah i'm not going to bother getting into the rest of when it isn't.
(😸)Riot are like the only Russian example I can think of, and they are pretty liberal, i'd assume. I have absolutely no reference to them, other than knowing they exist and they are probably pretty punk and probably pretty brave.
You know of Dropkick Murphys, I know that as you posted that cover of Shipping up to Boston once. You probably know Rise Against. Anti-Flag and Rancid.
NOFX are one of my personal favourites, though. They usually have a comedy element to their songs. So yeah, some punk that isn't 70's punk you will definitely know, I guess the 90's was the real heyday for that revival, but then it got extended into the naughties and merged pop-punk which, you know, is different but born from punk (that movement was probably led by Green Day, I guess, who adapted and changed with the times and got seriously huge). I am surprised there isn't more of a punk revival now, to be honest.
@Ravix I didn't mention Meow Riot because they are in exile now, owning their material, playing it or displaying it can lead to arrest. They are seen as a highly dangerous extremist group, I think they relocated to America and I doubt they will ever return to Russia. It's too dangerous for them and their supporters. If you know what absentia means? They were convicted like so, if they return they go to jail for well over a decade for spreading false information. They were made an example of, their music too. They were seen as anti-religious and anti-government.
I wasn't aware the Dropkick Murphy's were Punk but I can see it now, their live shows were crazy. NOFX I confuse with Noisuf-X, the latter is a German industrial band, 'hit me harder hit me fast', that's them. You can imagine the kinds of places such a track is played, that's how I first heard them. That DJ knew his industrial/EBM. And Rise Against being Punk? I suppose I can see that, they do have a lot of messages in their music, I've been listening to them for years. I can't say I ever got into Green Day, I did try, they seemed like a step-up from Falloutboy but never really did anything for my ears. I think it's because they focused on a lot of Western issues like their American Idiot track and I couldn't relate. The Offspring were more accessible.
Never gets old.
That's how I found out about Hurricane Katrina years later.
Not Punk but really heavy with their message, you might know that track. I can't remember how I found them but that music video was an eye-opener and still is.
These violent delights have violent ends & in their triumph die, like fire & powder Which, as they kiss, consume.
@StitchJones I thought I was going to hear Ratt's 'nobody rides for free'. I was sure of it when I saw the art for Point Break. I thought it was Gun's n Roses for so long until the DVD had the music video.
I posted this one on the movie thread weeks ago but, Red 7 from the original Hannibal Lector movie by Michael Mann.
One from Critters, 1986 goodness.
@GirlVersusGame i'm kind of in one of those somber moods, so I posted the mark isham piece. The first time I ever saw Point break, I heard that synth piece in the movie, it plays on 3 total scenes I believe. When he surfs for the first time and wipes out and is saved by tyler, after they all go on the "stealth mission (surfing at night)" and they wake up together after making love, and at the end after he's reunited with her on the ground after the last sky dive when Bodhi says "hey Johnny! I'll see you in the next life". So yeah, 3 times. That synth piece totally mesmerizes me for some reason, it hits me right in the soul and all i think about is this movie and the first time i saw it, when life was so simple and fun. I just got done watching it again, probably for the 30th time in my life total lol. Not joking. But haven't seen it in prob 5 yrs or so. I was just going into high school when that movie came out. So much nostalgia with this movie and its music. I'm not a big hair metal guy, but that ratt track kicking in at the end after Utah is walking away saying "he's not coming back" is so freakin iconic to me and my younger years. I love that song. Thanks for posting that.
@StitchJones I well believe you watched it that many times, I'm guilty of doing the same thing with a lot of movies and they never get old. I remember first seeing Point Break years and years ago. The guy who showed me it introduced me to so many similar movies and action movies. It started with Rambo and 'it was like that when I was there', he was ex-military so every movie was 'it was like that' but a lot of it was joking especially with Point Break because I knew he'd never surfed and he said he did. we were laughing about it after. It's such a good movie, and has that sort of deep cover feeling like Donnie Brasco where you aren't sure if they are truly lost to the right side.
