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TheBrandedSwordsman

@Voltan What sort of weird fusion stuff are you referring to? And in terms of "complex" music, do you like jazz? You say you're a musician yourself, what do you play, and for how long?

"Ten thousand toadstools, with right purchase, could lift a man, I suppose. But what good would it do?"

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nessisonett

@TheBrandedSwordsman Think I’ll have a somber listen to Party Up (Up in Here) in memorial of DMX.

Socks before or after trousers, but never socks before pants, that's the rule. Makes a man look scary, like a chicken.

Black Lives Matter. Enough is enough.

TheBrandedSwordsman

@nessisonett R.I.P .By the way, I think they used that song in an episode of King of Queens, if you've ever seen that, great use of the song.

"Ten thousand toadstools, with right purchase, could lift a man, I suppose. But what good would it do?"

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Voltan

@TheBrandedSwordsman I do like jazz but I'd rather listen to modern stuff than most classics (which I do appreciate). The "weird fusion stuff" - I very much enjoy artists who blend jazz harmony with other genres and, having grown up listening to a lot of heavy metal, I do like when they can give it a bit of that heavier edge
Sooo I guess it can be anything from classic Return To Forever to the likes of Plini, with a whole bunch of nu-jazz, neo-soul, jazz pianinsts influenced by Armenian folk music etc in between
I can post some stuff if you'd like.
For now, here's Plini:

And here's my favorite album of 2018:

As a musician, I've been playing keyboards for about 23 years now, and I've been in bands for about 18 years - it's mostly heavy metal and hard rock but I'm writing a much more complex album now, hopefully to be recorded in a few months.
Also my current side-gig is writing orchestration for a pop ballad - making a very simple song sound like it could be in a Disney movie, lol

Voltan

TheBrandedSwordsman

@Voltan Have you heard Tony Williams 'Emergency' album? or Birds of Fire by Mahavishnu Orchestra? Those both feature John McLaughlin and are about as heavy as jazz gets, there is also A Tribute to Jack Johnson by Miles Davis which features McLaughlin as well. Surely you must already know of McLaughlin if you have an interest in heavier jazz?

Edit: I listened to the Plini track, good mix of jazz and classic rock, feel free to post more!

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"Ten thousand toadstools, with right purchase, could lift a man, I suppose. But what good would it do?"

PSN: Draco_V_Ecliptic

Voltan

@TheBrandedSwordsman yeah, I got a couple Mahavishnu albums on my shelves That's about as heavy as jazz got in their day though and we're in a very different time now
I don't think I've heard that Tony Williams album - I'll check it out.

I'll post some stuff in the evening!

Voltan

Voltan

Oh, btw - this is still the best musical performance ever recorded and I'll kick yo ass* if you say otherwise:

*in online Mortal Kombat 11

Voltan

TheBrandedSwordsman

@nessisonett Where do you stand on Frank Zappa? Sorry if I've asked you before. Have you heard One Size Fits All? Highly recommended if you haven't. Brilliant jazz fusion/prog rock.

"Ten thousand toadstools, with right purchase, could lift a man, I suppose. But what good would it do?"

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nessisonett

@TheBrandedSwordsman I’ve honestly never been a big fan. My brother’s into him but that particular sound just isn’t to my tastes really.

Socks before or after trousers, but never socks before pants, that's the rule. Makes a man look scary, like a chicken.

Black Lives Matter. Enough is enough.

TheBrandedSwordsman

@Voltan Which Mahavishnu albums do you have? Looking forward to you posting more jazz-metal!

"Ten thousand toadstools, with right purchase, could lift a man, I suppose. But what good would it do?"

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Voltan

@TheBrandedSwordsman I got Birds of Fire and The Inner Mounting Flame. TBH I haven't listened to any of those in some time.
I was busy unitl late last night so I didn't post anything but I will this evening for sure.
Just finished recording some vocal harmonies in Finnish (which I don't speak and have no idea what the lyrics mean lol).

Voltan

nessisonett

@Voltan I got The Inner Mounting Flame sent by Amazon accidentally. I’d ordered a synthpop album from about 2012 😂

Socks before or after trousers, but never socks before pants, that's the rule. Makes a man look scary, like a chicken.

