A surge in crisis calls to suicide hotlines among LGBTQ+ people says it all really. And yet there’s a whole bunch of users here who perpetuate those attitudes while stopping short of endorsing Trump in an attempt to seem more normal than the fascist pricks they are. This will happen in the UK next election, might as well roll out the red carpet for Farage, the very worst people are emboldened and the ordinary working class haven’t seen improvements to their living conditions under the neolib party, making it very easy to pull the wool over their eyes and promise the world.
It’s all about having a compelling narrative. The conservatives have made it seem like they are the party of the working class, which will restore the economy and create jobs. This is obviously not the case. So many economists have already come out and said if these tariffs are enforced and undocumented immigrants deported, the economy of the US would be plunged into a turmoil unlike anything experienced in recent history. Let’s just hope smarter heads prevail and Trump and the senate aren’t able to get away with implementing tariffs and getting rid of income taxes. Not to mention other humanitarian crises that could be perpetrated by the Trump presidency.
Dems need to put a progressive on the ballots in future elections or risk becoming even more irrelevant and unable to advance any policies that would benefit those who are poor and vulnerable.
Wow, this is a case example on how to lose people, fearmonger like crazy about things that won't happen, act shocked when there are consequences to your own fear mongering and narratives that harm people, then throw around the word fascist at anyone you don't like.
Endorsing Trump has nothing to do with fascism lol. About as much as it does with endorsing Kamala (which might fit if fascist means "I disagree with you", a few people say "she's the real fascist", which however good or bad she is, only works if you ignore all actual meaning of words).
@LN78 Anyone who says that is lying because it’s a popular word to throw around. It flies in the dies that if you tell a lie enough times, people will believe it. Man has nothing to do with White Supremacy and his tweets don’t have such overtones unless you want them to.
Yeah, a clear joke “I’ll be a dictator for one day” as he cleverly mocks everyone who says that about him.
And somehow, no such things ever came out before he ran, some more liberal people wanted him to run even, he was in the public for ages, yet somehow this comes out right as he decided to run. Yes, Trump a secret fascist his entire life fooled everyone and then unleashed his diabolical plan to be dictator of the world.
Anywho, I don’t care to debate Trump all day, in a gaming forum I just don’t care for the blatantly insulting and uncivil and self-righteous disrespect on display for those with a different political view. In this case majority of the US population.
I don’t necessarily buy into the fear mongering, and there is every chance he could be a better choice for the working Joes, at least from a short term perspective. I can see why someone trying to make ends meet would consider voting for Donald.
But it’s the conspiracies and the lies that come with him. How can anyone bring themselves to look past that to vote for him. To be like, look, children - THIS is a leader…!
I guess every day people must just be really struggling out there.
Come on now, just because you believe it to not be so doesn't therefore mean everyone else is lying by default.
And that is 100% applicable to everything. You can't have rational debates if you already believe the one thing you want to. And that is the problem with politics. Now voters are so partisan they can't think rationally for themselves either way. Everything is a culture war, a social media war, a real war. No one can have their own opinion anymore without being labeled as one camp or another, whether it be about games, politics, sports, whatever.
Humans are bad at this s***
So, you might not be a complete t***, but a lot of people on both sides very much are.
I personally don't give a s*** either way, I just can't bring myself to it any more, but it's clear Trump is a person who lacks empathy, who enjoys riling up his more "colourful/ready for action" followers, who plays into conspiracy theories and the general idiocy of online hate mongers, and says some pretty unhinged stuff that is beggars belief.
Joe Biden was clearly losing his mind, so that probably helped the situation overall, and the fact they had to pivot to someone else, who I know nothing about so I can't really comment on them. The random church sermon videos were cringe, but at least they do represent, I guess, a value America still has?
Don't you just think that overall America deserves better representation on both sides? Running the country like a wrestling promotion just seems supremely weird.
Like, if you take a step back, is it not really weird that America now looks like a parody of itself. It's not normal. And it's creeping into UK politics too.
@Ravix the media and the way we now consume it are definitely responsible for blurring the line between politics and celebrity gossip over the past 10-15 years, that’s for sure.
@kyleforrester87 it's totally weird from the outside looking in, right? I just tried to put it in to words in a reply then, but it is so all encompassing it's hard to know how deep to go with it.
The world overall needs people to just step back and calm down and think "is this really what we want for the future generations" All the hate in politics, in our day to day lives, all the sideshow elements to keep it trending.
Social media has a lot to answer for. It has truly sped up our demise
@Ravix of course, bad news sells, so everything is always spun to a degree. And the issue is the slow burn anxiety that causes, you think you are just casually reading articles… and then one day, it’s too late. It really does have an impact, even from the more reputable sources.
That’s when I’d normally just go play video games to relax, but all the news articles are telling me my standard PS5 is redundant now
@kyleforrester87 ah, stick a stripe on it and no one will know the difference for now. Until they patch PS5 to be worse than it was, of course. Let's get our own conspiracy on the go right now
If only we could choose to upgrade all politicians, though. I'd happily donate £700 to send them all (on every side) to the moon, so the rest of us here, on the desolate wasteland called Earth, can start again from fresh without them.
I mean, if every single person in the world pitched in I think we could have a good and proper clear out of all of them before our brains completely rot into mush. And anyone who lives and breathes for the current way politics and human interactions work, well they can go to Moon Base with them and see how they get on there.
@Ravix Well, let me clarify, anyone who thoughtfully understands what a fascist is and call him one is likely lying. People do believe he is because of inflated lies posted everywhere, but they believe it ultimately because a liar wanted to sell the lie somewhere.
I do like Trump even if he’s not perfect, it again, my concern here is more the blatant insults here than actually discussing politics. I do try and remember the rules don’t really want us to dive deeply into that, I just don’t want nothing said against very uncivil behavior.
@Jaz007 Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
I'm not saying anything, but you can definitely tick off a few of those in Trump's America bingo. But you could probably look at some media outlets on the other side and line up the suppression element on them. In terms of the way they paint supporters with a wide brush.
The thing is, I honeslty believe patriotism is the dangerous thing. And I think because people don't want to see patriotism as bad, they call it fascism for ease. And facism can be hidden beneath patriotism. So maybe it doesn't have to be fascist, but the belief that one country/entity/belief system/race is better than another has led to some pretty bad things in the past, I'd say. And the problem with that is, usually a good percentage of people on all sides of the political spectrum can think that they somehow live in a country worthy of more, a country that is better, a country that you are supposed to be proud of. No one should ever be proud of a bit of dirt where they happened to be born. Only actions are worthy of pride, and countries can't take actions, they are just lines on a map.
But, like I say. I'm staying out of the facism debate as I don't want to spend time analysing him. I just think from the outside looking in he is a bit mad, a little bit old fashioned, and kind of easily led by others. And he definitely knows how to manipulate certain individuals and get them riled up on both sides, and how to effectively run a campaign.
Edit: Yeah, I believe we are being civil about it, so all is good on that front, anyway. I didn't really read what many others have said in their posts, and I didn't see where anyone was calling all Trump suporters Facist either, tbh. Mine is just an overall view from the outside looking in at both sides at each others throats, when the world really doesn't need that s*** 😅
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