I hoped he was, I don't like the DEA, they waste time arresting people for selling something that naturally comes from the Earth. I think he did the right thing by letting Bodhi go, the banks money was insured by the Federal Government either way and those waves needed to be surfed. They don't make movies like that anymore, it might be Keanu Reeves best movie. I refused to watch the remake and never will, I hope most people don't know it exists. I'll have to watch the original again soon, I'm sure my girlfriend hasn't seen it and Patrick Swayze is kind of fine in it. I'm going to finally give in and watch the John Witch films soon. I found out that his puppy dies between the 14:00 and 16:30 mark so I know in advance to skip ahead. I don't think that's a spoiler, everyone else on the planet seems to have seen them already and I'd assume that's why he decides to shoot everyone for four movies. We'll see.
These violent delights have violent ends & in their triumph die, like fire & powder Which, as they kiss, consume.
Watching movies dozens of times over a long period is my thing because when I sit down I'd rather invest in something I already know is good, instead of take a chance on a movie i never saw and its bad or it gets turned off in the middle. As you said, they don't make movies like this anymore, or in general for that matter. Its hard to find newer epic movies at this anymore. Its prob Keanu's best movie I would say, but some would argue John Wick's are the best. I don't get into tabbing "GOAT" or "best movie" "best song" cause its all subjective. How can anyone label something "the GOAT" when these things are a matter of taste? its a fools errand.
For me Point Break is Keanu's best movie because of the sheer amount of nostalgia i get when i see it, or listen to its score. It would be quite selfish of me to insist its Keanu's best movie just because it has special meaning to me personally that nobody else could really understand lol right?
Since you are into the shoot em up's and revenge tales, have you seen the Equalizer trilogy with Denzel washington? They are amazing. All 3. I kind of prefer them to the Wick movies but that's just me. Again, just my taste and doesn't mean they're better haha. Swayze was such a great actor too. RIP. Taken too soon. Its ashame cause he was supposedly a really great guy from what I read. Him and his wife had a multiple decades long marriage because he didn't succumb to the celebrity lifestyle of being able to have any woman anywhere he wants. He was able to stay loyal to her for that long.
Can you imagine the sheer amount of parties, drugs, and 100's of women that would throw themselves at you if you were born Patrick Swayze? all the females melted over him. But good on him for being able to tune that out and be so devoted to his wife. It sucks he got cancer so dam young.
I'm not going to comment too much on remakes. In games its different because i love seeing old games get remade in modern graphics engines. But for movies with brand new actors/actresses, its just plain wrong. Let the legacy live on through the original and leave it alone.
Another movie I watched Prob 30 times and I'm almost ashamed cause its not decades old already like Point Break is "Interstellar". That movie.......I'm not even gonna get started lmao hahaha
@StitchJones Mine is listening to music dozens of times, I think that's one hundred and fifty hours for one piece of music? The whole CD would be twelve pieces at about forty minutes, multiplied by nine thousand and that's just one composer. Tchaikovsky would be up there too.
I had to study Vivaldi for violin lessons then again for cello, when I heard him last night on that John Wick trailer I could feel my fingers bleed again. It can happen if your strings wear out and I wore more than my strings out. It really fit the trailer. If I could have only one composer or piece of music for the rest of time it would be his Four Seasons. I'd even forsake Metal for it, if I had to. I can track Vivaldi back to every instrument I had to learn from violin to piano. He's like one big time-capsule for me.
With movies I'd watch them over and over again to learn a language, just switch to dubs or subtitles between viewings. It made learning so many languages so much easier and less stressful. It doesn't work with games but works all day with movies. You are absolutely right it is a matter of taste but I think streaming is going dictate taste for a lot of people. Unless they have prior knowledge of a back catalogue or the urge to look for themselves, I can't see it being that enriching. You'd probably struggle to find Point Break on a streaming service today.
I've seen the first Equalizer if I'm correct, he protects a girl who's being marketed etc? And I think they were Russians so I maybe didn't finish watching it the first time but eventually did. I'm sure that's the same movie. I had no idea they made two more, I liked him in Training Day. Man or Fire was incredibly relatable, very well made too. I read the book right after. I'm pretty sure he was in Fallen too, that was a very unique and underrated movie. One from it's time, there was a lot of influence from The X-Files.
Patrick Swayze is gone? Really? I wondered why I hadn't seen him in anything. I heard recently that Robin Williams was too.
Can you imagine the sheer amount of parties, drugs, and 100's of women that would throw themselves at you if you were born Patrick Swayze? all the females melted over him. But good on him for being able to tune that out and be so devoted to his wife. It sucks he got cancer so dam young.