Black Lives Matter. Enough is enough.

TheBrandedSwordsman

@Voltan The person could have been singing about washing their underpants for all you know! How did you get the gig recording in Finnish?

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"Ten thousand toadstools, with right purchase, could lift a man, I suppose. But what good would it do?"

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Voltan

@TheBrandedSwordsman I work with some Finnish musicians in one of my bands (see below) and one of them was asked to produce a song for someone and I got "hired" to work on the arrangement... which is most of the work tbh
Anyways - that included arranging harmonies for some parts of the song and it's all in Finnish. My vocals won't be featured in the final mix though, they will record an actual singer doing the same thing

Here's that band of mine - the singer and the guitarist are Finnish, the rest are Polish. I wrote and produced this myself, btw. Also made the video (my 1st ever After Effects project) - we're all DIY like that

Also, I failed to post the jazz stuff again... I promise I'll get to it

Voltan

TheBrandedSwordsman

@Voltan Good stuff, really catchy song, heavy metal isn't it? Loved your keyboard work on the song, are you Polish yourself then? How did you meet the other guys in the band? Still looking forward to the jazz stuff!

"Ten thousand toadstools, with right purchase, could lift a man, I suppose. But what good would it do?"

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Voltan

@TheBrandedSwordsman Yeah, I'm Polish. The band started here in Warsaw a looong time ago. Long story short - when our previous singer left the band, we had trouble finding someone to fill his shoes so we decided to contact a guy we found on the internet. Later I learned he was friends with a guitarist whose work I was familiar with, so when our original guitarist quit for personal reasons, I got him join too. Remote work is nothing new for metal bands tbh

Anyways, let's get started with some Arch Echo...

Nova Collective...

And Tigran Hamasyan's wild mix of jazz piano, Armenian folk, Indian Carnatic music and even modern metal to some extent

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Voltan

TheBrandedSwordsman

@Voltan It's all great stuff but I don't know how I feel about mixing jazz and contemporary metal together, it's like the two styles are pushing in fundamentally different directions. On a side note, I have a headless Steinberger guitar like the guy in the first video, but mine has a smaller body. Headless guitars in jazz fusion started in the 70s with Allan Holdsworth and continued with bands like Paul Masvidal's Cynic. Are you a fan of either of those artists? Holdsworth had some dynamite keyboard players back in the day, especially on the album Atavachron. I think I am stuck somewhere in the 70s, bands like Mahavishnu Orchestra and some John Scofield and Bill Frisell took jazz and rock fusion as far as it could go at that time, and with the exceptions of acts like Last Exit and Frisell's work in Naked City I don't think jazz fusion works if it gets much heavier than Mahavishnu, and even though I say Naked City worked that's just because the metal of the time, 70s & 80s metal music, which they drew from throughout their career was about as far as they could get away with, mixing with jazz, and, yeah I am not so sure about djent and jazz, the creativity is there, though, the creativity is great.

Edit; Plus Naked City was overall an "experimental rock band project" and not deliberately setting out to be jazz fusion or jazz-core.

Edit 2: Nova Collective sounds a bit like a more relaxed version of Atheist on their Unquestionable Presence album ,which is excellent jazz-metal.

Edit 3: The last track was absolutely crazy, but I don't know how far we can get away with pushing the boundaries of music and still call it music, quite the mashup nonetheless.

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"Ten thousand toadstools, with right purchase, could lift a man, I suppose. But what good would it do?"

PSN: Draco_V_Ecliptic

Voltan

> it's like the two styles are pushing in fundamentally different directions

See, I don't agree. Jazz and metal are both very expressive styles of music - jazz being mostly about expression through harmony and metal being all about dynamic contrasts and strong, very defined rhythms. I think they complement each other and I love hearing them together. And I actually like it when they take it to extremes sometimes
It's all a matter of personal taste though. I was definitely a metal fan first so there's that

I am familiar with Holdsworth and Cynic - great stuff.

I do have some "softer" stuff that goes in interesting directions too.
Like... GoGo Penguin - a traditional trio at a glance (piano, bass, drums) but doing something quite unique

The drum-focused but chill music of Richard Spaven

The melodic fusion of Lydian Collective:

and as bonus: these absolutely crazy people

Voltan

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