I can but can't elaborate, other than I left that industry for similar reasons and never watched another movie for well over a year after that. All those parties and drugs lead to nothing positive, he was right to avoid that side of Hollywood. I'm just shocked he's gone, I thought someone might tell me. I don't watch the news media but he's such a well known actor. It must have been recent maybe. But you said cancer and maybe that's why no one told me, I knew someone who had it and now no one mentions that illness or 'C' word around me. That's most likely why I just found out. He really was young.
I still have to watch Interstellar, I've listened to the soundtrack so many times and probably heard it live when I went to a Hans Zimmer show. He's so good live and still on tour. I don't attend many movie/composer live shows but his stand out. So did the Royal Philharmonic Concert Orchestra Aliens Live show, that was Jame's Horner and of course the Blade Runner show, the entire Vangelis score. I saw Goblins doing the Susperia score live before too, a small handful but each was good in it's own way. I missed the first half of Ennio Morricone live, quite a few composers are touring now, they need the money, scores aren't selling like they used to. Digital/streaming is killing their revenue and royalties only go so far, it's why I still buy the CDs when I see them released. I want to see them continue their work. I'll go to American Psycho the musical next, it's back this year. Other than that it's repeats of Phantom of The Opera, I've probably attended one hundred times. It never gets old. I see it as timeless.
The trailer makes it seem tame, it's not and neither is the novel. The movie was Disney compared to the original novel, some people never finished it.
You caught me off guard with Haste the Day, I'd been thinking of their track 'stitches' because of your name. It's from their Pressure the Hinges album. They kept showing up every time I listened to Underoath or August Burns Red. They released a new single this year.
It's one week old today and they sound better than ever.
@GirlVersusGame Yes Swayze died in 2009. Out of respect for you, I won't go into the C word, or tell you too much about what happened. He was married to his wife for 34 freakin years. Since they were teenagers. The only reason it ended is because of his death. They'd still be together to this day I'm sure. They might even hold the record for one of the longest Hollywood marriages too if he was still with us, because it would be their 51st anniversary here in 2026 if he was still alive. I know he's alive to her in spirit. But it's not the same unfortunately. The anniversaries stop counting. It's just so sad. He was such a great actor and man.
Robin Williams died in 2014 by suicide. Although after watching his documentary, I learned that he suffered from something called Lewy Body Dementia. Few people knew that at the time and just labeled him depressed, or too F'd up on drugs and alcohol. His dementia is truly what led him to commit S. He didn't know what he was doing at the time. Very sad as well. I don't really care for his comedy or when he acts crazy and funny. But his serious roles are amazing movies. "good will hunting" is one of the best movies ever made just IMO. Prob top 4 faves of mine all time.
You are spot on about the Equalizer and what it's about. Man on fire was an amazing movie. Dakota Fanning was such an amazing child actress and is still great today as a grown woman. Man on fire came before the Equalizer trilogy. To me it's kind of an unofficial precursor to the Equalizer. Because they inherently share a ton of the exact same writing and directing. But he's got a totally different name in both, so why I labeled it Unofficial. The whole Equalizer trilogy is really good.
There's no doubt to me that you would love Interstellar. Its such an amazing movie. So epic in many, many different ways. Its a video game enthusiasts dream movie in a way depending on your taste in video games. No doubt you will like it.
And yes, Hans Zimmer is amazing. So is Mark Isham. Their stamp is all over so many movies its crazy, both of them. They have prob done more scores than any two artists I would guess. Every time I watch a movie I see "music by mark isham".
I love Haste the day. I haven't listened to them in ages but I'm currently resurrecting their music and in a Haste the day phase again because its been awhile. They were recommended to me by a coworker years ago. I never heard of them at the time and was like "where have you been all my life". I got into them hardcore and there was so many LP's that were already released to get caught up on. They are really good. Pressure the hinges is my fave overall album. But there's so many epic songs on the others.
Music is by far my main interest over movies and games. But I'm alot older then you and grew up on cassette tapes first. Then CD's. I still have them all. A 500 cassette tape collection and I have over 1,000 CD's lmao. My "listened to" count #'s would be enormous. I just have no idea what they are because we had no internet back then. I listen to everything digitally now, but I don't stream on anything that keeps count at all. Rush is my fave band of all time. Their albums and songs prob have crazy #'s if I were to guess. Metallica too and Iron Maiden.
Did you ever hope to yourself that when we die, whatever comes after, there are statistics you can view on yourself? How many times you actually did this, or did that, or ate this, or that. How many times you listened to this, or watched that. lmao would be cool
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